Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer
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cracked_ribs
Well-Known Member
Gun control legislation is one of those interesting things where the less effect it has, the more some people seem to think they need. The failure of previous restrictions is never interpreted as an indication that the legislation doesn't work, only an indication that we need to keep going and have more restrictions.
I'm really glad that when I've gone to a doctor with a broken bone, they haven't just said "oh you have pain in your arm? Here's a painkiller. If it doesn't fix the problem, we'll just give you stronger and stronger doses because we know that pain is treated with painkillers so at some point this will have to work."
I'm really glad that when I've gone to a doctor with a broken bone, they haven't just said "oh you have pain in your arm? Here's a painkiller. If it doesn't fix the problem, we'll just give you stronger and stronger doses because we know that pain is treated with painkillers so at some point this will have to work."
I think it is good that it looks like a minority government - no matter which party runs away with running the country. Contentious issues - like gun control - will be a hard sell. I doubt it the Liberals would be able to pass more legislation on contentious issues like gun control w/o significant support from other parties. That's the "strength" of minority governments - belligerence is somewhat "tamed"...
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
In the past that has been true because the Liberals have been more of a centrist party. The Liberals and NDP have been in lock step for most of the votes in parliament these last 4 years.
Hate to say it but the only way this doesn't pass as if the Liberals decide not to pursue it after the election and maybe they won't if they calculate they have to go more right as a party.
Hate to say it but the only way this doesn't pass as if the Liberals decide not to pursue it after the election and maybe they won't if they calculate they have to go more right as a party.
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will elaborate on his plans for mass gun bans against hunters, farmers and sport shooters after parliament resumes next month, the office of his minister for confiscation said today.
Federally licensed firearm users are working to stop or avoid Trudeau’s incarceration/confiscation orders and wondering how soon they may take effect following his Oct. 21 re-election.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/24/trudeau-to-update-on-gun-bans-after-nov-20-blairs-office-says/
... the Premier has been clear on a hand gun ban. The Premier doesn’t believe in blaming law-abiding hunters and gun-owners for the crimes of gang members. He supports evidence based decisions and stands with of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/24/ontario-premier-fords-office-comments-on-trudeau-gun-bans/
Federally licensed firearm users are working to stop or avoid Trudeau’s incarceration/confiscation orders and wondering how soon they may take effect following his Oct. 21 re-election.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/24/trudeau-to-update-on-gun-bans-after-nov-20-blairs-office-says/
... the Premier has been clear on a hand gun ban. The Premier doesn’t believe in blaming law-abiding hunters and gun-owners for the crimes of gang members. He supports evidence based decisions and stands with of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/24/ontario-premier-fords-office-comments-on-trudeau-gun-bans/
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
What's coming down the pipe? A Look into CSSA’s Crystal Ball
by Tony Bernardo - CSSA Executive Director
Many (many!) firearm owners have called and written since the election asking, “What will happen next?” Here’s what we know so far, and what we foresee in the near future.
Bill C-71 will be implemented, in full, probably by the new year. This will do several things – none of them good.
First, owners of Swiss Arms Classic firearms and CZ-858 rifles will be forced to register them as “Prohibited” 12(11) and 12(14) firearms. They will be permitted to keep these guns (for now), and these firearms will have range privileges attached to their “Prohibited” designation.
Registered owners will also have grandfathering “privileges” (aka confiscation by the State when you die) added to their firearm licenses.
There may be a time lag as CFOs across Canada change Range Permits to reflect the legislative shift, i.e., a change from “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms and 12(6) handguns” to “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms, 12(6) handguns, 12(11) and 12(14) rifles.”
How long will these changes take? We don’t know, so stay tuned.
Second, anyone wishing to transfer a Non-Restricted firearm will be forced to obtain a reference number from the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC). An owner must contact the CFC, enter the Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) information for both the seller and buyer in order to obtain a reference number before a sale, loan or gift transaction may be completed.
This is a permanent record – yet the government claims they aren't bringing back a long gun registry. Right…
Third, Retailers will be forced to keep sales records, now deemed to be “government documents,” for 20 years – and must surrender them to the CFO upon demand.
