Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer
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Although widely touted by the liberals that these measures were / are supported by the vast majority of Canadians, their own findings beg to differ:
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Engagement Summary Report - Reducing Violent Crime: A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault-Style Firearms
Engagement Summary Report - Reducing Violent Crime: A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault-Style Firearms
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Take Action Against Canada’s Gun Confiscation Bill
The debate over Canada’s gun confiscation bill, C-21, was abruptly ended in early May when the federal government passed a motion to restrict parliamentary and committee debate on the proposed gun bill.
Bill C-21 subsequently passed a vote in the House of Commons and will now move to the Senate to debate.
Bill C-21 was known as the “Handgun Bill," and after October 2022, handguns can no longer be imported, sold, or transferred in Canada. Then, in November 2022, the federal government introduced two completely unexpected amendments to Bill C-21, which prohibited 514 guns plus variants.
The bottom line: these amendments are meant to ban hunting firearms and antiques. The amendments were withdrawn by the federal government; however, if Bill C-21 passes the Senate and becomes law, the federal government can ban those same hunting firearms via an Order in Council.
In 2021, the use of legally owned firearms represented 0.2% of all violent crimes involving a firearm, yet the government’s prohibitions on firearms are aimed at lawful firearm owners.
Please contact the Members of the Senate and respectfully ask them to vote against Bill C-21.
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Howl For Wildlife
Take Action Against Canada’s Gun Confiscation Bill
The debate over Canada’s gun confiscation bill, C-21, was abruptly ended in early May when the federal government passed a motion to restrict parliamentary and committee debate on the proposed gun bill.
Bill C-21 subsequently passed a vote in the House of Commons and will now move to the Senate to debate.
Bill C-21 was known as the “Handgun Bill," and after October 2022, handguns can no longer be imported, sold, or transferred in Canada. Then, in November 2022, the federal government introduced two completely unexpected amendments to Bill C-21, which prohibited 514 guns plus variants.
The bottom line: these amendments are meant to ban hunting firearms and antiques. The amendments were withdrawn by the federal government; however, if Bill C-21 passes the Senate and becomes law, the federal government can ban those same hunting firearms via an Order in Council.
In 2021, the use of legally owned firearms represented 0.2% of all violent crimes involving a firearm, yet the government’s prohibitions on firearms are aimed at lawful firearm owners.
Please contact the Members of the Senate and respectfully ask them to vote against Bill C-21.
Take Action Against Canada’s Gun Confiscation Bill
The debate over Canada’s gun confiscation bill, C-21, was abruptly ended in early May when the federal government passed a motion to restrict parliamentary and committee debate on the proposed gun bill. Bill C-21 subsequently passed a vote in the House of Commons and will now move to the Senate...
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Thanks Nog for this and your dedication for the truth.
Turdo and his little turds and all of the ones who follow him around the bowl,have fouled a great country, may they all be flushed away soon.
Turdo and his little turds and all of the ones who follow him around the bowl,have fouled a great country, may they all be flushed away soon.
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More Mendicino Meddling:
'Unmitigated gall': Senator rejects minister's call to pass Liberal guns bill quickly
OTTAWA - A battle appears to be brewing between senators and Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, as he tries to see the Liberals' controversial gun legislation passed swiftly into law.
On Thursday, his office sent a letter to leaders of the different Senate groups and the chair of a committee, saying the minister is "eager" answer senators' questions about Bill C-21 "given the urgency of passing legislation to protect Canadians."
The letter comes with less than a month left before the House of Commons and Senate plan to break for summer, with the Liberals branding the legislation as a priority bill that it wants passed into law within weeks.
The bill seeks to turn a national handgun freeze into law, combat homemade guns and ban what it calls "assault-style" weapons -- measures Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised in what critics say is a misplaced effort to combat gun violence.
Conservative Senate leader Don Plett accused Mendicino on Thursday of having "unmitigated gall" in asking senators to hurry when MPs spent months studying the bill before it passed in the House of Commons.
Plett said he plans to vote against the bill as it is currently written and try to block it from passing, saying he feels it punishes firearms users like sport shooters and is doubtful that it could be a bill he finds himself supporting -- even if the Senate amends it.
