you are right !! the only fishing opportunities we will see will be pics on our phones
Strategy for the Northern and Southern Resident Killer Whales
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SpringVelocity
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Renfrew is doomed. Sad.
cohochinook
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How do you expect David Suzuki to make all his money if he's not pushing for more restrictions!
Probably why the group that owned the Marina in the bay sold out while they could.
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
That didn't happen. It never sold. In the end I heard deal fell through.
SpringVelocity
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In December 2010, Murray introduced Bill C-606,[51] An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act, which proposed to ban oil tanker traffic on Canada's Pacific North Coast. The bill passed first reading in the House of Commons and was scheduled for second reading when an election was called in March 2011. In the next session, she reintroduced the bill as Bill C-437.[52] In 2017, the Liberal government introduced a similar law, Bill C-48.[53]
Murray is opposed to all pipelines that would ship Alberta oil and bitumen to the British Columbia coast, calling them a "stone age" approach to energy development.[54] Murray has called for more oil to be refined and upgraded in Canada and for an end to "oilsands industry subsidies, and opposition to pipeline proposals to carry bitumen to a BC port".
Murray is opposed to all pipelines that would ship Alberta oil and bitumen to the British Columbia coast, calling them a "stone age" approach to energy development.[54] Murray has called for more oil to be refined and upgraded in Canada and for an end to "oilsands industry subsidies, and opposition to pipeline proposals to carry bitumen to a BC port".
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gone fishin
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my understanding is the Marina sold out because there were burial caves found on site. Not to mention how do you make any money with such a short season. If the Government was offering a buy out, why not take it and run.
searun
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Probably foreshadows how this new Minister leans. Don't want to judge a book by its cover, but how people have acted in the past is a good indication how they will approach future experiences....just sayin.
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
More than $45,000 in fines issued after whale protection measures in B.C. violated in 2021
The 400-metre rule came into effect earlier this year. Southern resident killer whales are among the most threatened orca populations off B.C.'s coast. In 2020, the population declined to a 40-year low, more than a 25 per cent decline from their observed peak in 1995
It amazes me. Suzuki has a petition going around asking for more enforcement, more no go zones, and protection of chinook from harvesting. Already has 5000 signatures. Getting our butt again kicked on this one. Looks like it's open season rec boaters and whale watchers.
Here is the group reporting to DFO on all violations https://www.cetussociety.org/straitwatch
Wow check out the directors of that group and affiliations.
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Suzuki, ya. As bad as he is personally being detached from reality - I doubt if he is personally responsible for this latest and greatest fundraising campaign. He is just the figurehead for yet another large and dysfunctional ENGO bureaucracy that function more like government as they increase in size.
You can bet there was a meeting some weeks ago with a select core of just a few self-entitled, privileged and largely unknown DSF staff/directors that dreamt this one up like all the others. Zero transparency and accountability for some of these large and well-funded ENGOs - especially when they assume to speak on behalf of others. If they were instead interested in being transparent & accountable - they would sign-off as individuals whom came to whatever conclusion they came to and list whatever credible scientific sources they used to come to that conclusion. Much like the numerous open, communal letters written to DFO over such things as the impacts of open net-pen aquaculture by scientists.
and then there is the other side of that spectrum - with ENGOs such as the PSF, the ASF, and the T. Buck Suzuki Fdn. And speaking of the marine mammal lobby - I have even been encouraged by the education of and change in Andrew Trites over the years as he's hung-out and learned off salmon experts - such as Brian Riddell.
But process that required a willingness to participate in collateral teams and to leave ones preconceived assumptions and egos @ the door. Something that many staff and directors in such an organization are reluctant and resistant to do because they can get called on their lack of transparency and accountability. And maybe they loose the opportunity to charge-up their supporters and earn money off any ill conceived campaign. Anyways - rant over.
You can bet there was a meeting some weeks ago with a select core of just a few self-entitled, privileged and largely unknown DSF staff/directors that dreamt this one up like all the others. Zero transparency and accountability for some of these large and well-funded ENGOs - especially when they assume to speak on behalf of others. If they were instead interested in being transparent & accountable - they would sign-off as individuals whom came to whatever conclusion they came to and list whatever credible scientific sources they used to come to that conclusion. Much like the numerous open, communal letters written to DFO over such things as the impacts of open net-pen aquaculture by scientists.
and then there is the other side of that spectrum - with ENGOs such as the PSF, the ASF, and the T. Buck Suzuki Fdn. And speaking of the marine mammal lobby - I have even been encouraged by the education of and change in Andrew Trites over the years as he's hung-out and learned off salmon experts - such as Brian Riddell.
But process that required a willingness to participate in collateral teams and to leave ones preconceived assumptions and egos @ the door. Something that many staff and directors in such an organization are reluctant and resistant to do because they can get called on their lack of transparency and accountability. And maybe they loose the opportunity to charge-up their supporters and earn money off any ill conceived campaign. Anyways - rant over.
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gone fishin
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Requiring boaters and whale watchers to stay 200 meters away from Orcas is a good regulation. I am amazed at how many boaters are in violation.
The total closure on the other hand, keeping fishers out of areas when there are no whales within miles and miles and often even more miles is a big a sacrifice for little if any gain.