Fourth, automatic Authorizations to Transport (ATT) for travel to and from clubs within the RPAL holder's province of residence for the purpose of target practice will remain as they are today. ATTs to bring a firearm home from a sale will also be automatic.
However, a new ATT will be required to take a firearm to a gun store, a gunsmith, a gun show and a border crossing. It is unknown if these will be paper or electronic ATTs.
Fifth, our elected officials, the people we elect to make our laws, will no longer be involved in firearms classifications. The RCMP has sole authority to classify firearms and there is no appeal mechanism to correct their (many) mistakes.
On October 23, 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau outlined the priorities his new government will address. Firearms issues were not among the priorities stated. However, he fell short of saying they would not be addressed.
The Public Safety Ministry has their marching orders. While their first priority will be breaking in and educating their new Minister (because Ralph Goodale lost his seat!), do not believe for a moment that the firearms file is dead, or even on the back burner. It’s not.
What’s changed is Ottawa’s power dynamic.
With the Trudeau government's new minority stature, the Liberals are dependent on other political parties to help them pass legislation. This requires some “give and take” on the part of the Liberals for most issues, but there is little hope this “give and take” will apply to the firearms file.
On this front, it will only be “take” because the NDP has long supported a ban on black rifles and handguns, as does the Green Party.
While the Bloc Québécois did not declare their position during the election, there is no evidence to support the premise Bloc Québécois will oppose Liberal gun bans.
Trudeau’s Liberal government will have plenty of support to screw over Canadians for their black rifles, and this will not stop at the AR-15.
The Liberals already stated the Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles, along with the ubiquitous SKS rifle, will be banned and confiscated. There will be many more.
With the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois complicit in Trudeau’s gun bans, their expansion to include handguns is a forgone conclusion. While citing their resistance to banning handguns during the election campaign, the Liberals will claim pressure from the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois “forced” them into it.
Trudeau will follow New Zealand’s example, so pump-action and lever action rifles and shotguns can't be far behind.
Despite Trudeau's claim he respects hunters, it’s clear these assurances were little more than lip service designed to appeal to the feeble minded.
Clearly there is no place for Canada's 2.2 million gun owners in Trudeau's confederation. But once again, CSSA will be at the head of the pack, working to protect the rights of Canada's gun owners. Stay tuned for more!
by Tony Bernardo - CSSA Executive Director
Many (many!) firearm owners have called and written since the election asking, “What will happen next?” Here’s what we know so far, and what we foresee in the near future.
Bill C-71 will be implemented, in full, probably by the new year. This will do several things – none of them good.
First, owners of Swiss Arms Classic firearms and CZ-858 rifles will be forced to register them as “Prohibited” 12(11) and 12(14) firearms. They will be permitted to keep these guns (for now), and these firearms will have range privileges attached to their “Prohibited” designation.
Registered owners will also have grandfathering “privileges” (aka confiscation by the State when you die) added to their firearm licenses.
There may be a time lag as CFOs across Canada change Range Permits to reflect the legislative shift, i.e., a change from “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms and 12(6) handguns” to “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms, 12(6) handguns, 12(11) and 12(14) rifles.”
How long will these changes take? We don’t know, so stay tuned.
Second, anyone wishing to transfer a Non-Restricted firearm will be forced to obtain a reference number from the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC). An owner must contact the CFC, enter the Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) information for both the seller and buyer in order to obtain a reference number before a sale, loan or gift transaction may be completed.
This is a permanent record – yet the government claims they aren't bringing back a long gun registry. Right…
Third, Retailers will be forced to keep sales records, now deemed to be “government documents,” for 20 years – and must surrender them to the CFO upon demand.
Fourth, automatic Authorizations to Transport (ATT) for travel to and from clubs within the RPAL holder's province of residence for the purpose of target practice will remain as they are today. ATTs to bring a firearm home from a sale will also be automatic.
However, a new ATT will be required to take a firearm to a gun store, a gunsmith, a gun show and a border crossing. It is unknown if these will be paper or electronic ATTs.
