Northern Gateway APPROVED

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Another day another lawsuit....
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/busi...+approval+Northern+Gateway/9401141/story.html

Maybe this is a plant in the JRP by someone on the panel or it could be incompetence at it's finest.
The panel had always insisted that climate change questions were outside its mandate, and, in its report, the panelists also argued there wasn't a clear connection between Gateway and the booming oilsands.

"We did not consider that there was a sufficiently direct connection between the project and any particular existing or proposed oilsands development or other oil production activities to warrant consideration of the effects of these activities," they wrote. The panelists cited, as evidence to back up this assertion, that the pipeline proponent didn't signal an intention to develop oilsands resources.They also noted that the pipeline starting point at Bruderheim, near Edmonton, "would not be located near oilsands developments and could receive oil from a variety of sources." Yet in the same report, panelists cited testimony from project advocates directly linking Northern Gateway to the oilsands industry in order to back up their argument that the project was in Canada's economic self-interest. "Those arguing in favour of the project said bitumen production was growing faster than upgrading capacity in Canada. . . . To obtain full value, they said, bitumen would need to reach complex refineries beyond those currently served in the North-Central and Gulf Coast regions of the United States. The next-nearest concentration of complex refineries is in East Asia, mainly in China. "They said Northern Gateway would provide a relatively short and direct route to East Asia as well as access to other refining markets such as India and California."
 
Well like I said boys,, as far as the pipeline goes that is totally the people's choice,, it's your ground it's your property,,

Ya right! The people of BC have already spoken and its clear a majority are against the pipeline. We have been told its up to Ottawa and its true.

I was reading a interesting article last week. Apparently your ground isn't your property if the government of Canada wants it. You can give in a sell or it can be seized. http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/10/01/...-though-military-grants-him-one-last-harvest/
 
Maddening but that is a fact.
 
Didn't read a single word of your novel. Get a life, go fishing...

I am not surprised at all.
Since your contribution to intelligent debate and discourse on here is usually limited to "Munch munch" and similar insightful comments, I am sure your attention span would never last for a proper post, let alone actually taking a read around the NASA climate change site. That way you can continue to ignore the evidence and pretend it isn't there!

http://climate.nasa.gov/
 
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/01/1...eadlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=200114

If Every Norwegian's a Millionaire, Why's Alberta in Hock?

Norway cut a proper deal with oil corporations. Canadians got screwed.

By Mitchell Anderson, 15 Jan 2014, TheTyee.ca


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Feeling poor? A recent news item showed that Norway's massive pot of petroleum money, now totaling CA$909.364 billion, has made every citizen a millionaire in Norwegian kroner. That works out to about $178,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. By contrast, every Canadian lumbers under an individual debt of $17,000 as Ottawa is in hock to the tune of $600 billion.

Not only is Norway ahead of Canada by $1.5 trillion, it has fully funded social programs that Canadians can only dream of.* Norwegians enjoy universal day care, free university tuition, per capita spending on health care 30 per cent higher than Canada and 25 days of paid vacation every year. By owning 70 per cent of their own oil production and taxing oil revenues at close to 80 per cent, Norway is now saving about $1 billion per week.

The so-called "Calgary School" of economic thought would say this stunning socialist success story is impossible in the same way that scientists used to believe that bumblebees cannot fly. Out in the real world, Canada is being trounced on the field of comparative fiscal management.

Last year, the Fort McMurray School District voted on a proposal to shorten the school week to four days. Why? Because the communities that include some of the largest petroleum reserves on the planet couldn't afford school bus drivers five days a week. The motion was voted down not because this situation is insanely stupid, but because trustees worried that tar sands workers couldn't access daycare during a shortened school week.

Misguided true believers

Alberta has run consecutive budget deficits since 2008 and since then has burned through $15 billion of its sustainability fund. In spite of Alberta's vast petroleum wealth, the province has not contributed a penny to the now moribund Alberta Heritage Fund since 1987. The belief that all tax is bad has led Canada's three western provinces to the bizarre position where they proudly collect less resource revenues on behalf of their citizens than any other jurisdiction in North America.






In spite of this remarkable fiscal failure, Alberta true believers are having another round of ideological Kool-Aid. The Canadian Taxpayers Federation has just launched a provincial debt clock while at the same time campaigning against tax increases. They calculate Alberta's debt at more than $7 billion and increasing by $11 million every day. In socialist Norway, national wealth is heading in the opposite direction at more than 10 times that rate, with savings of $142 million per day.

The anti-tax worldview has migrated from Calgary to Ottawa, where it is being imposed on the rest of the country. In 2009, Prime Minister Harper stated flatly, "I don't believe any taxes are good taxes." Not merely a remarkably ignorant statement from someone who holds a Masters degree in economics, this position indicates Canada's elected leader is opposed to the very project of government -- not unlike hiring a hijacker as an airline pilot.

