Transport Canada Passangers List & Guides

[profisher]

I have thought for awhile of a practical way to live up to TC requirements that every small passenger vessel have a list of all the passangers they have on board and it be kept on shore and available to emergency first responders at all times. Something for us single boat operators that is difficult to do with 100% compliance.
Looking for your thought on my solution. Have a membership based site available for a nominal fee say somewhere in the $25 per year cost. You would be given your own log in code that gives you access to your passangers list pages only. A standardized form would be filled out by yourself with all the relevant and required info for a trip on given dates. Such as passangers names, country and city they are from, a contact number to next of kin, departure port, time of departure and expected return...etc etc. The CCG would have a master login which would allow them to access any members page when an emergency occurs and they need that info. All information would be deleted 48 hours after the date has passed. Thought?

 

[rendraW]

I like the idea. Maybe you could incorporate a "got home safe" function that if not manually clicked on by the user automatically notified CCG that the user was late...

 

[profisher]

I could see a lot of forgetting to do that and some false alarms, could create a cry wolf scenario just like the car alarms do now. Hardly anyone goes to check out a car alarm....just sit there and wait for the noise to stop. I know I would forget, to easy to get distracted after the work day is done.

 

[Last Chance]

I cant see that as a necessity

 

[Evenweight]

it would have to be in french too

 

[damnfish!]

Is this a requirement? BC Ferries don't have your name when you're on board.

 

[Gypseas]

How about some kind of water tight container fastened to the dock where you moor your boat.

Boat not back by sunset, surely someone who knows you would check for you nav plan and sound the alarm if something seem to have gone sideways. You could use a buddy system and they could do the same for you.

When I have the boat moored I check on it pretty much every evening after work. If my friends boat is not at the dock and maybe the wind is up or something like that, cell comes out couple phone calls you know... better safe than sorry.

cheers

 

[ThistledewII]

Prior to leaving the dock I fill out a manifest form with all pertinent info. I then take a picture of it with my Iphone/camera and email it to home/office and to one or more of the contacts on list depending on group dynamic

 

[profisher]

Yes we are required to do this. It only makes sense. If you are missing the CCG would need to know how many people they are looking for in the water. Who they are so they can notify family or travel companions. Also just as important, who wasn't on your boat. Where you left from, when and how overdue you are. Doesn't help them much if the wife has the list in her purse and she is at work and oblivious to what is going on. Bc ferries has their own rules which in many cases are unique to themselves.

 

[profisher]

Gypseas, I would have to read the regulation to see if it says it must be left ashore or ashore with someone who can be reached while you are on the water.

 

[hooktender68]

I am all about saftey, but I check the no box on the form, I dont have a manifest. There is always enough people knowing what I am up to. Im not too interested in paying for any more TC red tape.

 

[profisher]

Ok, so you have time to push the distress button on your VHF and then an on board fire chases you into the water. Your only 3 hours into an 8 hour trip. So the people who know what your up to aren't thinking you have a situation. CCG gets your VHF signal and knows that it is your boat in trouble. They don't know who is with you and they don't know who to contact to find out. You don't have to pay anything to comply but TC requires that this list be available on shore in the event of an emergency.

 

[coastalmarinesafety]

Gypseas, I would have to read the regulation to see if it says it must be left ashore or ashore with someone who can be reached while you are on the water.

Below is the cut/paste of the regs wording. I think this sort of website sail plan system is a great idea and would be a benefit to those who would use it, especially if there was a mobile app to go along with it (for those who depart/return within cell range). At the end of the day, the regs just say that we are to develop certain procedures, they don't tell us what those procedures have to look like or how we go about implementing them- so this is a creative solution to one section of the SVR's.

Small Vessel Regs.
402. (1) The operator of a passenger-carrying vessel shall, before departure, report the number of persons on board to a person on shore who has been designated by the operator to be responsible for communicating with search and rescue authorities in case of an emergency.


(2) If the passenger-carrying vessel is operated in a remote area and it is not possible to report the number of persons on board to a person on shore, the operator of the vessel shall leave the information respecting each voyage in a location on shore that is known and readily available to search and rescue authorities.


(3) If the passenger-carrying vessel is operated from a support vessel, or if it is used to transfer persons from another vessel to shore, the operator of the passenger-carrying vessel may designate a person on board the support vessel or the other vessel to be responsible for communicating with search and rescue authorities in case of an emergency.

 

[duperfish]

Is this question being asked in the context of only registered charters and guides? It sounds like it applies to all anglers, boaters, even for personal fishing trips

 

[profisher]

Just commercial vessels carrying paying passengers. In TC lingo even a charter fishing boat is considered a passenger boat if it has a commercial number and is available for hire.