Saltwater License Online
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tincan
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P52, agreed that the .pdf ability of the online license is probably the best perk of it. I've printed mini versions of my license (1/4 page sized) via the .pdf so that it easily fits in my wallet and I can have multiple copies on the boat, tackle box etc. Nice to have it on your phone in .pdf form as well just in case. I just email it to myself and then can 'search' for it if needed in a pinch. The online system for buying your licenses is still quite prehistoric and I've seen many people confused by it so hopefully they simplify things but at least they've realized that online is an option that many people prefer.
Knotty Seamen
Active Member
Ya online is way to go for sure... Can't tell you how many times I've put one through the wash and ruined it. Online it's as simple as saving and printing new one out when needed or multiple as other members have said to be stashed in everywhere!
scott craven
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Not sure if you know it, but legally you can only have one copy.
Your copy is the valid proof for Chinook, and Ling cod retention.
DFO would not take kindly to multiple copies with marks on them.
Your copy is the valid proof for Chinook, and Ling cod retention.
DFO would not take kindly to multiple copies with marks on them.
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
I am starting to hate the online copies. The second one just came out of the wash this morning. They don't fit in the wallet so in to the back pocket they go. I even had this one in a ziplock bag. This is driving my nuts.
geo_tonz
Member
PDFs
Any idea if the DFO would accept a PDF copy on a black berry in a pinch? It'd be a scanned copy of the signed license. This is the format it is delivered from DFO after all. I have my license on me all of the time but there's been more than once that I find out the wife took her's and the kids license out of her purse. I'd hang on to them but I end up with the "George Kastanza" wallet with 4 pieces of letter-size paper folded up in it for the once in a while when the kids and wife have time to go with me. I could just load copies of the scanned licenses on to my black berry so we're still legal if we're stopped in the event the paper copies are sitting at home on the dresser.
Thanks!
GT.
Any idea if the DFO would accept a PDF copy on a black berry in a pinch? It'd be a scanned copy of the signed license. This is the format it is delivered from DFO after all. I have my license on me all of the time but there's been more than once that I find out the wife took her's and the kids license out of her purse. I'd hang on to them but I end up with the "George Kastanza" wallet with 4 pieces of letter-size paper folded up in it for the once in a while when the kids and wife have time to go with me. I could just load copies of the scanned licenses on to my black berry so we're still legal if we're stopped in the event the paper copies are sitting at home on the dresser.
Thanks!
GT.
geo_tonz
Member
Well I have a proper paper licence and would record the fish on there but in the event that a license is forgotten any fish could be recorded on a sheet of paper and added to the licence later. The digital copy would be a backup only to prove that you have a valid license when you get stopped and discover your paper license is in your other pants. A back-up that might save a costly fine? And if you could surf to the DFO catch-log page on the blackberry/iPhone (if in cell range and if you update it) then you could show that too.
What'dya think? Probably far to techno-weinie for a dfo stop I guess.
What'dya think? Probably far to techno-weinie for a dfo stop I guess.
Pippen
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You just "add" the option.....it will ask you at some point during the process and it prints it directly on the license.
So thought I would bring this back from the dead as the time when all licenses are obtained online only is near. As a DFO license vendor for about 25 years I've just been asked by DFO if I want to continue to be an online vendor after March 31st.
So there is no longer a $1.00 paid to sell the license for DFO, I would use my computer, printer, paper and ink supplies, I' m assuming there would be no refunds for anyone buying a license the night before and then the morning trip is cancelled..
..which means I have to fight to get DFO's money and bare the wrath of pissed off customers. I may have to deal with up to 4 foreingners over the phone who speak very little English and who need my help getting the licenses....what a nightmare over the phone. There are no computers or printers dockside in Sooke where I'm moored so no ability to accommodate last minute impulse customers....anyway I'm fairly sure my answer to DFO is going to be no.
So there is no longer a $1.00 paid to sell the license for DFO, I would use my computer, printer, paper and ink supplies, I' m assuming there would be no refunds for anyone buying a license the night before and then the morning trip is cancelled..
..which means I have to fight to get DFO's money and bare the wrath of pissed off customers. I may have to deal with up to 4 foreingners over the phone who speak very little English and who need my help getting the licenses....what a nightmare over the phone. There are no computers or printers dockside in Sooke where I'm moored so no ability to accommodate last minute impulse customers....anyway I'm fairly sure my answer to DFO is going to be no.
Cuba Libre
Well-Known Member
I guess you have figured out that the Harper govt doesnt care one iota about you or your providing your customers a service. Too bad-- now if you had been a fish farmer-- that would have been different. They get paid for dead fish that they have in the pens, (at the taxpayers expense.........)
Sorry for being cynical... but I honestly cant think of a more destructive government in recent Canadian history
Sorry for being cynical... but I honestly cant think of a more destructive government in recent Canadian history
Doug
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Profisher
Even at receiving a $1 per license sold did not cover all the time you put in recording data and sending it into DFO. It was more of a conveyance for you clients, specially the older clients that have a hard time working a computer or even a cell phone.
Did you also note this clause in the DFO cover letter.
