Single hook hoochy......

[Rum Buddies]

single hooks are the way to go. As said tandems cause too much damage but also the little piece of line between the hooks gets nicked very easy and then you have to retie the whole thing. If you get a nick on a siwash setup you can retie the whole setup in 1 minute. Losing time retying gear when the bite is on adds up to a lot of missed fish over the course of a season, every minute counts when the bite is on.

Look on any guide boat, 99% of them will have a single siwash hook. Look in the average newbs tackle box and its all tandem hooks - nuff said.

 

[Revenge]

Look on any guide boat, 99% of them will have a single siwash hook. Look in the average newbs tackle box and its all tandem hooks - nuff said.

Really ?

 

[Charter Tofino]

single hooks are the way to go. As said tandems cause too much damage but also the little piece of line between the hooks gets nicked very easy and then you have to retie the whole thing. If you get a nick on a siwash setup you can retie the whole setup in 1 minute. Losing time retying gear when the bite is on adds up to a lot of missed fish over the course of a season, every minute counts when the bite is on.

Look on any guide boat, 99% of them will have a single siwash hook. Look in the average newbs tackle box and its all tandem hooks - nuff said.

I use tandems on ECVI as we typically only have a few cracks at fish per outing and I rarely hook undersize. They are a hassle but I personally find the hookup ratio a bit better. There is no right or wrong, it's personal preference and each can have a time or place. When I guide wcvi it's all single siwash.

 

[Seafever]

Capt. Party Marty........if you have a "hard" bead ahead of the knot, not much can be done except take a really tiny drill and widen the hole in the bead out a bit (then sand off the burr and sharp edge on the hole in the bead you just made).

Or try using a small "gumpucky" instead of a bead. The eye of the barrel swivel should sink in to the gumpucky hole a little bit so the knot wouldn't mess you up.

 

[Seafever]

had a bout of OCD........so I made up these squid hoochies out of stuff I had laying around. Didn't do much to the The Turd except load it up with glow......

I put an oversize glow spin 'n ' glow head in the glow cuttlefish (took the wings off the spin'glo first) to make it look more "squiddy".

The others I cut the old squid body in half and filled it up with a normal glow hoochy (used beads to fill up the head space)...and then doctored the bodies with Sharpies.

One on the bottom is a Cuttlefish head cut down and then loaded with normal hoochy and glow squirt inside that. Color is Sharpies.

 

[Hit em Hard]

Hey Guy

I have been working on some hootchie rigs with a single siwash and a swivel followed up with a few glow beads to space the hook out towards the end of hootchie. What I have noticed is that if I pull on the leader my hook doesn't hang straight because the first bead is being push aside by my knot. I have been tying with this knot http://www.animatedknots.com/sandie...ge=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com. Is there a better knot which does't have the tag end coming out of the top which solves this problem?

Hello Captain
i use a normal clinch knot with 4 wraps (50 lb. test for hootchies) this way the tag end of the knot comes out the side. I also after trimming the tag end fairly close to the knot VERY CAREFULLY melt the end of the tag with a lighter. I've never had a knot fail on me.
h.e.h.

 

[jeffywestcoast]

Really enjoy seeing how the "pro's" do it, I use a single hook n swivel usually on hootchies, i like the idea of having the small wire to space the hook further out the tail of the hootchie, very interesting!, Sculpin, i agree 100 % about Gaff releasing the small ones at the side of the boat n using single hooks to prevent unneeded damage to the undersized fish, I think everyone should do this, lots of times i will find myself taking rigged hootchies apart to do away with the second hook.

 

[Rum Buddies]

Look on any guide boat, 99% of them will have a single siwash hook. Look in the average newbs tackle box and its all tandem hooks - nuff said.

Really ?

Hey if you feel using tandems works better for you and you're a guide then you must a 1 percenter - keep doing what works for you. One thing I've learned about fishing is that many fishermen mistake more complicated for more effective, its often not the case.

maybe its a bit too much of a blanket statement to say 99% of all guides but every guide I've worked with or met has only uses single siwash hooks. They hold better, they're stronger, sharpen better, last longer, you can retie faster and its easier to release small fish.
I see zero advantage to use tandems personally to each their own and all that...

 

[Revenge]

I think they both have there place but because a guy uses two hooks doesnt show he's a "newb" lol I and many people I know have logged alot of years on the chuck and i can tell you for sure you'll find both setups in my boat and theirs but we aren't all guides so ??

 

[Rum Buddies]

I think they both have there place but because a guy uses two hooks doesnt show he's a "newb" lol I and many people I know have logged alot of years on the chuck and i can tell you for sure you'll find both setups in my boat and theirs but we aren't all guides so ??

fair enough, if you get fish in the boat then that's all that matters.

Everybody that fishes tandems isn't a newb - but every newb fishes tanded hooks

 

[mikep]

Man i didn't know i was a newbie........crazy. I have always found tandems to hook up better but they are way more of a hassle to maintain and release fish from. Thats why i almost always used a single when guiding.......except onneedle fish hoochies as the single is too heavy.

 

[Revenge]

all on the same page lol

 

[Seafever]

Spoons only ever go with one hook....and nobody bats an eyelid about that.

So I'm not sure why hoochies ever required two. Since I went the way I'm tying 'em now I've gone 5 for 5 on my last fish. No escapees.

Some of the spoons the hooks aren't that big...even when changed out.

I think one hook off the back of the hoochy creates less drag than two in tandem due to lesser profile even the hook is bigger singly than two in tandem ( as long as it isn't "extreme" in size").

A big commie stainless waggling off the back of a hoochy might create more drag.....but apparently it works for them.

The standard needlefish hoochy rig is two 3/0's or smaller......I don't think a single 4/0 is going to mess it up too much really......but to each his own.....

 

[KCW]

In the future I can see DFO changing the reg's to one single hook!

 

[Rum Buddies]

.except onneedle fish hoochies as the single is too heavy.

It doesn't matter if its a needlefish or full size hootchy, the hootchy doesn't provide the action the flasher does. Its not like a spoon where a bigger hook would diminish the action. The flasher provides the same kick to the line whether there is a full size or needlefish hootchy attached. If anything the needlefish hootchy has less drag and weight so it can handle a little extra weight.

anyways, use what you like guys as long as you're catching fish.

 

[Seafever]

In my experience sometimes a big hook WILL diminish the action of a spoon......depends on what you're hooking up to what.....

 

[mikep]

I just never liked how a needle fish hoochie looked with a 6/0 single and swivel shoved into it. Always liked tandem owner 4/0 for that application. Poppa Swiss, you are correct that really the hoochie has little effect on the action overall and I am proably thinking about it too much. Those big singles sure do hold fish though.

 

[hambone]

3 and a half wraps on the flasher with tandem 4/0's facing opposite direction... Minimize the beads, skirts and all that junk... if fishing is slow shorten it up and consider stuffing it with an anchovy fillet.

Siwash or big single if there's lots of fish around.

 

[jeffywestcoast]

i have been swaping out my tandem hook hootchies for single siwash hooks on swivels , added some pearl beads and bead chains to some for spacing...tried saving some of the 4/0 hooks from the tandem set-up, everyone i tried to open the eye on broke...stupid cheap hooks... all mustad hooks now...

 

[spring fever]

JWC-You can almost never re- open a hook which had an open eye. Has nothing to do with cheap or not-has to do with the stress to the metal. Disaster awaits to all who try no matter the make!!!