Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer
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'Nuclear option': Conservatives decry Liberal move to limit debate on gun bill
The federal government is trying to limit how much time MPs have left to consider changes and debate the Liberal gun control legislation Bill C-21.
Through what's known as a programming motion, the Liberals are trying to set in stone the House of Commons' plans related to this bill before voting to send it to the Senate, including issuing marching orders regarding the bill's scope and outstanding amendments to the committee currently studying it.
This move from Government House Leader Mark Holland, on a piece of legislation that has now been before the House for almost a year, comes just one week after Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino put forward a series of revised amendments that seek to significantly expand the range of proposed gun control measures in the bill.
During a meeting last week, opposition MPs on the committee raised questions around whether they had the ability to, and what would happen if they passed the Liberal amendments and in effect expanded the scope of the bill considerably from what the House of Commons had signed off on when it passed the bill at second reading last June.
Defending moving to stitch in other firearm policies into Bill C-21 alongside accompanying regulatory plans, Mendicino has said the Liberals are committed to go further “than any government in the history of this country,” when it comes to gun control.
Questioning why the Liberals are feeling the urgency now after letting months go by with no movement on Bill C-21, Bloc Quebecois MP and vice-chair of the Public Safety and National Security Committee Kristina Michaud said this move shows the Liberals are "incapable of working together."
'Nuclear option': Conservatives decry Liberal move to limit debate on gun bill
The federal government is trying to limit how much time MPs have left to consider changes and debate the Liberal gun control legislation Bill C-21. It's a move the Conservatives called a 'nuclear option,' but one the Liberals and New Democrats say is needed to fend off Official Opposition...
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Our gun-control proposals have a very basic failure — garbage data
The Mass Casualty Commission’s firearm recommendations were, rightly, overlooked in the initial phase after the report’s release. They have become relevant these past weeks as gun control groups, the NDP, the Bloc, and the Liberals used them to advocate for sweeping changes to Bill C-21, the government’s controversial gun-control proposals.The Mass Casualty Commission’s concluding recommendations on guns and homicide share a problem common to any data analysis. If you use the wrong data, you get a bad output.
Or, to be blunt: garbage in, garbage out.
R. Blake Brown, a professor who contributed a commissioned report to the MCC, suggested that the MCC got all the best research together and simply found the arguments made by gun control groups to be more convincing.
He’s wrong. While the MCC could have been a completely neutral panel objectively weighing the evidence before it, the nakedly selective choice of data inputs and slanted interpretation meant that no unbiased outcome was possible. Indeed, the MCC inputs seem heavily weighed to advance a pro-control agenda, and do so in such an obvious way that the resulting flaws should be immediately clear to those with even a passing knowledge of the study of firearms and firearm homicide.
Tim Thurley: Our gun-control proposals have a very basic failure — garbage data
The Mass Casualty Commission relied on skewed (at best) data and its gun conclusions cannot be taken seriously.
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Remember Mendicino's LIE that there were "going to take the time to get this right"??
Well, they didn't.
In fact, instead, they rammed the handgun bill through without debate, contrary to parliamentary procedural rules, with nearly identical "amendments" targeting long guns to those they were earlier forced to abandon.
Shameful at best!
Only three months after retreating from a sweeping gun ban that received blanket condemnation from outfitters and Indigenous groups, the Liberals are back with another plan to criminalize vast categories of Canadian long guns.
Bill C-21 was first introduced in May 2022 in order to codify an existing Liberal promise to ban the sale or transfer of handguns.
But then, in November the Liberals slipped in an 11th hour package of amendments that dramatically expanded the scope of the bill to include whole categories of Canadian long guns.
The definitions were so broad that they even included large numbers of low-caliber, single-shot rifles that were the virtual opposite of the “assault-style” rifles that Liberal proponents claimed the bill would criminalize.
Only after weeks of widespread opposition that included NDP and Liberal MPs in rural ridings — as well as de facto promises by Prairie provinces that they would refuse to enforce the new law — did the Liberals abruptly withdraw them in early February.
One of the most contentious aspects of the withdrawn amendments was that they would have instantly criminalized several thousand makes and models of long guns currently in active use by hunters and outfitters.
Throughout, the Liberal government consistently denied mounting evidence that the amendments would criminalize a wide swathe of Canadian hunting arms with little to no links to criminal activity. In multiple public statements, Liberal MPs claimed that the amendments were “not targeting hunting rifles” and “were not targeting law-abiding gun owners” — both of which were easily debunked by even a cursory reading of the amendment text.
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Well, they didn't.
In fact, instead, they rammed the handgun bill through without debate, contrary to parliamentary procedural rules, with nearly identical "amendments" targeting long guns to those they were earlier forced to abandon.