“The electronic issuance of licenses will NOT included a vendor commission ($1) however: participant may charge a service fee at their discretion to cover the cost of materials, hardware and service time”
With this additional cost approval it officially opens the door for venders to increase cost to whatever they want. At every vendor location the cost of a license will vary.
Stores or vendors that accept CC# for payment will be transferring the CC % cost, service time, paper cost, equipment use and ink cost to the consumer. Any business owner who purchases a product and sells that product at cost with no over head or profit will cost them $$ in the long run.
The vendor can always hope the person buying the license will purchase additional item while picking up the license but if the purchaser is going on a charter, fishing with a friend one day he probably only wants a license and nothing else. Most purchasing yearly licenses (locals) will buy their license on line at home. 80% of my licenses sold are for one day.
I can foresee license costs going up to cover additional costs, I know mine will or I will be directing clients to one of the local stores. I also foresee vendors selling licenses dropping.
One thing for sure is no more guys who forgot to buy their license the night before coming over to my boat at 0530 hrs to get a last minute license before they go out with others.
Even at receiving a $1 per license sold did not cover all the time you put in recording data and sending it into DFO. It was more of a conveyance for you clients, specially the older clients that have a hard time working a computer or even a cell phone.
Did you also note this clause in the DFO cover letter.
“The electronic issuance of licenses will NOT included a vendor commission ($1) however: participant may charge a service fee at their discretion to cover the cost of materials, hardware and service time”
With this additional cost approval it officially opens the door for venders to increase cost to whatever they want. At every vendor location the cost of a license will vary.
Stores or vendors that accept CC# for payment will be transferring the CC % cost, service time, paper cost, equipment use and ink cost to the consumer. Any business owner who purchases a product and sells that product at cost with no over head or profit will cost them $$ in the long run.
The vendor can always hope the person buying the license will purchase additional item while picking up the license but if the purchaser is going on a charter, fishing with a friend one day he probably only wants a license and nothing else. Most purchasing yearly licenses (locals) will buy their license on line at home. 80% of my licenses sold are for one day.
I can foresee license costs going up to cover additional costs, I know mine will or I will be directing clients to one of the local stores. I also foresee vendors selling licenses dropping.
One thing for sure is no more guys who forgot to buy their license the night before coming over to my boat at 0530 hrs to get a last minute license before they go out with others.
Excuse me for being cynical, but Justin and/or Mulchar will stick it far enuff up your butt that you will pray for Harpers return!
I have way too much time on my hands, now that I am retired.
You could fight politically through guide associations. However it would seem like our government does not give a rats azz about small business but has billions of your tax dollars to give away as corporate welfare, some of which always comes back to political parties and politicians one way or another, much more so in recent years. Just one of the mechanisms used to facilitate the wealth transfer from the middle class to the ultra wealthy that has taken place over the past couple of decades.
If you say no, will you not lose business?
Your practical options are to absorb the cost and take a decreased profit or pass it on to your customers by adding a fair processing fee to the license cost.
Low cost, highly portable, connected small computers, smart phones and printers are available and could give you a competitive advantage right at the boat. Hook it up to your 12 volt system. There should be an app developed for this by DFO. People are use to paying fees for things like using another banks, bank machine. Charge a healthy processing fee for this to pay for the connection, equipment and supplies..
If there were anger and complaints about a processing fee, you could, hopefully, and with some subtly, finesse and sometimes a little humor; defuse, refocus and transfer the blame and responsibility to the federal government that has cut services and transferred these costs to the client. Most understand the principle of government off loading costs and providing less for the taxes we pay them and love to blame the government for things like this.
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wolf
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YES i hear ya Rollie was thinking the same thing THE only thing I can see doing is taking the laptop or get one for the boat and a wireless modem down with one of those 99 buck wireless printers to cover our butt??? As Doug mentioned at 5:30 am what do you do as I have personally said to clients "MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A LICENCE" only to see them show up without one......
I did pose the question To DFO last year as there was case in courts about this very thing where a person downloaded a lic. on his smartphone phone and it was there just of course you cant record catch on it and the upper aboves him said that this is OK????
So i guess we will have to get clear instructions on what to do with this scenario??? again what a clusterf$$K......
I did pose the question To DFO last year as there was case in courts about this very thing where a person downloaded a lic. on his smartphone phone and it was there just of course you cant record catch on it and the upper aboves him said that this is OK????
So i guess we will have to get clear instructions on what to do with this scenario??? again what a clusterf$$K......
Something else has occurred to me. Wise Buys is open very early to accommodate the early morning fishermen. If they sell licenses or could be persuaded to and charge a processing fee if needed, you could have your clients stop there on the way. It is an easy pull off and on right on the road to Sooke and beside Micky D's so they could also pick up some brecky if they need it.
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It would be so much easier if they just do what they do in N & S Carolina and Florida....the boat owner pays an annual fee and anyone who fishes off that boat is automatically licensed. The operator then adds a per person fee to recover the annual cost. Here the captain would still have to record catch info and who caught it but it would be so much more efficient to just be able to hop on and go without the headaches. The boat is issued a sticker so enforcement people know they don't have to check licenses, they can just check limits.
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