The total closure on the other hand, keeping fishers out of areas when there are no whales within miles and miles and often even more miles is a big a sacrifice for little if any gain.
searun
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Yup, pay close attention to how all this gets pivoted into expanding MPA's...another pet Green project.More than $45,000 in fines issued after whale protection measures in B.C. violated in 2021
The 400-metre rule came into effect earlier this year. Southern resident killer whales are among the most threatened orca populations off B.C.'s coast. In 2020, the population declined to a 40-year low, more than a 25 per cent decline from their observed peak in 1995vancouversun.com
It amazes me. Suzuki has a petition going around asking for more enforcement, more no go zones, and protection of chinook from harvesting. Already has 5000 signatures. Getting our butt again kicked on this one. Looks like it's open season rec boaters and whale watchers.
Here is the group reporting to DFO on all violations https://www.cetussociety.org/straitwatch
Wow check out the directors of that group and affiliations.
searun
Well-Known Member
400 m actually for the public, and 200 m for privileged few. IMO, 400m should be a hard stop for everyone, everywhere. The research supports that, so why are we allowing WW to get in close? We don't need spatial closures, the whales aren't there most of the time. So while it all looks cool to have maps showing big closed areas, they aren't effective tools without a significant social and economic impact that is largely unnecessary.
Because if we really cared, we could provide active layers of protection that you ramp up and down depending on when whales are present in these areas. What we need is more commitment to adaptive management that ensures we can activity monitor whales and keep people away when the whales are there, and when they are not allow human activity, ensuring Canada's blue economy.
If government really gave a crap about small coastal communities, and protecting whales, they would shift strategies to find a balance. Instead of focusing on how much that would cost - why not create some local small community employment for local FN's to act as guardians...money well invested adding to ensuring local economies continue to thrive, as opposed to the current approach which is to simply ignore the social, cultural and economic genocide DFO and this Liberal government are generating.
Why doesn't the Fisheries Act require DFO to do cost/benefit analysis to fully cost out what the hard costs will be and produce a mitigation plan as a part of management requirements? Knowing the full cost of decisions might bring about better decision making!
Sorry for the rant, but really this isnt rocket surgery.
searun
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And here is what we are up against....a bunch of urbanites sipping their starbucks, making waves by simply clicking on a form letter....its ramping up folks...more pressure for more fishery closures to create more fixed sanctuaries. Here's what the ENGO groups are sending out.
Every year, Southern Resident orcas make their way back to the Salish Sea where they spend their summer months feeding, mating, playing, and socializing. They are an integral part of local marine ecosystems and their return is cherished and celebrated by many communities around the Salish Sea. We all love those first announcements that tell us these orcas are once again sharing this magnificent region with us!
However, we need your help to make these waters they call home as quiet and healthy as possible upon their return by asking the government for better protection efforts for this endangered species!
Take action by sending a one click letter to government!
This year will be especially significant and exciting as we could see the birth of three J-pod calves. However, infant mortality is extremely high in this population and these calves and their mothers need a clean, quiet, and productive habitat that will provide them with the rest and food they need to survive and recover this year.
This is why it is extremely important that the federal government implement stronger actions than ever before to protect this endangered species, to increase the chances of survival for these calves, and to help their population recover. These three pregnancies are the ray of hope this population needs and an opportunity we cannot let pass!
Government is developing the 2022 protection measures as we speak, so please help us sound the alarm for stronger measures before Southern Resident orcas return to the Salish Sea this year.
Every year, Southern Resident orcas make their way back to the Salish Sea where they spend their summer months feeding, mating, playing, and socializing. They are an integral part of local marine ecosystems and their return is cherished and celebrated by many communities around the Salish Sea. We all love those first announcements that tell us these orcas are once again sharing this magnificent region with us!
However, we need your help to make these waters they call home as quiet and healthy as possible upon their return by asking the government for better protection efforts for this endangered species!
Take action by sending a one click letter to government!
This year will be especially significant and exciting as we could see the birth of three J-pod calves. However, infant mortality is extremely high in this population and these calves and their mothers need a clean, quiet, and productive habitat that will provide them with the rest and food they need to survive and recover this year.
This is why it is extremely important that the federal government implement stronger actions than ever before to protect this endangered species, to increase the chances of survival for these calves, and to help their population recover. These three pregnancies are the ray of hope this population needs and an opportunity we cannot let pass!
Government is developing the 2022 protection measures as we speak, so please help us sound the alarm for stronger measures before Southern Resident orcas return to the Salish Sea this year.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
There relentlessly reaps rewards
Interesting that they have a one click button to send a letter to govt. One wonders if it would be possible to have this Forum develop a similar system as a counter for this and other issues of concern to anglers.
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
Well just so you know these so called urbanites that are sipping there Starbucks are kicking our butts and making us look really bad . They are very well organized and very well funded compared to us. They are proactive and our advisory boards are reactive giving us no chance. We can say and use all the big words and spend our time spinning our wheels trying to put out fires BUT WE ARE LOSING BADLY. We need to get back to just being anglers, not guides , not lodges , Our common ground is we are..................
SPORT FISHERMAN !!!! These groups are taking away the things we all love to do !!! from us yes, but mostly from our children who will never know what it was like to go out and catch a big fish not hope its below 80cm or hope your fishing an area that is open . we have lost the ability to spread out and search for fish which is part of the experience. they have us all confined now , that is a horrible experience. The most frustrating part is they are achieving there goal by the push of a button.
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