Shameful at best!
The Liberals are right back to banning guns again
Gun owners won't have their hunting rifles seized this time ... sort ofOnly three months after retreating from a sweeping gun ban that received blanket condemnation from outfitters and Indigenous groups, the Liberals are back with another plan to criminalize vast categories of Canadian long guns.
Bill C-21 was first introduced in May 2022 in order to codify an existing Liberal promise to ban the sale or transfer of handguns.
But then, in November the Liberals slipped in an 11th hour package of amendments that dramatically expanded the scope of the bill to include whole categories of Canadian long guns.
The definitions were so broad that they even included large numbers of low-caliber, single-shot rifles that were the virtual opposite of the “assault-style” rifles that Liberal proponents claimed the bill would criminalize.
Only after weeks of widespread opposition that included NDP and Liberal MPs in rural ridings — as well as de facto promises by Prairie provinces that they would refuse to enforce the new law — did the Liberals abruptly withdraw them in early February.
One of the most contentious aspects of the withdrawn amendments was that they would have instantly criminalized several thousand makes and models of long guns currently in active use by hunters and outfitters.
Throughout, the Liberal government consistently denied mounting evidence that the amendments would criminalize a wide swathe of Canadian hunting arms with little to no links to criminal activity. In multiple public statements, Liberal MPs claimed that the amendments were “not targeting hunting rifles” and “were not targeting law-abiding gun owners” — both of which were easily debunked by even a cursory reading of the amendment text.
FIRST READING: The Liberals are right back to banning guns again
Gun owners won't have their hunting rifles seized this time ... sort of
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As predicted - rammed through contrary to parliamentary procedures...
Liberal gun control legislation passes House of Commons
The federal Liberal government's gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the House of Commons on Thursday.
While the majority of MPs voted to see the bill pass into the Senate, two Liberal MPs who represent northern ridings sided with the Conservatives in voting against the legislation.
The bill, which passed nearly a year after it was first introduced, had an acrimonious journey through the House, and was significantly expanded from what was initially tabled in May 2022.
Defending moving to stitch in other firearm policies into Bill C-21, Mendicino has said the Liberals were committed to go further “than any government in the history of this country,” when it comes to gun control.
Bill C-21 is now off to the Senate for a second round of scrutiny. It remains to be seen whether senators are inclined to expedite their study or extend that work into the fall, with just four weeks left in the spring sitting.
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Liberal gun control legislation passes House of Commons
The federal Liberal government's gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the House of Commons on Thursday.
While the majority of MPs voted to see the bill pass into the Senate, two Liberal MPs who represent northern ridings sided with the Conservatives in voting against the legislation.
The bill, which passed nearly a year after it was first introduced, had an acrimonious journey through the House, and was significantly expanded from what was initially tabled in May 2022.
Defending moving to stitch in other firearm policies into Bill C-21, Mendicino has said the Liberals were committed to go further “than any government in the history of this country,” when it comes to gun control.
Bill C-21 is now off to the Senate for a second round of scrutiny. It remains to be seen whether senators are inclined to expedite their study or extend that work into the fall, with just four weeks left in the spring sitting.
Liberal gun control legislation passes House of Commons
The federal Liberal government's gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the House of Commons on Thursday. While the majority of MPs voted to see the bill pass into the Senate, two Liberal MPs who represent northern ridings sided with the Conservatives in voting against the legislation.
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Two million licensed gun owners are required to report their addresses to police but NOT the more than 443,000 convicted criminals prohibited from owning firearms by the courts!
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It has been confirmed that the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee (CFAC) will be selected shortly to finalize their selection of firearms to be prohibited. The committee's decision is anticipated to be made before the end of summer and will be put into effect through an Order in Council.
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Petition e-4221 (Justice) was presented to the House today.
The gist of the petition:
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to:
1. Stop targeting law abiding hunters, sports shooters and farmers with gun legislation; and
2. Immediately withdraw the amendments tabled on November 22, 2022, at the Standing Commitee of Public Safety and National Security.
Government (expected) response:
Canadians deserve to be safe in their communities. That’s why the Government of Canada is taking action on gun violence with a comprehensive plan that gets firearms off our streets and puts more resources into our neighbourhoods, while respecting hunters and law-abiding gun owners. A central part of this work is addressing the assault-style firearms that have been used in the worst tragedies in our country’s history. This is why the Government has introduced Bill C-21, which represents the most significant changes to gun control legislation in more than 40 years. The objective and spirit of Bill C-21 is to enhance public safety through targeted firearms control and since its introduction, the Government of Canada has made clear commitments to take further action to protect Canadians and our communities from gun violence.