"Somehow he expects that we are not supposed to give it sober second thought and indeed some kind of a vetting," said Plett.
"He basically says, 'I've looked at the bill, I say it's good, so give it your rubber stamp and let's move on with things.' Well, that's not how the Senate works."
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'Unmitigated gall': Senator rejects minister's call to pass Liberal guns bill quickly
OTTAWA - A battle appears to be brewing between senators and Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, as he tries to see the Liberals' controversial gun legislation passed swiftly into law.
On Thursday, his office sent a letter to leaders of the different Senate groups and the chair of a committee, saying the minister is "eager" answer senators' questions about Bill C-21 "given the urgency of passing legislation to protect Canadians."
The letter comes with less than a month left before the House of Commons and Senate plan to break for summer, with the Liberals branding the legislation as a priority bill that it wants passed into law within weeks.
The bill seeks to turn a national handgun freeze into law, combat homemade guns and ban what it calls "assault-style" weapons -- measures Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised in what critics say is a misplaced effort to combat gun violence.
Conservative Senate leader Don Plett accused Mendicino on Thursday of having "unmitigated gall" in asking senators to hurry when MPs spent months studying the bill before it passed in the House of Commons.
Plett said he plans to vote against the bill as it is currently written and try to block it from passing, saying he feels it punishes firearms users like sport shooters and is doubtful that it could be a bill he finds himself supporting -- even if the Senate amends it.
"Somehow he expects that we are not supposed to give it sober second thought and indeed some kind of a vetting," said Plett.
"He basically says, 'I've looked at the bill, I say it's good, so give it your rubber stamp and let's move on with things.' Well, that's not how the Senate works."
'Unmitigated gall': Senator rejects minister's call to pass Liberal guns bill quickly
A battle appears to be brewing between senators and Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, as he tries to see the Liberals' controversial gun legislation passed swiftly into law.
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Professors, gun policy experts urge government to scrap 'flawed' Bill C-21
The group says the bill won't address the root causes of gun violence, or stop the flow of illegal guns coming into CanadaAs Canada’s controversial gun control legislation undergoes consideration in the Senate, a group of professors, researchers and firearms policy experts say Bill C-21 will do little to combat violent crime and may even do more harm than good.
The letter — addressed to the prime minister, the leaders of all major federal parties, current Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino and members of the house public safety committee — claims the bill contradicts existing evidence on the effectiveness of gun control, and will do little to reduce violent crime in Canada’s cities.
Noah Schwartz, assistant political science professor at the University of the Fraser Valley and the letter’s author, told the National Post he’s hoping to convince senators to make some “fairly substantial” amendments to C-21 to refocus the bill toward public safety.
“The bill, as it stands, doesn’t really address major public safety concerns,” he said.
“There are parts of it that are wasteful, and that are actually harmful to some of the communities in Canada, especially in rural and remote areas.”
“The existing system works very, very well,” Schwartz said.
“Several organizations, including women’s groups and the Canadian Bar Association have said the existing laws are ‘sufficient and preferable to the proposed changes.'”
Professors, gun policy experts urge government to scrap 'flawed' Bill C-21
A letter addressed to the government maintains that the gun reform bill won't address the root causes of gun violence.
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New Zealand’s gun buyback suggests Ottawa’s won’t work
In May 2020, the federal government announced a ban on 1,500 types of what it called “assault-style” firearms. As part of this ban, it has promised to provide “fair compensation” to gun owners whose firearms it confiscates.
The ban’s aim is to keep Canadians safe. “Enough is enough,” said then-minister of public safety Bill Blair. “Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives.” But will this scheme actually make Canadians safer? And what will it cost? The government of New Zealand recently completed its own gun ban and buyback. It provides a good case study of the effects such a program can have.
Like Canada, New Zealand has a substantial number of firearms and firearms owners: 26.3 firearms per 100 persons, compared to Canada’s 34.7. In 2019, in response to a tragic mass shooting in Christchurch, the government banned certain guns and implemented a buyback. Unlike Ottawa, however, which has focused its ban on specific “assault-style” firearms, New Zealand banned almost all semi-automatic firearms.