Fifth, our elected officials, the people we elect to make our laws, will no longer be involved in firearms classifications. The RCMP has sole authority to classify firearms and there is no appeal mechanism to correct their (many) mistakes.
On October 23, 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau outlined the priorities his new government will address. Firearms issues were not among the priorities stated. However, he fell short of saying they would not be addressed.
The Public Safety Ministry has their marching orders. While their first priority will be breaking in and educating their new Minister (because Ralph Goodale lost his seat!), do not believe for a moment that the firearms file is dead, or even on the back burner. It’s not.
What’s changed is Ottawa’s power dynamic.
With the Trudeau government's new minority stature, the Liberals are dependent on other political parties to help them pass legislation. This requires some “give and take” on the part of the Liberals for most issues, but there is little hope this “give and take” will apply to the firearms file.
On this front, it will only be “take” because the NDP has long supported a ban on black rifles and handguns, as does the Green Party.
While the Bloc Québécois did not declare their position during the election, there is no evidence to support the premise Bloc Québécois will oppose Liberal gun bans.
Trudeau’s Liberal government will have plenty of support to screw over Canadians for their black rifles, and this will not stop at the AR-15.
The Liberals already stated the Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles, along with the ubiquitous SKS rifle, will be banned and confiscated. There will be many more.
With the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois complicit in Trudeau’s gun bans, their expansion to include handguns is a forgone conclusion. While citing their resistance to banning handguns during the election campaign, the Liberals will claim pressure from the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois “forced” them into it.
Trudeau will follow New Zealand’s example, so pump-action and lever action rifles and shotguns can't be far behind.
Despite Trudeau's claim he respects hunters, it’s clear these assurances were little more than lip service designed to appeal to the feeble minded.
Clearly there is no place for Canada's 2.2 million gun owners in Trudeau's confederation. But once again, CSSA will be at the head of the pack, working to protect the rights of Canada's gun owners. Stay tuned for more!
Times are a changing. The longer I live in Canada the less I want to live in Canada. Common sense has gone away. ***** about killing a deer while eating a steak has taken over. Lets change rd names and now school names, take down statues and soon there will be names we will not be allowed to speak, all for something someone did years and lifetimes ago. Not even commenting on the few who are exempt or our soon to be extinct passion of rec fishing. The real nutbars are the Trudeaus and his dumbed down followers. Making no sense.....
HM
HM
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
This isn't about gun control. Be honest, it's disdain for guns and gun owners
New Liberal changes will disarm law-abiding, non-violent Canadians. That's the goal. It always has been
Canadian progressives see themselves, in contrast to conservatives, as being swayed by evidence. Best practices. Data. Last summer, a long-running Canadian public policy debate was turned on its head by new information. The new data reshaped national and local debates in Canada — we saw this again in the recent Throne Speech by the governor-general.
The new information was wrong.
It related to gun control. Gang-related violence has surged in Canada in recent years. Much of the violence involves firearms. Where the gangs get their guns is a matter of obvious concern. If Canadian criminals are getting their guns from legal Canadian sources, that indicates that our gun control laws are insufficient. If they’re getting them from external sources — primarily smuggling from the United States, which is awash in guns — then it’s not a gun control problem, and changing our gun control laws won’t help.
Data and police experience had long shown that Canadian crime gangs were arming themselves with guns sourced to the U.S., sold here at massive markups. But in the summer of 2018, The Canadian Press wire service ran a story that told the public that this long-observed trend was no longer true. It reported that the number of crime guns that were sourced in Canada had “surged dramatically,” according to a detective with the Toronto police, and that Canadian guns were now roughly equal with smuggled American guns on Toronto’s streets — basically a 50-50 split.
It was a major shift in the old debate, and really did suggest that Canada’s generally tight gun laws weren’t tight enough. It had an immediate and obvious impact on elected officials. Municipal politicians in Toronto, Montreal and elsewhere seized on the stat, demanding a national ban on handguns (handguns are tightly controlled in Canada, but can be purchased by some individuals, who have passed various background checks and comply with numerous regulations). The NDP has said it would ban handguns. The Liberals haven’t gone quite that far, saying that they would give local jurisdictions the ability to impose their own bans, but would not ban them nationally.