When the Bill was tabled, the Government noted the intention to continue working to ensure a comprehensive ban of assault-style firearms. In November 2022, amendments were proposed to accomplish this. The core intent of the amendments was to prohibit assault-style firearms that are not suitable for civilian use, and not to target firearms that are commonly used for hunting. The proposed amendments generated significant debate and legitimate concerns and were withdrawn to create an opportunity to further consult with Canadians.
Following weeks of discussion with Canadians and after having talked with hunter association and organization representing law abiding gun owner, the government, on May 1st, took another decisive step to address gun violence. A series of new enhanced measure to strengthen Bill C-21 and cement in law a permanent ban on new assault-style firearms from Canada were announced. From Tackling the issues of ghost gun, to the re-establishment of the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee those measure were made in Respect the rights of First Nations, Inuit and Métis by including a specific provision stating that nothing proposed in Bill C-21 derogates from the rights of Indigenous peoples recognized and affirmed under section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982.
Our Government recognizes the traditional and cultural importance of hunting for Indigenous communities and we are committed to ensuring that laws that are proposed or enacted do not prevent Indigenous Peoples from participating in a certain activity or practice that is integral and distinctive to their culture. The core intent of the amendments is to remove assault style firearms from civilian use and not to target hunting rifles. These amendments are not in any way intended to limit Indigenous rights. The Government will continue to consult and cooperate with First Nations, Inuit, and Métis to identify a path forward.
The Government recognizes the legal civilian ownership of firearms for hunters, competitive and recreational sport shooters and collectors. We are committed to working with the all Canadians to identify a sensible approach that prioritizes public safety, supports effective police work and community programming and treats everyone in a fair and reasonable manner.
No single program or initiative can tackle the challenge of gun violence alone. Bill C-21 is part of the Government of Canada’s comprehensive strategy to address gun violence and strengthen gun control in Canada. This includes legislative measures in the Bill to combat firearms trafficking and smuggling such as the higher maximum penalties from 10 to 14 years, the most severe penalties short of a life sentence. The Government has also invested over $920 million throughout the last six years in targeted initiatives to address gun and gang violence. This includes over $312 million over five years, starting in 2021-22, to support efforts by Public Safety, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to identify smuggled firearms at the border and through firearms tracing. Among other things, this funding will increase capacity to trace firearms and provide additional resources to target firearms smuggling and trafficking by equipping the RCMP and the CBSA with the necessary tools and resources, such as x-ray machines and parcel scanners, to prevent illegal firearms from entering Canada. Further, $125 million is being provided to law enforcement agencies to increase capacity in priority areas, ensure front line officers have access to an integrated suite of resources to support firearms investigations, as well as to help prevent illegal firearms from coming into the country.
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Mendicino running with smoke, mirrors & lies to substantiate his ongoing attacks on hunters and sports shooter...
The gist of the petition:
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to:
1. Stop targeting law abiding hunters, sports shooters and farmers with gun legislation; and
2. Immediately withdraw the amendments tabled on November 22, 2022, at the Standing Commitee of Public Safety and National Security.
Government (expected) response:
Response by the Minister of Public Safety
Signed by (Minister or Parliamentary Secretary): PAM DAMOFF, M.P.
Canadians deserve to be safe in their communities. That’s why the Government of Canada is taking action on gun violence with a comprehensive plan that gets firearms off our streets and puts more resources into our neighbourhoods, while respecting hunters and law-abiding gun owners. A central part of this work is addressing the assault-style firearms that have been used in the worst tragedies in our country’s history. This is why the Government has introduced Bill C-21, which represents the most significant changes to gun control legislation in more than 40 years. The objective and spirit of Bill C-21 is to enhance public safety through targeted firearms control and since its introduction, the Government of Canada has made clear commitments to take further action to protect Canadians and our communities from gun violence.
When the Bill was tabled, the Government noted the intention to continue working to ensure a comprehensive ban of assault-style firearms. In November 2022, amendments were proposed to accomplish this. The core intent of the amendments was to prohibit assault-style firearms that are not suitable for civilian use, and not to target firearms that are commonly used for hunting. The proposed amendments generated significant debate and legitimate concerns and were withdrawn to create an opportunity to further consult with Canadians.
Following weeks of discussion with Canadians and after having talked with hunter association and organization representing law abiding gun owner, the government, on May 1st, took another decisive step to address gun violence. A series of new enhanced measure to strengthen Bill C-21 and cement in law a permanent ban on new assault-style firearms from Canada were announced. From Tackling the issues of ghost gun, to the re-establishment of the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee those measure were made in Respect the rights of First Nations, Inuit and Métis by including a specific provision stating that nothing proposed in Bill C-21 derogates from the rights of Indigenous peoples recognized and affirmed under section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982.
