ChinookExerciser
Active Member
Not surprised that Peter Kieit got the work there is only a few earth movers that have the resources to tackle a project that is likely to cost from a 100m to a billion.
Rock slide in Fraser River, B.C., may hinder salmon passage
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SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
So if they have hired someone to do it does that mean it will actually get done before 2020? You’d think this would be their number 1 priority considering how they apparently value upper fraser River stocks.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
This is not unexpected, There was a public meeting in december where they said that for the 2020 season they were looking at better options to get fish past the slide and that long term passage may take years,
The advantage they have this year is they will be able to move fresh fish past and not have thousands of stale fish that they have to move over and over again. Theses stocks wont be to a fishable level again for the rest of our lifetimes that is if some of them don't wink out.
The advantage they have this year is they will be able to move fresh fish past and not have thousands of stale fish that they have to move over and over again. Theses stocks wont be to a fishable level again for the rest of our lifetimes that is if some of them don't wink out.
Where and when was this meeting held? Where was it posted? Are they just hoping nobody notices or what? Moving fish proved to be totally useless and only a stop gap measure at best. Are we expected to just let the extinction of all those Wild salmon and steelhead runs without at the very least giving the area a big blast of boulder crushing dynamite? Nothing ventured nothing gained is the best we can do? Pretty pathetic and in my view unexceptable. Cannot believe the parties involved are not keeping the public fully updated with published reports.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
IT was posted everywhere Terrin it was even on most news networks. IT was the webex for contractors and the public was invited to listen in.
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/foru...tion-not-taken-this-winter.78055/#post-961240
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/foru...tion-not-taken-this-winter.78055/#post-961240
So the result of that meeting is "The slide is expected to prevent passage for most of the 2020 migration season". Unbelievable.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
No idea where that letter came from or what the crisis team did after that meeting.
Just know that they were looking at both short term passage and long term passage ideas and that the likelihood of a long term solution being done in the next few months was slim.
People are right to be furious about this going another full season is unacceptable.
Just know that they were looking at both short term passage and long term passage ideas and that the likelihood of a long term solution being done in the next few months was slim.
People are right to be furious about this going another full season is unacceptable.
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Fish Camp
Well-Known Member
On the west side of the river we seen salmon able to swim the rapids.why not build assemble a concrete fishladder in sections on land ,truck it to the slide site in pieces ,and air crane helicopter the pieces of large fish ladder into place.cement them together and cover the ladder with loose rock from the slide .i bet if they got started now the people could have it done in 3 months .
tincan
Well-Known Member
I heard that the Kiewit contract awarded was more in the $16M range for this. Who knows where things will end up but someone familiar with the work mentioned that figure to me.
GLG
Well-Known Member
Jan 18, 2020 Big Bar Landslide Update
Fraser River/Big Bar Landslide Fish Passage Remediation Project
Backgrounder
Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) is working with Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO), the Province of British Columbia and First Nations governments to improve fish passage in the Fraser River in response to a landslide near Big Bar, north of Lillooet, British Columbia, that was discovered in June 2019.
The remediation project will occur on the traditional territories of the Secwepemc Nation, specifically High Bar First Nation and Stswecem’c Xgat’tem First Nation. The contract includes an Indigenous Benefits Plan to provide socio-economic benefits to these two First Nations such as training, employment and sub-contracting for these communities.
Overview of Winter Work
Following a competitive process, Public Services and Procurement Canada, on behalf of Fisheries and Oceans Canada, awarded a contract of $17,631,250 to Peter Kiewit Sons ULC on December 31, 2019 for remediation work on the site. The contractor has commenced mobilization of personnel and necessary equipment and started working onsite as of January 14, 2020. Planned work at the site includes:
West Bank
Removal of loose rock and the installation of rock fall protection consisting of wire mesh anchored to the west bank cliff face to prevent loose rock from falling into the work areas below. To gain access to the boulders in the river channel, overland temporary access will be constructed to support hauling in heavy equipment.