The Canadian Press story was wrong. It didn’t take long for the single-source’s central claim to be completely discredited. The Toronto Police Service’s own internal information, obtained via freedom of information requests, showed no “dramatic surge” in legally owned Canadian guns being used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes have their serial numbers destroyed and cannot be traced. Of those that could be traced, the Toronto data actually showed the number of guns being traced back to Canadian owners was, with some annual variation, trending down over time.
Almost exactly a year ago, several months after the first article, The Canadian Press interviewed a different Toronto cop who confirmed that handguns used in crime in Toronto, and that can be traced, are still mostly traced back to the U.S. In a year-end press conference on Friday, Toronto police chief Mark Saunders confirmed that remains true, with updated figures — a whopping 82 per cent of traceable guns used by criminals in Toronto have been smuggled in from the U.S.
But the focus on legal guns continues. That might have made sense if it really was a 50-50 split. But it’s not, and never was or has been. The evidence continues to be that the recent spike of gang-related shootings in our major cities is being sustained by guns from the U.S., but the Liberals want to spend hundreds of millions buying back rifles (including tens of thousands of mundane hunting rifles) and further restricting legal handgun ownership.
The progressive dislike of handguns and certain kinds of rifles in Canada isn’t a public policy issue. It’s an ideological preference. Millions of Canadians do not understand how tight our laws already are, how they could be reasonably improved, have no interest in shooting sports and cannot fathom why anyone would feel differently. They’d rather live in a country with fewer guns. For a brief moment last year, there was a news story that gave their cause ammunition, but even when that story was completely debunked, the focus on legal guns remained. This isn’t about gun control. It’s dislike for guns and gun owners.
That’s fine. We’re all entitled to our views. But it’s important we be honest. The changes the Liberals will soon bring down will cost hundreds of millions of tax dollars, anger and inconvenience thousands of citizens and devastate a thriving sports shooting industry, but won’t stop the shootings in our cities, or, Canadian data suggests, reduce suicides. It’ll just disarm law-abiding, non-violent Canadians. That’s the goal. It always has been.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ma...be-honest-its-disdain-for-guns-and-gun-owners
Yep.
Nog
New Liberal changes will disarm law-abiding, non-violent Canadians. That's the goal. It always has been
Canadian progressives see themselves, in contrast to conservatives, as being swayed by evidence. Best practices. Data. Last summer, a long-running Canadian public policy debate was turned on its head by new information. The new data reshaped national and local debates in Canada — we saw this again in the recent Throne Speech by the governor-general.
The new information was wrong.
It related to gun control. Gang-related violence has surged in Canada in recent years. Much of the violence involves firearms. Where the gangs get their guns is a matter of obvious concern. If Canadian criminals are getting their guns from legal Canadian sources, that indicates that our gun control laws are insufficient. If they’re getting them from external sources — primarily smuggling from the United States, which is awash in guns — then it’s not a gun control problem, and changing our gun control laws won’t help.
Data and police experience had long shown that Canadian crime gangs were arming themselves with guns sourced to the U.S., sold here at massive markups. But in the summer of 2018, The Canadian Press wire service ran a story that told the public that this long-observed trend was no longer true. It reported that the number of crime guns that were sourced in Canada had “surged dramatically,” according to a detective with the Toronto police, and that Canadian guns were now roughly equal with smuggled American guns on Toronto’s streets — basically a 50-50 split.
It was a major shift in the old debate, and really did suggest that Canada’s generally tight gun laws weren’t tight enough. It had an immediate and obvious impact on elected officials. Municipal politicians in Toronto, Montreal and elsewhere seized on the stat, demanding a national ban on handguns (handguns are tightly controlled in Canada, but can be purchased by some individuals, who have passed various background checks and comply with numerous regulations). The NDP has said it would ban handguns. The Liberals haven’t gone quite that far, saying that they would give local jurisdictions the ability to impose their own bans, but would not ban them nationally.
