Next round of closures SRKW related

ENGO groups will soon have all of society living in solar powered test tubes looking out at the outside world. It’s getting beyond ridiculous. I don’t like how people, even our own people are talking like chinook are going extinct, we need to turn this propaganda around. As for the forecasts they always seem like a bit of a gamble, I recall the sockeye forecast for 2010 wasn’t great but ended up being the biggest run on record. That’s great news for this chinook forecast let’s hope it holds true. I also find it so hard to believe the whales are starving.
 
I posted this on another thread, but it's just as relevant on this one:

Notice that the new forecast is for much higher returns...hoping the ENGO's crowd doesn't start telling fables connecting the higher returns to the Fraser to fishing restrictions...there are more coming than originally forecast.

2019 New Forecast:

Fraser Early - 138,333 (2019 forecast), which is 163.95% larger than 2018 observed (84,373)

Fraser Late - 126,343 (2019 forecast), which is 155.21% larger than 2018 observed (81,399)

The 2019 forecast returning chinook to Fraser and Puget Sound (food available to SRKW) = 571,816 Chinook

Caloric Intake requirements for SRKW are per Noren (2010):

16,386 Kcal/Chinook
82 SRKW (yes I'm over-estimating the population) caloric requirements are 792 to 951 Chinook/day
SRKW are present approximately 150 days
Taking the high end of the estimated Chinook as prey requirement to sustain 82 SKRW range here's the calculation:

951 Chinook x 150 days = 142,500 Chinook required to meet caloric intake requirement to sustain SRKW

That is 25% of the entire 571,816 Chinook that will be swimming around within the key SRKW forage areas....so if SRKW are "starving" they must be pretty darn poor hunters...or is it there are way too many vessels in close proximity preventing SRKW from finding their prey?

This is great news but are these numbers for the age 4 and age 5 chinook because if they include 3 year olds then your calculations would be out.
 
Listen to this comment was just posted on Salish Sea Orcas Facebook site. I assume this is from Scott Wallace with some input from others like Greg Taylor:

David Suzuki Foundation senior science and policy analyst has reviewed the proposed measures.

Here’s a summary of his answers to the consultation survey: Questions 1 and 2 ask about the social, environmental, cultural and economic benefits and impacts of the proposed measures.

• The short-term economic challenges from reduced fishing and restricted whale-watching are far outweighed by the benefits of southern resident orca and chinook salmon recovery.

• Southern resident orcas and the chinook salmon they depend on for food are in a state of crisis. Insufficient measures could risk keeping the whales on the path to extinction, which would be devastating to Western Canada economically, ecologically and culturally.

Questions 3 and 4 ask if there are ways to improve or add to the proposed measures:

• I support measures to limit fishing on threatened and endangered Fraser River chinook stocks to less than five per cent. Allowing chinook to survive to spawn or feed an endangered whale is the most important action the government can take to help resident orcas in the short term.

• The proposed 2019 measures are overly complicated and the “scenarios” presented don’t provide adequate protection for southern resident orcas.

• All key foraging habitat, as designated by DFO’s own science, should be closed to ALL salmon fishing from May 1 to September 30. There is no scientific basis for avoiding this level of protection for all key foraging habitat.

• All small vessels, including whale-watching and fishing vessels, should be subject to a minimum distance of 400 metres or greater to ensure vessel noise and disturbance do not interfere with feeding and other critical behaviours. Those vessels without the ability to distinguish between southern residents and other orcas should be required stay 400 metres from all orcas.
 
There is a very large extinction event about to happen to BC. =Rec fisher's will soon be gone. Cant reason with crazy, Suzuki and his nuts have the whole picture. They want no rec fishing.

