SRKW Royalty?

All the public concern over SRKW sure makes for great opportunities for marine mammal researchers to feather their nests - you may have noted in yesterday's budget that there is a new $151 million fund for whales...no new investment for salmon recovery. Hmmm.

Inbreeding sure could be a problem, however there are also other significant factors and poorly constructed management measures aimed at protecting SRKW that are hindering recovery and needlessly decimating coastal communities that rely upon the recreational fishery for their social, cultural and economic well-being!

All of this begs the question, why are NRKW populations increasing whereas their SRKW cousins are low and stable? Could all the fuss over caloric deficits for SRKW be more related to the prolific expansion of the whale watching industry - their business model is to get as close to foraging whales as possible - and we all know that science is pointing to physical and acoustic disturbances as an impact to forage activity/success.

I would also go out on a limb (because the research hasn't yet investigated this issue), that SRKW diet may also be a contributing factor. Many of the Chinook stocks SRKW feed upon pass through toxic waters - could it be that by consuming Salmon with high levels of toxins in their livers could be aggregating those toxins in juvenile SRKW passed along by their mother's milk???

Then there's the poorly constructed management responses to protect SRKW.

The regulatory or protection response is vastly different between Canada and US. US have implemented strict avoidance bubbles, and are now in the process of expanding those from 400 yards to 1000 yards - no exceptions, no special permits for Whale Watchers. Whereas, in Canada we implemented a number of "sanctuaries" which are fixed static measures that afford no protection for whales when whales are not present.

We have a 400m avoidance zone concept - but it largely will fail because there is limited enforcement and education support to shift vessel operator behaviors. AND worse, we give Whale Watchers a special permit so they can get closer than that recommended by the science - 200m vs 400m. Seems to me that Canada's approach is designed more to put out splashy maps that make it appear that we are protecting whales and appeasing the ENGO crowd who have a hate on for recreational fishing - to the point they outright mis-represent the facts.
 
I would also go out on a limb (because the research hasn't yet investigated this issue), that SRKW diet may also be a contributing factor. Many of the Chinook stocks SRKW feed upon pass through toxic waters - could it be that by consuming Salmon with high levels of toxins in their livers could be aggregating those toxins in juvenile SRKW passed along by their mother's milk???


They did that study years ago, and found high levels of PCBs and other chemical waste in the salmon in puget sound. Think its directly related to pulp mills and that type industrial industry. The old man was telling me about it a while back. I can see if I can dig that up.

Whats really crazy is that studies have proven the chemicals in the SOG and other areas that come from the mills, and yet the province just subsidized and gave what.. 20 million for the Nanaimo mill expansion? So on one hand you have the government telling you not to do something that has nothing to do with the problem they are dealing with, and on the other hand the government is making the matters worse by investing in the very thing that is creating part of the problem. People are not only strange, but nuts.
 
Last edited:
All the public concern over SRKW sure makes for great opportunities for marine mammal researchers to feather their nests - you may have noted in yesterday's budget that there is a new $151 million fund for whales...no new investment for salmon recovery. Hmmm.

Inbreeding sure could be a problem, however there are also other significant factors and poorly constructed management measures aimed at protecting SRKW that are hindering recovery and needlessly decimating coastal communities that rely upon the recreational fishery for their social, cultural and economic well-being!

All of this begs the question, why are NRKW populations increasing whereas their SRKW cousins are low and stable? Could all the fuss over caloric deficits for SRKW be more related to the prolific expansion of the whale watching industry - their business model is to get as close to foraging whales as possible - and we all know that science is pointing to physical and acoustic disturbances as an impact to forage activity/success.

I would also go out on a limb (because the research hasn't yet investigated this issue), that SRKW diet may also be a contributing factor. Many of the Chinook stocks SRKW feed upon pass through toxic waters - could it be that by consuming Salmon with high levels of toxins in their livers could be aggregating those toxins in juvenile SRKW passed along by their mother's milk???

Then there's the poorly constructed management responses to protect SRKW.

The regulatory or protection response is vastly different between Canada and US. US have implemented strict avoidance bubbles, and are now in the process of expanding those from 400 yards to 1000 yards - no exceptions, no special permits for Whale Watchers. Whereas, in Canada we implemented a number of "sanctuaries" which are fixed static measures that afford no protection for whales when whales are not present.