East Toe
Drilling and blasting the rock along the east bank of the river (the East Toe) to increase the width of the river channel. The widening of this narrow part of river will help reduce the speed of the water in the area of the slide. This work is expected to be complete late February 2020. Some of this work is planned to occur in parallel with clearing the in-channel boulders and other debris.
Channel Work (In River)
Drilling and blasting large boulders that fell into the river channel as part of the slide, and removal of additional up-stream in-water slide material. The targeted substantial completion date for this work is March 15, 2020.
https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-...ndslide-fish-passage-remediation-project.html
Fraser River/Big Bar Landslide Fish Passage Remediation Project
Backgrounder
Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) is working with Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO), the Province of British Columbia and First Nations governments to improve fish passage in the Fraser River in response to a landslide near Big Bar, north of Lillooet, British Columbia, that was discovered in June 2019.
The remediation project will occur on the traditional territories of the Secwepemc Nation, specifically High Bar First Nation and Stswecem’c Xgat’tem First Nation. The contract includes an Indigenous Benefits Plan to provide socio-economic benefits to these two First Nations such as training, employment and sub-contracting for these communities.
Overview of Winter Work
Following a competitive process, Public Services and Procurement Canada, on behalf of Fisheries and Oceans Canada, awarded a contract of $17,631,250 to Peter Kiewit Sons ULC on December 31, 2019 for remediation work on the site. The contractor has commenced mobilization of personnel and necessary equipment and started working onsite as of January 14, 2020. Planned work at the site includes:
West Bank
Removal of loose rock and the installation of rock fall protection consisting of wire mesh anchored to the west bank cliff face to prevent loose rock from falling into the work areas below. To gain access to the boulders in the river channel, overland temporary access will be constructed to support hauling in heavy equipment.
East Toe
Drilling and blasting the rock along the east bank of the river (the East Toe) to increase the width of the river channel. The widening of this narrow part of river will help reduce the speed of the water in the area of the slide. This work is expected to be complete late February 2020. Some of this work is planned to occur in parallel with clearing the in-channel boulders and other debris.
Channel Work (In River)
Drilling and blasting large boulders that fell into the river channel as part of the slide, and removal of additional up-stream in-water slide material. The targeted substantial completion date for this work is March 15, 2020.
https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-...ndslide-fish-passage-remediation-project.html
GLG
Well-Known Member
Minister Jordan pushes forward with next phase of Big Bar landslide response
News release
January 17, 2020 - Kamloops, BC – The Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard, and Terry Beech, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister and Member of Parliament for Burnaby North-Seymour, met with the High Bar and Stswecem'c Xgat'tem Nations, and the Fraser Salmon Management Council yesterday. They also visited the Big Bar Landslide site.
Minister Jordan saw first hand the ongoing work to address the slide and reaffirmed that Peter Kiewit Sons ULC will be undertaking the extensive remediation efforts at the site through the winter months. The remediation work will include breaking up and removing rock debris from the landslide to improve passage for salmon and steelhead stocks during the upcoming migration season. This project will begin immediately and will continue through to the end of March 2020.
The Minister also announced two technical working groups of experts from governments, stakeholders, non-profit organizations, and academia, that will help inform comprehensive contingency and remediation plans for alternate fish passage methods and conservation-based enhancement. Additional options for safe fish passage are being developed in case the height or water velocity presents a barrier to certain salmon populations during the early part of the 2020 migration season.
The Big Bar Landslide, located on a remote section of the Fraser River, 64 kilometres north of Lillooet, British Columbia created a barrier to the vital seasonal northward Fraser salmon migration. It was the focus of an unprecedented emergency response over the summer of 2019, led through trilateral collaboration with federal, provincial and First Nations governments, supported by other agencies, stakeholder groups, and geotechnical and hydrological experts. This governance model will continue into 2020 as work continues on the Big Bar Landslide site.
Quotes
“We know how integral these salmon stocks are to our ecosystem and to the communities up and down the Fraser River. We’re moving swiftly with the next phase of our response, in collaboration with First Nations, the Province of BC, and industry partners, and are hopeful this will lead to a lasting solution for safe fish passage. With the establishment of two new technical working groups, it’s all hands on deck, as we continue working together to protect and restore the health of wild Pacific salmon stocks.”