The Canadian Press story was wrong. It didn’t take long for the single-source’s central claim to be completely discredited. The Toronto Police Service’s own internal information, obtained via freedom of information requests, showed no “dramatic surge” in legally owned Canadian guns being used in crimes. Most guns used in crimes have their serial numbers destroyed and cannot be traced. Of those that could be traced, the Toronto data actually showed the number of guns being traced back to Canadian owners was, with some annual variation, trending down over time.
Almost exactly a year ago, several months after the first article, The Canadian Press interviewed a different Toronto cop who confirmed that handguns used in crime in Toronto, and that can be traced, are still mostly traced back to the U.S. In a year-end press conference on Friday, Toronto police chief Mark Saunders confirmed that remains true, with updated figures — a whopping 82 per cent of traceable guns used by criminals in Toronto have been smuggled in from the U.S.
But the focus on legal guns continues. That might have made sense if it really was a 50-50 split. But it’s not, and never was or has been. The evidence continues to be that the recent spike of gang-related shootings in our major cities is being sustained by guns from the U.S., but the Liberals want to spend hundreds of millions buying back rifles (including tens of thousands of mundane hunting rifles) and further restricting legal handgun ownership.
The progressive dislike of handguns and certain kinds of rifles in Canada isn’t a public policy issue. It’s an ideological preference. Millions of Canadians do not understand how tight our laws already are, how they could be reasonably improved, have no interest in shooting sports and cannot fathom why anyone would feel differently. They’d rather live in a country with fewer guns. For a brief moment last year, there was a news story that gave their cause ammunition, but even when that story was completely debunked, the focus on legal guns remained. This isn’t about gun control. It’s dislike for guns and gun owners.
That’s fine. We’re all entitled to our views. But it’s important we be honest. The changes the Liberals will soon bring down will cost hundreds of millions of tax dollars, anger and inconvenience thousands of citizens and devastate a thriving sports shooting industry, but won’t stop the shootings in our cities, or, Canadian data suggests, reduce suicides. It’ll just disarm law-abiding, non-violent Canadians. That’s the goal. It always has been.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ma...be-honest-its-disdain-for-guns-and-gun-owners
Yep.
Nog
My suspicion is the number of "criminals" in Canada will INCREASE exponentially very soon. Probably shortly after Bill C-71 become law and the gun grabbers come a knocking on door to "collect" legal property that our famous leader says looks "ugly".
The writing is on the wall, my passions are severely getting reduced in Canada, C&R salmon seasons, SRKW BS, Management of severely reduced wildlife numbers by emotion, MPA's on their way, manage hali to less and less TAC, no yelloweye, salmon farms, Carbon Tax increases and on and on. Canadians are getting dumber faster.
For the first time in 35 years I am not a Canadian property owner, (sold all), and seeing less and less reasons to be. Wonder what a small 2000 acre ranch in Namibia, SA, "or" costs and monthly cashflow required to live happily is? Will find out June-Aug.
HM
The writing is on the wall, my passions are severely getting reduced in Canada, C&R salmon seasons, SRKW BS, Management of severely reduced wildlife numbers by emotion, MPA's on their way, manage hali to less and less TAC, no yelloweye, salmon farms, Carbon Tax increases and on and on. Canadians are getting dumber faster.
For the first time in 35 years I am not a Canadian property owner, (sold all), and seeing less and less reasons to be. Wonder what a small 2000 acre ranch in Namibia, SA, "or" costs and monthly cashflow required to live happily is? Will find out June-Aug.
HM
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Totally Agree Halimark!
Doesn't help when our Liberal financed mouthpieces (CBC in this case) totally ignore all the latest facts & figures, twist the TO Police Chiefs words into non-recognition of what he actually stated, and carry on with the old tired and proven wrong propaganda in order to further their boss's ongoing anti-firearm agenda. The news clip last night was beyond fantasy-land! Unfortunately the Sheeple in TO and Quebec eat it right up as gospel.
For anyone with an interest in reality, check the following two articles:
This TO Police Chief has publicly stated several times that firearm bans will not effect gun crime rates. In this article he notes that over 80% of firearms used in crimes have been determined to be of illegal US origin. He does however fail to note that of the balance remaining, almost none of them could be traced to origin (also likely US origin).