We have a 400m avoidance zone concept - but it largely will fail because there is limited enforcement and education support to shift vessel operator behaviors. AND worse, we give Whale Watchers a special permit so they can get closer than that recommended by the science - 200m vs 400m. Seems to me that Canada's approach is designed more to put out splashy maps that make it appear that we are protecting whales and appeasing the ENGO crowd who have a hate on for recreational fishing - to the point they outright mis-represent the facts.
Canada is responding to make it look good to NOAA - mirroring NOAAs zones on the other side of that imaginary line to keep seafood export markets open to the USA, IMHO. As you mentioned - effectiveness monitoring is not required or possibly even welcome for that specific response.

Here's some data on the PCB/PBDE levels - look at the amounts in the yearlings (attached).
 

Attachments

Screenshot_20230329-201759.png

Interesting that the males are more contaminated than the females. Guessing the females are discharging their PCBs into the young ones while nursing. Also strange that the NR males have way more (5x) than their females while SR males only have about double (2x) the PCBs.

Screenshot_20230329-201823.png

Note the information on that slide is from 2018 and now in 2023 the 3 threats would NOT include prey abundance but would include inbreeding.

How can they, with a straight face, repeat the claim from 2000 (decades ago) that SR are the most PCB contaminated mammals when their own data from the chart above clearly shows by 2018 the NR are more PCB contaminated than the SR. Just more proof that the facts don't matter and we're in a post - truth world even / especially at universities..
 
Maybe this could be a win-win. The current whale watching fleet could hand-deliver groceries to the whale - and everyone gets their <200m orca selfies...

Kinda like bringing treats to your grannie in the home...

Next will be a Facebook add.. 500 bucks each for feeding and meeting the whale. Selfies are 100 bucks each
 
"Animal rights activists including People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals have long fought for Lolita to spend her final years back home in a controlled setting."

Wait till she hits that cold water.
 
Was looking around and came across this study.

PCBs and Orcas

Basically another confirmation that PCBs are not significantly limiting the successful breeding of SRKW.

Then I found this

whale watch vessel activities in the Salish Sea

Screenshot_20230330-214518~2.png

There was about 10x the number incidents from boats chasing orcas in 2014 as there was in 1998

Put that together with from NOAA

"All three Southern Resident pods were reduced during 1965-75 because of captures for marine parks. The population consisted of 71 whales in 1974, the first year that individuals were counted. It then peaked at 97 animals in 1996, and declined again to 79 in 2001. The population now numbers in the 70s."

Interesting that numbers were growing at a healthy rate until 1996 when they started to decline, while at the same time whale watching / interference incidents started to seriously increase..
 
New rules coming up in WA.
Whale watchers must stay away

"To minimize disturbances to the whales, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has recommended maintaining a distance of 1,000 yards from the whales. Research from NOAA has found that when vessels come within this distance to the whales, they stop hunting for food. Mother whales will stop feeding their young if a vessel approaches within 400 yards. "

It's the whale watchers, stupid!

It's time to get the whale watching boats out of the water.
 
WW in new US law being proposed will not have any exceptions between October to June - seems pretty lame to allow them to get closer July to September when Chinook abundance is higher, and feeding activity by SRKW is likely most important to take advantage of higher abundance of salmon. ....not sure what they mean by the highlighted section of the article by "certain restrictions." Isn't the science pretty clear that SRKW forage activity is impeded by vessels that "approach" them from closer than 400m. Go figure.

"The bill will also modify the commercial whale-watching business license fees and enforcement provisions regarding unlawful commercial whale-watching.

“This bill is not just about protecting orcas, it’s about safeguarding our entire marine ecosystem and ensuring that future generations can enjoy the beauty and bounty of the Salish Sea. We are also creating new opportunities for sustainable tourism that respects the natural environment and supports local businesses," said Sen. Liz Lovelett (D-Anacortes) who sponsored the bill.

The state's current Be Whale Wise regulations require boats to stay at least 300 yards from the Southern Resident killer whales and at least 400 yards out of the path in front of and behind the whales. Last year, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife recommended that the state increases that barrier to 1,000 yards.

There are certain times of the year when motorized commercial whale-watching vessels are already not permitted to be within 1,000 yards of the Southern Residents. State law prohibits motorized commercial whale watchers to get within 1,000 yards of a Southern Resident orca between October and June. During the other three months of the year, commercial whale-watching vessels are still under certain restrictions for viewing the whales."
 