Our Government recognizes the traditional and cultural importance of hunting for Indigenous communities and we are committed to ensuring that laws that are proposed or enacted do not prevent Indigenous Peoples from participating in a certain activity or practice that is integral and distinctive to their culture. The core intent of the amendments is to remove assault style firearms from civilian use and not to target hunting rifles. These amendments are not in any way intended to limit Indigenous rights. The Government will continue to consult and cooperate with First Nations, Inuit, and Métis to identify a path forward.
The Government recognizes the legal civilian ownership of firearms for hunters, competitive and recreational sport shooters and collectors. We are committed to working with the all Canadians to identify a sensible approach that prioritizes public safety, supports effective police work and community programming and treats everyone in a fair and reasonable manner.
No single program or initiative can tackle the challenge of gun violence alone. Bill C-21 is part of the Government of Canada’s comprehensive strategy to address gun violence and strengthen gun control in Canada. This includes legislative measures in the Bill to combat firearms trafficking and smuggling such as the higher maximum penalties from 10 to 14 years, the most severe penalties short of a life sentence. The Government has also invested over $920 million throughout the last six years in targeted initiatives to address gun and gang violence. This includes over $312 million over five years, starting in 2021-22, to support efforts by Public Safety, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to identify smuggled firearms at the border and through firearms tracing. Among other things, this funding will increase capacity to trace firearms and provide additional resources to target firearms smuggling and trafficking by equipping the RCMP and the CBSA with the necessary tools and resources, such as x-ray machines and parcel scanners, to prevent illegal firearms from entering Canada. Further, $125 million is being provided to law enforcement agencies to increase capacity in priority areas, ensure front line officers have access to an integrated suite of resources to support firearms investigations, as well as to help prevent illegal firearms from coming into the country.
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Mendicino running with smoke, mirrors & lies to substantiate his ongoing attacks on hunters and sports shooter...
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Trudeau blames Harper government for rising gun violence
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau used a Toronto Raptors event on Thursday to launch partisan attacks against the Conservatives, blaming the rise in gun violence on the government of former prime minister Stephen Harper.
During his remarks, Trudeau made several digs at “Conservative politicians” for allegedly stoking fears around violent crime.
Harper has not been prime minister for nearly eight years.
Major cities like Toronto have seen a sharp spike in gun crime incidents over the past few years. According to Toronto Police Services data, 2022 saw a 22.1% increase in total shootings and firearm discharges.
Last year, the city witnessed a total of 166 events with 64 people killed or injured.
On social media, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights spokesperson Tracey Wilson slammed the government for its failed approach on gun violence.
“Canada is experiencing a 32% increase in violent crime, a 92% increase in gang homicide, our revolving door legal system spits violent, repeat offenders back onto the street thanks to Liberal policies and drugs flow like water,” said Wilson.
“This is a perfect example of being the worst, most ineffective, damaging, worthless government in the history of this country.”
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau used a Toronto Raptors event on Thursday to launch partisan attacks against the Conservatives, blaming the rise in gun violence on the government of former prime minister Stephen Harper.
During his remarks, Trudeau made several digs at “Conservative politicians” for allegedly stoking fears around violent crime.
Harper has not been prime minister for nearly eight years.
Major cities like Toronto have seen a sharp spike in gun crime incidents over the past few years. According to Toronto Police Services data, 2022 saw a 22.1% increase in total shootings and firearm discharges.
Last year, the city witnessed a total of 166 events with 64 people killed or injured.
On social media, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights spokesperson Tracey Wilson slammed the government for its failed approach on gun violence.
“Canada is experiencing a 32% increase in violent crime, a 92% increase in gang homicide, our revolving door legal system spits violent, repeat offenders back onto the street thanks to Liberal policies and drugs flow like water,” said Wilson.
“This is a perfect example of being the worst, most ineffective, damaging, worthless government in the history of this country.”
Trudeau blames Harper government for rising gun violence
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau used a Toronto Raptors event on Thursday to launch partisan attacks against the Conservatives, blaming the rise in gun violence on the government of former prime minister Stephen Harper.
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Only one major problem with that.
Shootings and homicides overall were declining under Harper's government.
Since then, they are blossoming according to Stats Canada:
www150.statcan.gc.ca
So Nice Try Trudeau, but yet another complete and utter fail...
Shootings and homicides overall were declining under Harper's government.
Since then, they are blossoming according to Stats Canada:
Number, rate and percentage changes in rates of homicide victims
Number, rate (per 100,000 population) and percentage changes in rates of homicide victims, Canada, provinces and territories, 1961 to 2021.
So Nice Try Trudeau, but yet another complete and utter fail...