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk...toronto-come-from-the-u-s-saunders-1.10361296
This article well indicates just how much the Liberals, and their pet media, are willing to twist the facts (lie) to suit their own narrative:
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/towhey-new-crime-data-contradicts-government-gun-plans
Now compare that against what the CBC spewed last night, and you can hardly help but grasp what is going on here.
Troubling times when our so-called Leaders are willing to repeatedly lie and stomp their feet to get their own way.
And compounding that is the willingness of the media to jump in swinging whenever those liars call on them to do so...
Nog
Doesn't help when our Liberal financed mouthpieces (CBC in this case) totally ignore all the latest facts & figures, twist the TO Police Chiefs words into non-recognition of what he actually stated, and carry on with the old tired and proven wrong propaganda in order to further their boss's ongoing anti-firearm agenda. The news clip last night was beyond fantasy-land! Unfortunately the Sheeple in TO and Quebec eat it right up as gospel.
For anyone with an interest in reality, check the following two articles:
This TO Police Chief has publicly stated several times that firearm bans will not effect gun crime rates. In this article he notes that over 80% of firearms used in crimes have been determined to be of illegal US origin. He does however fail to note that of the balance remaining, almost none of them could be traced to origin (also likely US origin).
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk...toronto-come-from-the-u-s-saunders-1.10361296
This article well indicates just how much the Liberals, and their pet media, are willing to twist the facts (lie) to suit their own narrative:
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/towhey-new-crime-data-contradicts-government-gun-plans
Now compare that against what the CBC spewed last night, and you can hardly help but grasp what is going on here.
Troubling times when our so-called Leaders are willing to repeatedly lie and stomp their feet to get their own way.
And compounding that is the willingness of the media to jump in swinging whenever those liars call on them to do so...
Nog
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
More nonsense from the Chief Liar:
Trudeau says he won't let resistant premiers scuttle municipal handgun ban
Liberals say they would prefer collaboration with provinces, but can use 'other tools' to empower cities
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tr...miers-scuttle-municipal-handgun-ban-1.5405858
Still often wonder if he is on glue...
Trudeau says he won't let resistant premiers scuttle municipal handgun ban
Liberals say they would prefer collaboration with provinces, but can use 'other tools' to empower cities
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tr...miers-scuttle-municipal-handgun-ban-1.5405858
Still often wonder if he is on glue...
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
PM knows banning handguns won’t work
The Trudeau government knows that banning handguns won’t work.
As a paper released by Public Safety Canada in April titled A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault Weapons noted:
“The vast majority of owners of handguns and of other firearms in Canada lawfully abide by requirements and most guns crimes are not committed with legally-owned firearms … Any ban of handguns … would primarily affect legal firearms owners …”
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-pm-knows-banning-handguns-wont-work
The Trudeau government knows that banning handguns won’t work.
As a paper released by Public Safety Canada in April titled A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault Weapons noted:
“The vast majority of owners of handguns and of other firearms in Canada lawfully abide by requirements and most guns crimes are not committed with legally-owned firearms … Any ban of handguns … would primarily affect legal firearms owners …”
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-pm-knows-banning-handguns-wont-work
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
“I guess the issue that will have to be reconciled is that with the shootings we’re having in Calgary, they’re not being perpetrated by lawful, law-abiding handgun owners . . . They’re saying, ‘why should we be punished when it isn’t us that’s out there creating the problem?’ And they’re right about that.”
https://calgaryherald.com/news/loca...p-priorities-for-police-in-2020-chief-neufeld
https://calgaryherald.com/news/loca...p-priorities-for-police-in-2020-chief-neufeld
RCMP New Report Undermines Trudeau’s Planned Gun Confiscations
https://thegunblog.ca/2020/01/23/rcmp-new-report-undermines-trudeaus-planned-gun-confiscations/
https://thegunblog.ca/2020/01/23/rcmp-new-report-undermines-trudeaus-planned-gun-confiscations/
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
LILLEY: Trudeau targets hunters with gun bill changes that assault Canadian heritage
It won't stop crime but that's not the point, Trudeau's Liberals are targeting hunters and farmers, not criminals.
ship happens
Crew Member
LILLEY: Trudeau targets hunters with gun bill changes that assault Canadian heritage
It won't stop crime but that's not the point, Trudeau's Liberals are targeting hunters and farmers, not criminals.torontosun.com
WTF
Corey_lax
Crew Member
I didn't see those car jackers in Coquitlam with any hunting rifles. Just another thing to screw over honest law abiding citizens. What a joke.
