sockeye vancouver area

[fish4all]

quote:Originally posted by Brisco

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

Not sure what anyone would complain about---legitimately hooked and angled Sockeye....limits for all on board...so what? I mean...with the flossers on the Fraser...I'd say there are easily 10000 flossed on an average day on the Fraser...never mind the poaching by the Natives and the truck loads which end up dumped in a ditch or shipped to Alberta and back east!!!

People need a reality check!!!!

Now settle down there Skeeter, poaching is done by all groups not just natives.

not all groups poach. just those that are not properly monitored and/or regulated.

 

[Peahead]

Just an FYI about the Sockeye fishing this summer in Vancouver....and to keep this "Sockeye in Vancouver" thread alive !! ......remember its going to be August in a blink and we may have some great Sockeye fishing.....so get those leaders and hootchies tied up now. Check your pile of dummies and make sure all is ready to go! Here is a piece from Dave Korsch's most recent "Predator's Pen" newsletter ( I know he's ok with passing on this info to anyone who's interested) :

It is also looking as if we may have a decently strong Sockeye run this year, and it may even turn out to be almost as strong as that "bumper run" we had in 2006; therefore, we could see an extended opening with some good to excellent fishing for these prized fish. If you are interested in this fishery, it may be an idea to start thinking about it, as once it opens, and the run is on, I will book up extremely fast.


I have learned alot of my fishing skills from Dave and fishing Sockeye with him several years ago was not only fun but a great learning experience.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by Peahead

Just an FYI about the Sockeye fishing this summer in Vancouver....and to keep this "Sockeye in Vancouver" thread alive !! ......remember its going to be August in a blink and we may have some great Sockeye fishing.....so get those leaders and hootchies tied up now. Check your pile of dummies and make sure all is ready to go! Here is a piece from Dave Korsch's most recent "Predator's Pen" newsletter ( I know he's ok with passing on this info to anyone who's interested) :

It is also looking as if we may have a decently strong Sockeye run this year, and it may even turn out to be almost as strong as that "bumper run" we had in 2006; therefore, we could see an extended opening with some good to excellent fishing for these prized fish. If you are interested in this fishery, it may be an idea to start thinking about it, as once it opens, and the run is on, I will book up extremely fast.


I have learned alot of my fishing skills from Dave and fishing Sockeye with him several years ago was not only fun but a great learning experience.

Yep...Dave has a reputation of being dead on consistent and his use of dummy flashers is truly awesome..... keep a school on your boat...

Any group of anglers looking to have a blast without the boatwork and gearwork would be well advised to go with David Korsch. I know that Dave is always booked solid when it hits and some people book a month in advance...by that time it is usually slim pickins on booking.

I'm thinking on booking a work function with him for a couple of days in late August---that'd take the work off my plate and let me enjoy the scenery and beer or two.

 

[Peahead]

Hey FM, I am off work for last half of august ...if you don't have enough work people to fill dave's boat give me a shout ....I'd be happy to pay my share and join in....I don't even need to touch a rod or take any fish home .....just observe ....ok and drink beer with NO WORK !! !

 

[Peahead]

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

Not sure what anyone would complain about---legitimately hooked and angled Sockeye....limits for all on board...so what? I mean...with the flossers on the Fraser...I'd say there are easily 10000 flossed on an average day on the Fraser...never mind the poaching by the Natives and the truck loads which end up dumped in a ditch or shipped to Alberta and back east!!!

People need a reality check!!!!

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/victoria/Prized+sockeye+being+dumped/1786628/story.html

Prized sockeye being dumped</u>



By Quintin Winks, Alberni Valley Times July 13, 2009 12:01 PM



A cyclist discovered a dump of sockeye salmon near Shoemaker Bay last week.
Photograph by: Alberni Valley Times, Times Colonist
The dumping of perfectly edible salmon is prevalent in the Alberni Valley, prompted by over harvesting of a strong sockeye migration.

In the most recent example, a cyclist in the Shoemaker Bay area on Wednesday discovered between 50 and 60 whole sockeye dumped in the bush. This year's strong run is irresistible temptation for some fishermen and women to keep fishing until they have more than they can eat, fit in their freezer or give away, which can lead to illegal dumping.

Meanwhile, the price in grocery stores for sockeye is $2.39 per 100 grams.