True to his ideology, Harper's collective cuts to the GST, corporate taxes and personal income taxes now total about $45 billion per year in forgone government revenue. Canada is eliminating up to 30,000 public sector jobs in a supposed effort to balance the budget and currently collects less public revenue as a proportion of GDP than even the U.S.

This austerity program seems to extend to virtually every government program except those promoting resource extraction and hectoring environmental groups. Ottawa is spending $22 million to hire a high-priced ad firm to promote the Alberta oil sands. Last year, the Harper government somehow found an extra $8 million in a belt-tightening budget to have the Canada Revenue Agency investigate non-profits for inappropriate political lobbying (they found nothing). Meanwhile, Canadians are told we can no longer afford mail delivery.

I had the privilege of travelling to Norway in 2012 to research a series for The Tyee on the country's remarkable petroleum success story. Many of the experts I interviewed expressed surprise and sadness that Canada had not done more with our vast resource wealth. One veteran oil engineer said, "We had oil, but you have oil and everything else."

Our national niceness seems to have infused our dealings with resource interests, whereas Norway's Viking chutzpah allowed them to negotiate much tougher terms with the world's most powerful industrial sector.

This prophetic cultural divide has left our remarkably lucky country -- blessed with everything from potash to diamonds -- slashing services and public sector jobs in an effort balance the books. Meanwhile in Norway, every citizen just became a millionaire.

*Correction: Jan. 17 at 12 p.m. Figure changed from $1.4 trillion to $1.5 trillion. [Tyee]


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You seem to have a lot of time on our hands, writing novels on this forum. You should make a sign and parade around with the welfare bum protesters!
Oh your a clever one
What's wrong with you.
You just got insults and no arguments?
You do know that it's a sign of a weakness don't you.

Yup I have sometime to spend since I retired.
Yup I can stand up to the likes of you.
That's part of the problem in Canada right now.
Guy's like you think you know everything, but you don't.
It shows in spades....
I'm going to protect our Ocean, Air and People.
If I have to counter your insults with facts so be it.
I have stood up to tougher guy's then you.


FS you bet
 
I am not surprised at all.
Since your contribution to intelligent debate and discourse on here is usually limited to "Munch munch" and similar insightful comments, I am sure your attention span would never last for a proper post, let alone actually taking a read around the NASA climate change site. That way you can continue to ignore the evidence and pretend it isn't there!

http://climate.nasa.gov/

Like bringing the proverbial knife to a gun fight. LOL

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Here's one for you patch dudes!
 
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Oh your a clever one
What's wrong with you.
You just got insults and no arguments?
You do know that it's a sign of a weakness don't you.

Yup I have sometime to spend since I retired.
Yup I can stand up to the likes of you.
That's part of the problem in Canada right now.
Guy's like you think you know everything, but you don't.
It shows in spades....
I'm going to protect our Ocean, Air and People.
If I have to counter your insults with facts so be it.
I have stood up to tougher guy's then you.


FS you bet
Dude. Post away. Doesn't matter what you,I or anyone else thinks or has to say. Harper and Big oil run this country.
 
200 kilometer an hour winds registerd in lac la biche last week.. Mother Nature is angry here....

Stay safe and warm so you can get out and drown some flies soon!

On a side note, my previous post is meant to bring some levity to this debate.

I have stated on here before that I rarely engage in this type of debate online as I have not done my research on both sides of the issue whether it be fish farms or oil sands. For me to comment would not move the conversation forward and those that try to engage by taking pot shots at members or resort to shallow, polarized opinions make themselves look bad.

I appreciate all those on both sides that can engage in a meaningful way, otherwise it's just cheerleading.

One thing is clear to me though. I sincerely hope those that get fat pay cheques from the Alberta oil industry to feed their families will continue to enjoy that, but at some point if we don't see the big picture and do our individual part to reduce carbon, those big cheques might not be around for long.
 
One answer for all.
 

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Got Neil.....
Old Neil got you down soxy?

Well the Calgary Herald has Neil... in fact there is a poll there right now.
Yea you can vote for or against Neil right... right there, if you lean that way.
And that paper leans that way.... Funny thing with that poll you should view the results.
So far 75% agree with Neil... I guess Calgary's got Neil.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/a...l+Young+attacking+oilsands/9380519/story.html
 
http://www.thewire.com/politics/201...nds-gulf-coast-complete/357285/#disqus_thread

The Oil Pipeline from the Canadian Tar Sands to the Gulf Coast Is Complete

And Alberta got another pipeline spill right now.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1101181/pipeline-spills-produced-water-northwest-of-edmonton/


Another day another 2 spills....
What's this...
For the last 37 years Alberta has an average of 2 crude oil spills a day.
http://globalnews.ca/news/571494/introduction-37-years-of-oil-spills-in-alberta/

And you think it's a good idea to run a pipeline across 1000 salmon streams and rivers to ship it to China.... Give your head a shake.
 
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