The Honourable Bernadette Jordan
Minister of Fisheries, Oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard
“Our government understands the urgency of this situation and is mobilizing resources to ensure work is done quickly and efficiently. The team at Peter Kiewit Sons ULC is doing challenging and important work, and I am confident in their ability to deliver this extensive winter remediation work. I commend such widespread collaboration on such a crucial issue for the region and for our Canadian ecosystem.”
The Honourable Anita Anand
Minister of Public Services and Procurement
“We are happy that work is now moving forward to help the fish move past the landslide, always keeping in mind worker safety. It is important to recognize moving forward what we are doing together here can be an example of true government-to-government cooperation, if we do it right. “
Chief Roy Fletcher, High Bar First Nation
“We recognize a lot of people are relying on us to get this done. As First Nations, our identities rely on these salmon; we have a long shared history with both the salmon and the Fraser River itself. It is crucial this be done in partnership, and the Big Bar Landslide response is a good test for how government can recognize the rights, title and responsibilities of the Secwepemc Nation.”
Chief Harry Patrick, Stswecem’c Xgat’tem First Nation
“Ensuring the long-term sustainability of British Columbia’s key salmon runs is a priority for the Province. This contract agreement will enable remediation work to take place while there is low water flow in the river, so we can improve passage for fish to reach their spawning grounds and give the best chance of survival to the fish stocks.”
The Honourable Doug Donaldson
Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development
Quick facts
https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-...next-phase-of-big-bar-landslide-response.html
News release
January 17, 2020 - Kamloops, BC – The Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard, and Terry Beech, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister and Member of Parliament for Burnaby North-Seymour, met with the High Bar and Stswecem'c Xgat'tem Nations, and the Fraser Salmon Management Council yesterday. They also visited the Big Bar Landslide site.
Minister Jordan saw first hand the ongoing work to address the slide and reaffirmed that Peter Kiewit Sons ULC will be undertaking the extensive remediation efforts at the site through the winter months. The remediation work will include breaking up and removing rock debris from the landslide to improve passage for salmon and steelhead stocks during the upcoming migration season. This project will begin immediately and will continue through to the end of March 2020.
The Minister also announced two technical working groups of experts from governments, stakeholders, non-profit organizations, and academia, that will help inform comprehensive contingency and remediation plans for alternate fish passage methods and conservation-based enhancement. Additional options for safe fish passage are being developed in case the height or water velocity presents a barrier to certain salmon populations during the early part of the 2020 migration season.
The Big Bar Landslide, located on a remote section of the Fraser River, 64 kilometres north of Lillooet, British Columbia created a barrier to the vital seasonal northward Fraser salmon migration. It was the focus of an unprecedented emergency response over the summer of 2019, led through trilateral collaboration with federal, provincial and First Nations governments, supported by other agencies, stakeholder groups, and geotechnical and hydrological experts. This governance model will continue into 2020 as work continues on the Big Bar Landslide site.
Quotes
“We know how integral these salmon stocks are to our ecosystem and to the communities up and down the Fraser River. We’re moving swiftly with the next phase of our response, in collaboration with First Nations, the Province of BC, and industry partners, and are hopeful this will lead to a lasting solution for safe fish passage. With the establishment of two new technical working groups, it’s all hands on deck, as we continue working together to protect and restore the health of wild Pacific salmon stocks.”
The Honourable Bernadette Jordan
Minister of Fisheries, Oceans, and the Canadian Coast Guard
“Our government understands the urgency of this situation and is mobilizing resources to ensure work is done quickly and efficiently. The team at Peter Kiewit Sons ULC is doing challenging and important work, and I am confident in their ability to deliver this extensive winter remediation work. I commend such widespread collaboration on such a crucial issue for the region and for our Canadian ecosystem.”