While it's impossible to say who's responsible, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans often traces such offences back to the First Nations fishery. While the immediate problem can be linked to fish not being handled and cleaned promptly, iced and properly stored, it's as likely as not a symptom of differing opinions.

The First Nations have fishing rights as part of their ancient reliance on salmon in the coastal waterways. Meeting those rights each year during the salmon run, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans allocates a certain amount of fish for the food, social and ceremonial needs of. But the opinion of some First Nations residents is that their rights include sales of fish and an economic livelihood, said Jim Robson, fishery officer supervisor for the West Coast.

"We've allocated a large amount of fish to meet their needs, some would say a very large amount of fish to the point where how can they possibly use that amount of fish, but they're a large community," Robson said.

The desire to make money on the fish sometimes leads to overfishing. The First Nations fishery can have very high catches and difficulty handling the number of fish they get, especially when the fishery is very, very good, like it is this year, Robson said. If it's difficult to distribute the fish some may go bad, which leads to dumping.

"The wasting of fish is huge, it's a big concern," Robson said.

The Fishery Act prohibits wasting of edible fish and it forbids the sale of food, social and ceremonial fish at any time. It does so to prevent over harvesting, Robson said, and carries a penalty of a mandatory court appearance with a fine to be determined by the judge.

Yet sales continue and so does over harvesting, placing the sale of fish front and centre in the DFO's crosshairs.

In the past such sales were authorized. More recently the fishery was managed through other means. But lately it's been increasingly difficult to get to an agreement with the First Nations and allocation has been a big issue, Robson said.

"They want more fish because obviously the economics of sales is huge for the Valley and we recognize that, but as well we need to control well-managed fisheries," Robson continued. "And when you get a sales component in a fishery it encourages larger harvests. It's a balancing act on maximum economics and controlling harvest."

There are about 1,200 First Nations fishermen and women in the Alberni Valley and a bulletin issued by the DFO itemizes how much everyone has harvested so far.

Despite the DFO's best efforts the number of fish being dumped is increasing and officials are asking the public to report it.

"We have to report it so that at least it's documented," Robson said. Having those figures enables the DFO to count all fish so a tally can be applied to the counting of the run. That way officials know how much is caught and how much is spawned and "we can keep track to make sure there's no excess of harvest."

But for those who find themselves in possession of fish that can neither be given away nor eaten, there is an alternative to dumping. The Bread of Life Centre has just cleaned out one of its freezers and is more than happy to accept fish to feed those in need, said Cindy Sjoholm, the centre's executive director.

"Receiving fish wouldn't be a problem at all," Sjoholm said.

Robson at the DFO also supported the idea.

"Fish in excess of needs or storage capacity donated to the Bread of Life or food banks is welcomed," he said.

The desire to prevent fish being dumped in the forests throughout the Alberni Valley is not only driven by fragile salmon stocks, but also by the impact such attractants have on other wildlife.

Bears are a primary source of concern as they feed on the remains of the salmon. That's not only dangerous for those enjoying the bush, but also for the bears. It leads to habituation and more importantly, when the waste is dumped roadside, to animal-vehicle collisions.

© Copyright (c) The Victoria Times Colonist

 

[Peahead]

Looks like the numbers are up in approach areas for summer run - see topic "Van. Area Sockeye update"

 

[Peahead]

Might as well start this post going from last season - soon we'll start getting sockeye reports for Vancouver. Lots of Sockeye entering the river but we won't see good catches of sockeye until we get some big schools building off the mouth.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by Peahead

Might as well start this post going from last season - soon we'll start getting sockeye reports for Vancouver. Lots of Sockeye entering the river but we won't see good catches of sockeye until we get some big schools building off the mouth.

Some excellent numbers in the marine test fisheries now, we'll see what happens in the coming days and if that means much for us in the chuck.

 

[demco99]

Trolled for an hour Thursday evening, one sock. Hatchery too, never seen that.

 

[Duckman]

quote:Originally posted by demco99

Trolled for an hour Thursday evening, one sock. Hatchery too, never seen that.

Apparently those are from a Cultass Lake sockeye project. DFO encourages people to release them (but doesn't require it).

 

[Peahead]

Yeah I released a cultas ( hatchery clipped sockeye) last summer down at Sandheads. Landing constant pink after pink then sudenly a surprise sockeye and clipped to boot. My brother used to do much research and rehab on these Sockeye working at the Cultas lab for years. Good to see they are still around.