The buyback ran from June to December 2019 and involved confiscation of over 60,000 firearms, though New Zealand police have estimated the total number of prohibited firearms in the country might be as many as 240,000. The buyback wasn’t cheap. The government initially budgeted $16 million (in C$) for the administrative costs of the program. In the end, the country’s auditor general found, costs had almost doubled, to about $31 million. But that was just for administration. The cost of compensating gun owners was about $106 million, which works out to a per firearm price of about $1,800. Those numbers are for a country with a population of just over five million — one-eighth ours.
After the guns were bought and removed from the hands of New Zealanders, what happened to gun crime? Violent gun crime actually went up. During the decade before the buyback violent firearm offences averaged 932 a year. In 2019, the year of the buyback, there were 1,142 offences; in 2020, 1,156; in 2021, 1,338; and last year, 1,444. That’s up almost 55 per cent over the pre-ban decade. New Zealanders evidently did not become safer because the government took away firearms from law-abiding gun owners.
This confirms the suspicions of many Canadian experts. The National Police Federation, the union that represents the RCMP, says Ottawa’s buyback is costly legislation that does not address current or urgent threats to public safety. “In fact,” the union says, “it diverts extremely important personnel, resources, and funding away from addressing the more immediate and growing threat of criminal use of illegal firearms.”
What’s the likely cost of Ottawa’s buyback? In 2019, the government said it would be $200 million. But history and independent estimates suggest a much higher bill than that. The last major gun control program in Canada was the long-gun registry. The government initially promised it would only cost $2 million. The final tab was over $2 billion.
The Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that just confiscating the guns, not including any associated administrative costs, would leave taxpayers on the hook for up to $756 million. In 2022, the government had already spent $3.7 million on the buyback — even before confiscating a single gun.
In April, Ottawa announced it will be implementing the first stage of the program, buying banned guns from retailers. Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), which is working with the federal government on this part of the buyback, estimates the cost will be in the billions of dollars.
New Zealand’s experience shows gun buybacks don’t reduce gun crime. The federal government shouldn’t be wasting taxpayer dollars on an expensive program that is unlikely to work. Ottawa needs to scrap the gun ban and buyback. There are better ways to fight crime.
financialpost.com
In May 2020, the federal government announced a ban on 1,500 types of what it called “assault-style” firearms. As part of this ban, it has promised to provide “fair compensation” to gun owners whose firearms it confiscates.
The ban’s aim is to keep Canadians safe. “Enough is enough,” said then-minister of public safety Bill Blair. “Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives.” But will this scheme actually make Canadians safer? And what will it cost? The government of New Zealand recently completed its own gun ban and buyback. It provides a good case study of the effects such a program can have.
Like Canada, New Zealand has a substantial number of firearms and firearms owners: 26.3 firearms per 100 persons, compared to Canada’s 34.7. In 2019, in response to a tragic mass shooting in Christchurch, the government banned certain guns and implemented a buyback. Unlike Ottawa, however, which has focused its ban on specific “assault-style” firearms, New Zealand banned almost all semi-automatic firearms.
The buyback ran from June to December 2019 and involved confiscation of over 60,000 firearms, though New Zealand police have estimated the total number of prohibited firearms in the country might be as many as 240,000. The buyback wasn’t cheap. The government initially budgeted $16 million (in C$) for the administrative costs of the program. In the end, the country’s auditor general found, costs had almost doubled, to about $31 million. But that was just for administration. The cost of compensating gun owners was about $106 million, which works out to a per firearm price of about $1,800. Those numbers are for a country with a population of just over five million — one-eighth ours.
After the guns were bought and removed from the hands of New Zealanders, what happened to gun crime? Violent gun crime actually went up. During the decade before the buyback violent firearm offences averaged 932 a year. In 2019, the year of the buyback, there were 1,142 offences; in 2020, 1,156; in 2021, 1,338; and last year, 1,444. That’s up almost 55 per cent over the pre-ban decade. New Zealanders evidently did not become safer because the government took away firearms from law-abiding gun owners.
This confirms the suspicions of many Canadian experts. The National Police Federation, the union that represents the RCMP, says Ottawa’s buyback is costly legislation that does not address current or urgent threats to public safety. “In fact,” the union says, “it diverts extremely important personnel, resources, and funding away from addressing the more immediate and growing threat of criminal use of illegal firearms.”