HM
 
“Insufficient measures could risk keeping the whales on the path to extinction, which would be devastating to Western Canada economically, ecologicallyand culturally. “

Devastating to Western Canada economically, what the hell do they think closing salmon to the people is going to do. A side from whale watching outfits, just how are orcas an economic benefit to B.C ? I guess they justified the existence of ENGO groups for many years. These people should be ashamed, using their fancy scientists, doctors, professors or what ever, to mislead the general public to benefit politically and justify their own existence
 
“Insufficient measures could risk keeping the whales on the path to extinction, which would be devastating to Western Canada economically, ecologicallyand culturally. “

Devastating to Western Canada economically, what the hell do they think closing salmon to the people is going to do. A side from whale watching outfits, just how are orcas an economic benefit to B.C ? I guess they justified the existence of ENGO groups for many years. These people should be ashamed, using their fancy scientists, doctors, professors or what ever, to mislead the general public to benefit politically and justify their own existence
that's why I have been going after them on the forums - they have to be challenged IMH - just leave them be to spew whatever they want, the sheep will keep donating and give them a continued financial backing. Discredit or even create doubt though, maybe they spend their cash elsewhere. I think all of us should be sitting on their feeds to keep them honest! Salish Sea Orcas, Georgia Strait Alliance, David Suzuki Foundation, Watershed Watch Salmon Society are the main culprits on FB
 
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/foru...ng-has-little-effect-on-resident-orcas.49592/

Just happened to get onto this old thread from 2012 while searching google for some info. Amazing to see what we were discussing with regards to SRKW and the threats of sanctuaries (CH) back then and closures to areas to fish due to apparent SRKW on th decline back 7 years ago. Amazing to reas through some of the comments and know how we've gone where some of the posts predicted.
 
wow, Salish Sea Orcas FB just deleted all my posts and blocked me (of which maybe one was being a bit too much of a jerk in my calling them out (I believe 'get real' was my comment)!)
Guess if your comments don't suit there agenda, the boot u get! What a joke.
 
wow, Salish Sea Orcas FB just deleted all my posts and blocked me (of which maybe one was being a bit too much of a jerk in my calling them out (I believe 'get real' was my comment)!)
Guess if your comments don't suit there agenda, the boot u get! What a joke.

When you are running sites to present a limited point of view and solicit donations you don't want to be subject to debate, review or any form of critique. There income is based on the visitors buying their information without question. If you want to go full information cyber warrior like the professionals., you could always get yourself a few VPN's, change your location and re-register under different user names.
 
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When you are running sites to present a limited point of view and solicit donations you don't want to be subject to debate, review or any form of critique. There income is based on the visitors buying their information without question. If you want to go full information cyber warrior like the professionals., you could always get yourself a few VPN's, change your location and re-register under different user names.
exactly...that is my attempt by spending all the time with the replies - discredit them in hopes to cut off their cash supply - we all need to do that or we will never get out of this hole. Usually they had been ok and left all discussion points alone, but I guess I threw enough arguments to blow their whole campaign to bits. They didn't like that....lol
 
wow, Salish Sea Orcas FB just deleted all my posts and blocked me (of which maybe one was being a bit too much of a jerk in my calling them out (I believe 'get real' was my comment)!)
Guess if your comments don't suit there agenda, the boot u get! What a joke.


I would suggest that because they cared to be concerned enough to muzzle you that there is some positive in that. Seeing your comments obviously mattered.
 
I would suggest that because they cared to be concerned enough to muzzle you that there is some positive in that. Seeing your comments obviously mattered.
agree - hopefully they actually do some research now. I mean I have probably hit them a dozen times and they keep throwing the stupid 'behind the blubber' article every time. Having pointed out that those theories have been essentially squashed now given Dr Walters findings and agreed to in prinicple by DFO, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the future when others pipe up about the possibility of select seal culls! I also hammered down on the fact that we haven't been able to retain an Upper Fraser in years so they are clearly barking up the wrong tree by targeting fisherman.

Hopefully their focus gets redirected more towards real solutions now.
 
I would suggest that because they cared to be concerned enough to muzzle you that there is some positive in that. Seeing your comments obviously mattered.
What that also says, is keep posting up facts. Don't let them get away with publishing a pack of lies - unchallenged they continue to feed the green machine with donations. We need to simplify our core messages and get our facts out there.
 
Subject: FN0395-COMMERCIAL, RECREATIONAL and ABORIGINAL - Salmon - Fraser Chinook 2019 Management Measures - Vancouver Island, Fraser Interior and North Coast, and Coast-wide Recreational Annual Aggregates - Amendment to FN0377

Category(s):
ABORIGINAL - General Information,
ABORIGINAL - Salmon: Economic Opportunities,
COMMERCIAL - General Information,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll,
RECREATIONAL - General Information,
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada
Subject: FN0395-COMMERCIAL, RECREATIONAL and ABORIGINAL - Salmon - Fraser Chinook 2019 Management Measures - Vancouver Island, Fraser Interior and North Coast, and Coast-wide Recreational Annual Aggregates - Amendment to FN0377
This Fishery Notice supersedes FN0377. The correct notice is as follows:
This notice provides the Fraser Chinook management measures for the 2019
fishing season.
Chinook Conservation Measures:
To address Fraser River Chinook conservation concerns, DFO is implementing
precautionary reductions to support conservation and promote recovery of at
risk Chinook.
New management measures for Fraser Chinook are outlined below.