The Honourable Anita Anand
Minister of Public Services and Procurement
“We are happy that work is now moving forward to help the fish move past the landslide, always keeping in mind worker safety. It is important to recognize moving forward what we are doing together here can be an example of true government-to-government cooperation, if we do it right. “
Chief Roy Fletcher, High Bar First Nation
“We recognize a lot of people are relying on us to get this done. As First Nations, our identities rely on these salmon; we have a long shared history with both the salmon and the Fraser River itself. It is crucial this be done in partnership, and the Big Bar Landslide response is a good test for how government can recognize the rights, title and responsibilities of the Secwepemc Nation.”
Chief Harry Patrick, Stswecem’c Xgat’tem First Nation
“Ensuring the long-term sustainability of British Columbia’s key salmon runs is a priority for the Province. This contract agreement will enable remediation work to take place while there is low water flow in the river, so we can improve passage for fish to reach their spawning grounds and give the best chance of survival to the fish stocks.”
The Honourable Doug Donaldson
Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development
Quick facts
- DFO was notified of a landslide near Big Bar, British Columbia on June 23, 2019.
- In early September trap and transfer, plus lower water levels combined with the partial re-establishment of natural fish passage, resulted in thousands of salmon migrating above the slide site.
- Since October of 2019, when the emergency response transitioned to an ongoing project response, work has continued to prepare for major winter rock remediation work. A specialized excavator continued rock manipulation to improve access to the site, geotechnical and hydrological experts regularly monitored slope stability and water levels, engineering design work was undertaken, and archeological assessment work is underway in partnership with local First Nations.
- On December 31, 2019, Public Services and Procurement Canada, on behalf of Fisheries and Oceans Canada, awarded a contract of $17.6 million to Peter Kiewit Sons ULC for remediation work on the site. This work is expected to be substantially completed by the spring freshet, which is currently anticipated to take place in mid-to-late March 2020
https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-...next-phase-of-big-bar-landslide-response.html
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
Good to see completion date is for mid March. That’d be a huge relief, and good for sports fishing to perhaps stop any further cuts. With that being said I have a feeling we won’t know regs till after that date to ensure it actually gets complete before regs released. Late announcement again I’m sure
OldBlackDog
Well-Known Member
One wonders what Sara thinks of this?
There are over 70 individual Chinook populations that are genetically distinct, effected by this slide.
They were in trouble before the slide happened.
Do you think DFO and scientists will actually save these fish or are they just like the Thompson Steelhead?
To much of a pain to deal with so let’s let them expire!
If these were Polar Bears or whales do you really think this would be happening?
There are over 70 individual Chinook populations that are genetically distinct, effected by this slide.
They were in trouble before the slide happened.
Do you think DFO and scientists will actually save these fish or are they just like the Thompson Steelhead?
To much of a pain to deal with so let’s let them expire!
If these were Polar Bears or whales do you really think this would be happening?
ChinookExerciser
Active Member
Their scope of work is tiny, blast the toe and remove some rock. This will be in the 100's of millions when its done right.
OldBlackDog
Well-Known Member
It has been estimated that the volume of rock displaced into the river is approximately the same as the Hell’s Gate slide.
There are engineers who worked on the slide last year that believe that blasting the east toe could provide full passage. It was not a consensus, but based on the fine line in water levels for fish to pass, there is some hope that if that abutment is blasted out, we could see significantly increased passage.
ChinookExerciser
Active Member
Yes we could see significant passage but no nearly what it was. Also under raised in river temperatures this obstruction even after the removal of the toe could still have significant mortality.
We really not need two hells gates in the fraser river
We really not need two hells gates in the fraser river
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Noting that the cold weather has hampered the efforts to deal with the slide, the new Fisheries Minister could not miss an opportunity to put a positive spin on the matter:
"It's just such an inaccessible area and it's been a gargantuan effort between the federal government the provincial government and First Nations," Donaldson said. "The relationships built between those three levels of government has been amazing."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/big-bar-landslide-winter-1.5440377
Unfortunately if those words were true, we would be one hell of a lot further along in dealing with the matter...
Nog
"It's just such an inaccessible area and it's been a gargantuan effort between the federal government the provincial government and First Nations," Donaldson said. "The relationships built between those three levels of government has been amazing."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/big-bar-landslide-winter-1.5440377
Unfortunately if those words were true, we would be one hell of a lot further along in dealing with the matter...
Nog
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