What’s the likely cost of Ottawa’s buyback? In 2019, the government said it would be $200 million. But history and independent estimates suggest a much higher bill than that. The last major gun control program in Canada was the long-gun registry. The government initially promised it would only cost $2 million. The final tab was over $2 billion.
The Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that just confiscating the guns, not including any associated administrative costs, would leave taxpayers on the hook for up to $756 million. In 2022, the government had already spent $3.7 million on the buyback — even before confiscating a single gun.
In April, Ottawa announced it will be implementing the first stage of the program, buying banned guns from retailers. Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), which is working with the federal government on this part of the buyback, estimates the cost will be in the billions of dollars.
New Zealand’s experience shows gun buybacks don’t reduce gun crime. The federal government shouldn’t be wasting taxpayer dollars on an expensive program that is unlikely to work. Ottawa needs to scrap the gun ban and buyback. There are better ways to fight crime.
Gage Haubrich: New Zealand’s gun buyback suggests Ottawa’s won’t work
Buying back guns was expensive and gun crime is now 55 per cent higher than its average in the 10 years preceding the policy's introduction. Read on.
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WHO WILL TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM CRIMINALS?
THIS WEEK – Who Will Take Guns Away from Criminals?
View as Webpage Canadian Shooting Sports Association CSSA eNEWS | July 20, 2023 COMMENTARY WHO WILL TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM CRIMINALS? Nobody. Not Justin Trudeau, not Bill Blair
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A Personal Firearms Story | Bill C-21 wasn't just an attack on a hobby. It was an attack on Canadian traditions, Canadian histories, and the Canadian way of life. | By Raquel Dancho - Facebook
Bill C-21 wasn't just an attack on a hobby. It was an attack on Canadian traditions, Canadian histories, and the Canadian way of life.
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Federal government plans to confiscate $4 billion worth of private property via gun ban
Over the past few years, based on claims that “fewer guns mean safer communities,” the Trudeau government has cracked down heavily on Canadian firearms owners. In addition to introducing increasingly restrictive regulations, the government has essentially erased the value of more than $4 billion worth of private property (i.e. firearms) by ordering its confiscation. Property that was legally owned and used now must be forfeited to the government to purportedly “reduce gun violence,” but none of the owners have been accused of a violent act. Nor were any likely to commit a violent crime. Adding insult to injury, the administrative costs of these confiscations could reach into the billions.
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StatsCan numbers show crime and shootings spike under Trudeau
Shootings have doubled under Trudeau while he attacks duck hunters and leaves criminals alone.
The overall crime severity index was up 4.3% from 2021 to 2022 while the violent crime severity index was up 4.6% compared to the year earlier. It’s violent crime that is up the most during Trudeau’s tenure from a ranking of 75.3 in 2015, the year he was elected, to 97.7 in 2022.
In fact, one of the most shocking statistics is that during Trudeau’s time in office shootings across Canada have doubled.
In 2015 there were 2,358, shootings recorded by Statistics Canada. But in 2022, after seven years of the Trudeau government and countless claims they were dealing with gun crime, Stats Can recorded 4,741 shootings in 2022.
How can it be that shootings doubled during those years given all the times Justin Trudeau and his ministers have stood before the cameras saying they would crack down on gun crime?
Could it be, as I and other wise people have pointed out, that Trudeau’s gun control policies focus more on farmers and duck hunters than the criminals who cause the crime?
To back up that claim, gun crime has never been higher in the last 20 years. During the years when the long gun registry was in place, the number of shootings never went above 2,300, nor did they after the Harper government got rid of it. But since Trudeau has come to office, things have gotten worse.
Overall, the crime severity index has gone up by 18% since Trudeau took office while the violent crime severity index has gone up 27.5% since Trudeau became PM.
Yet, time after time, as criminal shoot up Canada’s streets, Trudeau comes out with new laws like Bill C-21 that seek to ban hunting rifles, that make life more difficult for legal, licenced gun owners. When it comes to criminals, Trudeau and his Liberal government take the opposite approach and try to make life easier for them.
The Trudeau government has adopted a hug-a-thug approach to gun crime, something that is now showing up in the statistics in the worst way.