WW in new US law being proposed will not have any exceptions between October to June - seems pretty lame to allow them to get closer July to September when Chinook abundance is higher, and feeding activity by SRKW is likely most important to take advantage of higher abundance of salmon. ....not sure what they mean by the highlighted section of the article by "certain restrictions." Isn't the science pretty clear that SRKW forage activity is impeded by vessels that "approach" them from closer than 400m. Go figure.

"The bill will also modify the commercial whale-watching business license fees and enforcement provisions regarding unlawful commercial whale-watching.

“This bill is not just about protecting orcas, it’s about safeguarding our entire marine ecosystem and ensuring that future generations can enjoy the beauty and bounty of the Salish Sea. We are also creating new opportunities for sustainable tourism that respects the natural environment and supports local businesses," said Sen. Liz Lovelett (D-Anacortes) who sponsored the bill.

The state's current Be Whale Wise regulations require boats to stay at least 300 yards from the Southern Resident killer whales and at least 400 yards out of the path in front of and behind the whales. Last year, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife recommended that the state increases that barrier to 1,000 yards.

There are certain times of the year when motorized commercial whale-watching vessels are already not permitted to be within 1,000 yards of the Southern Residents. State law prohibits motorized commercial whale watchers to get within 1,000 yards of a Southern Resident orca between October and June. During the other three months of the year, commercial whale-watching vessels are still under certain restrictions for viewing the whales."
Great points and I suggest anybody who shares these opinions should reach out to Minister Murray's office to express them and also a contact your local MP. Many of us are too silent on this and just b**** on the form. You need to make your voice heard! Here's her email DFO.Minister-Ministre.MPO@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
 
Great points and I suggest anybody who shares these opinions should reach out to Minister Murray's office to express them and also a contact your local MP. Many of us are too silent on this and just b**** on the form. You need to make your voice heard! Here's her email DFO.Minister-Ministre.MPO@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

She's too busy wasting our money, on a world tour of private business practice education. Learning about on land fish farm machinery and development. I don't think your letters will be noticed.
 
Thinking that the more science we develop out there, the less BS some of the engo's can sling. Its not fishing competition that is causing issues for SRKW, its people chasing them around with vessels. Early on the scientific indications were that vessels approaching or coming towards feeding SRKW created a hazard that they would need to react to in order to avoid these vessel hazards. In a busy marine environment in the South, SRKW needed to adapt to the presence of so many vessels chasing them around. Not so for their northern NRKW cousins. Pretty clearly SRKW mothers need to stick close to their babies because all the ID10T vessel operator errors chasing them around for tourist enjoyment.

Interestingly, if whales approach a friendly WW vessel or fishing vessel, they don't seem to mind that much at all - thinking that has more to do with the whale is in control of the situation managing the hazards, as opposed to the other situation where a vessel approaches the whales where they have no control over the hazard situation.

Seems to me that the best protection for SRKW is implementing robust avoidance bubble zones (supported by education, awareness and meaningful enforcement to shift human behaviours). I'm also OK with moving them up from 400m to something larger. The 1000m the US guys are considering seems to be a little impractical to implement, given in many ocean conditions it would be highly difficult to see and avoid SRKW unless they are within visual range.

One nice feature about a mobile avoidance bubble zone, is this layer of protection follows the whales everywhere they travel...and it doesn't result in undue conflict or financial harm for other marine users or vessel operators. Seems like a practical win for all concerned.
 
Another article on how bad whale watching is for whales.

Boat noise near whales

It references this paper from 2006.

Whale watching tour boat effects on bottlenose dolphins

"A nonlinear logistic model demonstrated that there was no difference in dolphin abundance between periods with no tourism and periods in which one operator offered tours. As the number of tour operators increased to two, there was a significant average decline in dolphin abundance (14.9%;... )"

" the decline is unlikely to be sustainable for local dolphin tourism. A similar decline would be devastating for small, closed, resident, or endangered cetacean populations. The substantial effect of tour vessels on dolphin abundance in a region of low-level tourism calls into question the presumption that dolphin-watching tourism is benign."

Sounds like the population of whales most vulnerable to whale watching in the entire world is the SRKW. Is there even a limit yet on the number of boats that can harass them?
 
Back
Top