Release Your Big Springs?

Sharphooks

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jun/25/cod-shrinking-size-overfishing-study

I’m guessing that anybody who frequents this site who has had a few years of Central Coast (Rivers etc) and North Coast under their belt will have noticed the drop-off in size of the July and August springs. Tyees used to be an expected size grade during those months with maybe a 40 or a 50 if you put in enough hours. Sooner or later you’d get your slab.

But for the last few seasons, based on my experience and anecdotal reports from friends, a mid-20 spring is now reason to celebrate…..and you have to weed through lots of teeners to raise your glass to even that size spring.

I used to think it was environmental reasons—- more competition for feed from hatchery fish navigating the same Pacific gyre as the wild fish. Warming trends in the top layers of water with the subtle changes of dissolved oxygen and decreased Ph etc etc that might effect fitness.

But the study conducted on Barents Sea Atlantic cod seems to throw in another genetic component that might not be quite so obvious—-weeding the larger springs out of the gene pool with rod and reel with the resulting overall decrease in size of the fish we release and leave to spawn.

A decade ago I put a 60+ into my boat. When giving that fish the wood shampoo I vowed I’d never do it again. The main (selfish) reason —-trying to deal with that much fish in a small boat during an extended trip tended pretty much put an end to the trip. But there was also that nagging suspicion that I was removing some valuable genetic stuff from the pool.

To this day, I haven’t had the opportunity to make that same decision on whether or not to keep a slab like that one particular fish, though since that slab a decade ago I have cut loose fish 35+/- just because they came too early in the trip. However, in the last few years, I’ve been content just to get a mid-twenty spring….

Now, after reading that Barents SEa study, I’ll have a bit more reason to walk the straight and narrow with C&R when seeing a large wild fish lolling in the water at the gunnel of my boat like that fish a decade ago…..and it would no doubt be a huge bonus, privilege ( and surprise) to even have the opportunity to make the decision to release a fish that size…
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jun/25/cod-shrinking-size-overfishing-study

I’m guessing that anybody who frequents this site who has had a few years of Central Coast (Rivers etc) and North Coast under their belt will have noticed the drop-off in size of the July and August springs. Tyees used to be an expected size grade during those months with maybe a 40 or a 50 if you put in enough hours. Sooner or later you’d get your slab.

But for the last few seasons, based on my experience and anecdotal reports from friends, a mid-20 spring is now reason to celebrate…..and you have to weed through lots of teeners to raise your glass to even that size spring.

I used to think it was environmental reasons—- more competition for feed from hatchery fish navigating the same Pacific gyre as the wild fish. Warming trends in the top layers of water with the subtle changes of dissolved oxygen and decreased Ph etc etc that might effect fitness.

But the study conducted on Barents Sea Atlantic cod seems to throw in another genetic component that might not be quite so obvious—-weeding the larger springs out of the gene pool with rod and reel with the resulting overall decrease in size of the fish we release and leave to spawn.

A decade ago I put a 60+ into my boat. When giving that fish the wood shampoo I vowed I’d never do it again. The main (selfish) reason —-trying to deal with that much fish in a small boat during an extended trip tended pretty much put an end to the trip. But there was also that nagging suspicion that I was removing some valuable genetic stuff from the pool.

To this day, I haven’t had the opportunity to make that same decision on whether or not to keep a slab like that one particular fish, though since that slab a decade ago I have cut loose fish 35+/- just because they came too early in the trip. However, in the last few years, I’ve been content just to get a mid-twenty spring….

Now, after reading that Barents SEa study, I’ll have a bit more reason to walk the straight and narrow with C&R when seeing a large wild fish lolling in the water at the gunnel of my boat like that fish a decade ago…..and it would no doubt be a huge bonus, privilege ( and surprise) to even have the opportunity to make the decision to release a fish that size…
The large genetic stock is still around..... Just been transplanted to South America. Have a look at some of the history of the
Pacific Coast salmon stock that was sent down south.......


 
Ya I was posting about our Spring salmon in the great lakes... doing well there and South America as well. Very very resilient fish, we need to let them get fatter, more big bait fish needed - we depleted the pilchards and have herring stocks at a fragment of the past.
 
Ya I was posting about our Spring salmon in the great lakes... doing well there and South America as well. Very very resilient fish, we need to let them get fatter, more big bait fish needed - we depleted the pilchards and have herring stocks at a fragment of the past.
Or possibly bringing back some of the genetic’s from South America.
The fish sent down were from pacific coast
Rivers
 
if big is now 20+, and you are saying release the big ones? are you saying release the 20+ ones?
 
Or... do we bring the Fisheries conservation from South America up here? They support sport fishing down there big time and have big salmon... :D

Have a look at the link below..... the expansion range of salmon in South America from 1979 - 2005
Ad another 20 years to bring their range up to date and that would be a lot of rivers and ocean that
now contain the great west coast salmon that were once here

Maybe in another 50-100 year they will find their way home to the pacific north west


 
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. Why is it up to the sporty to conserve or sustain the fishery. When comercial boats start catch and release style fishing maybe we should to. I’ll just about guarantee you the average comercial boat kills more 30 plus pound fish in a couple seasons than any of us would in a life time. I have been fishing salmon for coming on 50 years now and have never broke 35 lbs the day I do you expect me to throw it back, that one 35 lb fish I might get and keep will sustain the fishery, I don’t think so. Not saying not to, if that’s your thing then by all means go for it, but if you choose to keep it and it’s legal, good on yah too.
 
I know I would have a hard time releasing a big fish however with the comeback of coho and lots of 12-18 pound springs around I would release it. Caught lots of 30-35 in Nootka when that was the norm and as table fair not that good. The fight is what it is all about.
Released an est 36 at Nanoose and it never left the water. Awesome fight and even better watching it swim away.
It is a personal choice and if a guy gets a fish of the lifetime that is there decision not mine and happy they do what they want
 
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