That article mentions buy back of the guns, but I thought I read another article that said they weren't buying back. Not that really anyone did the buyback, the AR's are tucked away safely at home collecting dust.
That article mentions buy back of the guns, but I thought I read another article that said they weren't buying back. Not that really anyone did the buyback, the AR's are tucked away safely at home collecting dust.
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
THIS IS A RED ALERT FOR ALL CANADIAN GUN OWNERS!
BREAKING - New Massive Long Gun Bans Brought by the Liberal\NDP\Bloc Coalition
Today the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government broke the glass on a typical Liberal distraction tool – gun bans. With Canadians reeling from a failed economy, tripling of taxes looming, 1.5M Canadians using foodbanks, hospitals overwhelmed with sick children who can’t even get Tylenol, Chinese interference in elections and of course a terrible showing at the Public Order Emergency Commission, the Liberals needed the media and Canadians in general talking about something other than their failures.
On behalf of this coalition, the Liberals added a disastrous amendment to Bill C-21 effectively prohibiting several million additional, individual rifles and shotguns. These new prohibitions will include:
SKS
IWI Tavor & X-95
all AR180 and variants
Canuck bullpup shotguns
Crusader Arms
Kel-Tec Sub2000 (and others)
JR Carbine
Kriss Vector
Ruger PC Carbine
GSG 16
GSG 15
Norinco T97 NSR
Benelli MR1
Benelli M4
all B&T models
countless others
Bill C-21 also now prohibits ALL CENTERFIRE SEMI-AUTOMATIC firearms with removable magazines.
Back in 2020, the Liberals banned over 2000 models and variants of hunting and sporting guns commonly owned and used safely by gun owners across the country. They said gun owners would be compensated for this loss and were welcome to purchase other guns as replacements…now, they’ve come for the rest of them. This is why nobody can trust a word these people say. But hey conspiracy theorists – they’re not “coming for your guns”.
So take notice Canada, yes they are, and it doesn’t matter what they told you yesterday or what they tell you tomorrow.
Ther Full List is now 478 pages long... https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf
BREAKING - New Massive Long Gun Bans Brought by the Liberal\NDP\Bloc Coalition
Today the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government broke the glass on a typical Liberal distraction tool – gun bans. With Canadians reeling from a failed economy, tripling of taxes looming, 1.5M Canadians using foodbanks, hospitals overwhelmed with sick children who can’t even get Tylenol, Chinese interference in elections and of course a terrible showing at the Public Order Emergency Commission, the Liberals needed the media and Canadians in general talking about something other than their failures.
On behalf of this coalition, the Liberals added a disastrous amendment to Bill C-21 effectively prohibiting several million additional, individual rifles and shotguns. These new prohibitions will include:
SKS
IWI Tavor & X-95
all AR180 and variants
Canuck bullpup shotguns
Crusader Arms
Kel-Tec Sub2000 (and others)
JR Carbine
Kriss Vector
Ruger PC Carbine
GSG 16
GSG 15
Norinco T97 NSR
Benelli MR1
Benelli M4
all B&T models
countless others
Bill C-21 also now prohibits ALL CENTERFIRE SEMI-AUTOMATIC firearms with removable magazines.
Back in 2020, the Liberals banned over 2000 models and variants of hunting and sporting guns commonly owned and used safely by gun owners across the country. They said gun owners would be compensated for this loss and were welcome to purchase other guns as replacements…now, they’ve come for the rest of them. This is why nobody can trust a word these people say. But hey conspiracy theorists – they’re not “coming for your guns”.
So take notice Canada, yes they are, and it doesn’t matter what they told you yesterday or what they tell you tomorrow.
Ther Full List is now 478 pages long... https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf