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Northern Commercial Fisheries
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Area F Troll – Chinook non-retention until August 20, 2019.
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Southern BC Commercial Fisheries
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Area G Troll: Delayed start for AABM Chinook until August 1, 2019.
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Southern BC Recreational Fisheries:
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WCVI Subareas 20-1 and 20-2, and offshore Area 121, as well as Areas 123 to 127
seaward of a 1 nm Boundary Line.

00:01 hours April 19 to 23:59 hours July 14, 2019, Chinook non-retention;
00:01 hours July 15 to 23:59 hours December 31, 2019, 2 Chinook per day
The Boundary Line is approximately 1 nm seaward of the surfline. For the full
definition of the Boundary Line, please see the bottom of this fisheries
notice.
Chinook daily limits remain at 2 per day shoreward of this Boundary Line.
Queen Charlotte and Johnstone Straits (Subareas 12-1 to 12-13, 12-15 to 12-48):
00:01 hours April 19 to 23:59 hours July 14, 2019, Chinook non-retention;
00:01 hours July 15 to 23:59 hours August 29, 2019, 1 Chinook per day;
00:01 hours August 30 to 23:59 hours December 31, 2 Chinook per day.
Strait of Georgia – North - Areas 13 to 17, Area 28 and Subareas 29-1 and 29-2:
00:01 hours April 19 to 23:59 hours July 14, 2019, Chinook non-retention;
00:01 hours July 15 to 23:59 hours August 29, 2019, 1 Chinook/day;
00:01 hours August 30 to December 31, 2019, 2 Chinook/day.
Strait of Georgia – South and Juan de Fuca - Areas 18, 19 and Subareas 20-3 to
20-7, 29-3 to 29-5 and 29-8,:
00:01 hours April 19 to 23:59 hours July 31, 2019, Chinook non-retention;
00:01 hours August 1 to 23:59 hours August 29, 2019, 1 Chinook per day;
00:01 hours August 30 to 23:59 hours December 31, 2019, 2 Chinook per day.
Fraser River mouth, tidal and non-tidal waters – Subareas 29-6, 29-7, 29-9 to
29-17 and those waters of the Fraser River upstream from the Highway Bridge at
Mission, BC to the Alexandria Bridge:
January 1 to August 23, No fishing for salmon.
August 23 to December 31, Chinook non-retention.
After August 23, dependent on in-season information fisheries may be announced
targeting other species. These will also be subject to any measures required
for other stocks of concern such as Interior Fraser Coho or Steelhead salmon.
Freshwater Regions 3, 5, 7 and 8:
Remain closed to fishing for salmon until further notice.
Fishing opportunities for other salmon stocks or species may be provided
subject to in-season information and measures required for stocks of concern
such as Interior Fraser Coho or Steelhead salmon.
For clarity, Chinook retention is permitted in Areas 11, 21 to 27, 111, Subarea
12-14, and those portions of Areas 123 to 127 shoreward of a line 1 nautical
mile seaward of the surfline.
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Coast-wide Recreational Fisheries:
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For the recreational fishery, the annual aggregate limit for Chinook salmon is
ten (10) coast-wide in all tidal waters.
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Southern BC Food, Social and Ceremonial Fisheries:
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In Southern BC marine waters beginning 00:01 hours April 19 until 23:59 hours
July 14, 2019 Chinook non-retention will be in effect in the following Areas:
Subareas 12-1 to 12-13 and 12-15 to 12-48; Areas 13 to 20, 28, 29-1 to 29-10
and 121; and those portions of Areas 123 to 127 offshore from a 1 nautical mile
(Boundary Line) seaward of the surfline. For the full definition of the
Boundary Line, please see the bottom of this fisheries notice.
For clarity, Chinook retention is permitted in Areas 11, 21 to 27, 111, Subarea
12-14, and those portions of Areas 123 to 127 shoreward of a line 1 nautical
mile seaward of the surfline.
Fraser River downstream of the Thompson River: Chinook non-retention to July
14; very limited priority access for ceremonial purposes will be considered
prior to July 14.
Further information on specific management actions will be communicated by
separate Fishery Notices. You can view or subscribe to fisheries notices
at: http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm
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Definition: Boundary Line for Areas 123 to 127
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The Boundary Line is approximately 1nm seaward of the surfline and is defined
as follows:
A line that begins at Pacheena Point lighthouse at 48 degrees 43.327’ N 125
degrees 05.855’ W
then to 48 degrees 42.456’ N 125 degrees 06.583’ W seaward of Pachena Point,
then to 48 degrees 46.420’ N 125 degrees 13.997’ W seaward of Cape Beale,
then to 48 degrees 54.572’ N 125 degrees 33.622’ W seaward of Amphitrite Point,
then to 49 degrees 05.100’ N 125 degrees 54.646’ W seaward of Cox Point,
then to 49 degrees 10.280’ N 126 degrees 04.790’ W seaward of Blunden Island,
then to 49 degrees 16.472’ N 126 degrees 15.140’ W seaward of Rafael Point,
then to 49 degrees 20.008’ N 126 degrees 17.188’ W seaward of Sydney Inlet,
then to 49 degrees 23.807’ N 126 degrees 24.483’ W seaward of Hesquiat Point,
then to 49 degrees 21.620’ N 126 degrees 28.478’ W seaward of Matlahaw Point,
then to 49 degrees 22.113’ N 126 degrees 33.508’ W seaward of Estevan Point,
then to 49 degrees 23.869’ N 126 degrees 35.333’ W seaward of Homais Cove,
then to 49 degrees 27.766’ N 126 degrees 35.971’ W seaward of Split Cape,
then to 49 degrees 31.494’ N 126 degrees 35.669’ W seaward of Escalante Point,
then to 49 degrees 34.042’ N 126 degrees 41.611’ W seaward of Maquinna Point,
then to 49 degrees 36.254’ N 126 degrees 50.538’ W seaward of Bajo Point,
then to 49 degrees 39.892’ N 126 degrees 55.125’ W seaward of Skuna Bay,
then to 49 degrees 44.400’ N 127 degrees 00.289’ W seaward of Ferrer Point,
then to 49 degrees 50.767’ N 127 degrees 10.151’ W seaward of Tatchu Point,
then to 49 degrees 59.142’ N 127 degrees 28.125’ W seaward of Lookout Island,
then to 50 degrees 06.948’ N 127 degrees 41.617’ W seaward of Jackobson Point,
then to 50 degrees 03.599’ N 127 degrees 47.722’ W seaward of Clerke Point,
then to 50 degrees 05.868’ N 127 degrees 57.906’ W seaward of Solander Island,
then to 50 degrees 19.284’ N 128 degrees 00.130’ W seaward of Lawn Point,
then to 50 degrees 31.501’ N 128 degrees 14.238’ W seaward of Topknot Point,
then to 50 degrees 35.683’ N 128 degrees 19.249’ W seaward of Cape Palmerston,
then to 50 degrees 39.280’ N 128 degrees 23.459’ W seaward of Winifred Island,
then to 50 degrees 41.116’ N 128 degrees 24.166’ W seaward of Cape Russell,
then to 50 degrees 44.137’ N 128 degrees 26.559’ W seaward of Strange Rock,
then to 50 degrees 47.926’ N 128 degrees 27.363’ W seaward of Cape Scott,
then to Frederiksen Point.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact your local DFO office
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/contact/regions/pacific-pacifique-eng.html
 
agree - hopefully they actually do some research now. I mean I have probably hit them a dozen times and they keep throwing the stupid 'behind the blubber' article every time. Having pointed out that those theories have been essentially squashed now given Dr Walters findings and agreed to in prinicple by DFO, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the future when others pipe up about the possibility of select seal culls! I also hammered down on the fact that we haven't been able to retain an Upper Fraser in years so they are clearly barking up the wrong tree by targeting fisherman.

Hopefully their focus gets redirected more towards real solutions now.

You may need a bodyguard soon, you are gonna be on their hit list! lol
 
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