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Shootings have doubled under Trudeau while he attacks duck hunters and leaves criminals alone.
The overall crime severity index was up 4.3% from 2021 to 2022 while the violent crime severity index was up 4.6% compared to the year earlier. It’s violent crime that is up the most during Trudeau’s tenure from a ranking of 75.3 in 2015, the year he was elected, to 97.7 in 2022.
In fact, one of the most shocking statistics is that during Trudeau’s time in office shootings across Canada have doubled.
In 2015 there were 2,358, shootings recorded by Statistics Canada. But in 2022, after seven years of the Trudeau government and countless claims they were dealing with gun crime, Stats Can recorded 4,741 shootings in 2022.
How can it be that shootings doubled during those years given all the times Justin Trudeau and his ministers have stood before the cameras saying they would crack down on gun crime?
Could it be, as I and other wise people have pointed out, that Trudeau’s gun control policies focus more on farmers and duck hunters than the criminals who cause the crime?
To back up that claim, gun crime has never been higher in the last 20 years. During the years when the long gun registry was in place, the number of shootings never went above 2,300, nor did they after the Harper government got rid of it. But since Trudeau has come to office, things have gotten worse.
Overall, the crime severity index has gone up by 18% since Trudeau took office while the violent crime severity index has gone up 27.5% since Trudeau became PM.
Yet, time after time, as criminal shoot up Canada’s streets, Trudeau comes out with new laws like Bill C-21 that seek to ban hunting rifles, that make life more difficult for legal, licenced gun owners. When it comes to criminals, Trudeau and his Liberal government take the opposite approach and try to make life easier for them.
The Trudeau government has adopted a hug-a-thug approach to gun crime, something that is now showing up in the statistics in the worst way.
LILLEY: StatsCan numbers show crime and shootings spike under Trudeau
StatsCan shows crime continues to rise under Trudeau, especially gun crime as he focuses on duck hunters rather than criminals
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Insp. Norm Proctor: 97% of crime guns smuggled from USA
“In the province of Ontario, a mere 3% of firearms were legally owned in Canada prior to becoming crime guns. Three percent. This puts into perspective how serious the illegal firearm trade has become across this city, province, and country."The above statement
was made today by Toronto Crime Stoppers, its partners, and were joined by Chief of Police Myron Demkiw to launch an Illegal Firearm Awareness Campaign. The Integrated Gun and Gang Task Force is comprised of investigative units that include the Gun and Gang Task Force, Firearms Enforcement Unit, Major Project Section and Biker Enforcement Unit.
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Liberal gun bill leaves legal owners feeling targeted
It was intended to combat gang and gun violence, and stop the kind of horrific mass shootings that dominate headlines.But the Liberal government’s original Bill C-21 would ban the importation, sale and transfer of handgun ownership. Meanwhile, the lack of consultation around a long list banning firearms deemed assault weapons left many law-abiding gun owners feeling unfairly targeted.
Consensus is elusive when trying to strike the complicated balance between combating criminal firearms-related activity and rights of law-abiding owners. However, Bill C-21’s tabling in May 2022 generated an unprecedented level of broad-based pushback. Handgun provisions aside, the lack of consultation and the list of firearms deemed assault weapons were arguably the most contentious issues.
This list added to 1,500 firearms transferred from “restricted” to “prohibited” designation in a May 2020 order-in-council. This order-in-council also included a provision to compensate owners who had purchased legal firearms subsequently declared illegal through a buyback program. Its precise methodology, timeline and cost have not been finalized.
Initial C-21 opposition included First Nations and other legal gun owners and the Conservative party, but also featured concerns from the NDP and Bloc Québécois.
Without opposition party support, Bill C-21 and its late amendment were withdrawn, but subsequently returned in a revised form that included broader and ongoing consultation to arrive at a more defined definition of so-called military-style assault rifles, along with language outlining intent to uphold Indigenous treaty rights.
This form of Bill C-21 passed the House of Commons in May 2023 and is currently before the Senate.
Liberal gun bill leaves legal owners feeling targeted
Gun control organization says it supports Indigenous rights, but draws the line at military-style assault rifles and handguns
