Musqueam First Nation signs Aboriginal rights deal with Ottawa

pescador

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“According to a release from the government, the agreements also strengthen Musqueam’s roles in fisheries, stewardship and marine emergency management.”

This can’t be good. Layer upon layer of bureaucracy.
 
The deal is signed . It’s over and now we wait to see the details. This is Federal, not provincial, so the only way to change it is to get rid of the Liberals! BC cannot even get rid of the NDP, so what do you think the odds are of getting rid of the Liberals?
The public do not vote about fish, they don’t really care. But taking away their houses is a huge motivator. It might be enough to get rid of the Liberals .
And it appears their fisheries management covers the total mouth of the Fraser.
That is really going to effect fishing.
 
See attached. From agreement.
 

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So, the solution is very complicated?

Get rid of the present BC government and undo undrip.

Get rid of the Federal government and undo indrip?

Leave Canada and undo undrip?

All require changes in government and do not see that happening as the east holds the power of the Feds.

So, are we stuck with this?
 
Everyone should read the actual agreement closely. There are a few concerning statements the Government of Canada has made within it. Amongst the list of concerning statements is....this government signed an agreement stating that UNDRIP was the "minimum standard" - look closely at UNDRIP and to meet that as a minimum standard Canada and by extension the public will be significantly burdened to meet those.

Supreme Court of Canada and other lower courts affirmed that the government of Canada must bear the full cost of reconciliation - and yet, we the public are being hung out to dry and will pay that cost through uncertainty around land title and access to Magna Carta fishery rights - in other words, contrary to the direction of our courts ordinary Canadians will bear the cost of reconciliation and these reconciliation agreements.

There are no specifics within the agreement with regard to what has been reported in the media about co-management agreements for fisheries, other than the agreement specifies Section 35 rights as well as the Sparrow decision, both of which contain details regarding fisheries - the lack of clarity again creates significant uncertainty for non-indigenous Canadians and of course recreational interests.

Seat belts firmly attached....here we go for another ride.
 
Interesting.

Eby publicly states he was "mystified" over this deal, and that the Province had not been briefed on the deal whatsoever.
Then when pictures of him front row dead center at the signing ceremony emerges, he somewhat changes his tune...

Also interesting that in this case, the local liberal MP (Wade Grant) is a member of the Musqueam band...
 
There is some area of concern that should be researched further, that being around the Magna Carta. Years ago when I was discovering everything regarding Agenda 21, public fishing rights etc... and later UNDRIP, Agenda 2030 and Agenda 2050 and well before I found out about my heritage, that being a "Status Indian". I say Indian because that is what I am recognized as under the Indian Act. I did not find out until my Step Father had passed, I always believed him to be my blood. Regardless...

The way the Magna Carta is being referenced is not 100% correct. Right now at this time and ever since Tidal licenses have come into play, we have all fished under contract. We are operating under a Licensed Privilege. Only two sectors operate under privilege contract, Commercial & Recreational. The Magna Carta rights were in play for all history of recognized law back to the Vatican and Kings. Personal Rights can not be extinguished accept through an agreement to contract. That's the pickle that needs to be exposed and studied and referenced in order to be taken serious in LAW. I don't know it all and I don't pretend to either, but I do see things long before most ever do. There is so much more that folks need to educate themselves on and hopefully people are more open now than they were way back when I was trying to share these potential harms with them. I no longer have my archives or links or documents, but all that info is still all out there. The mix up in many cases is with Common Law, Maritime Law and the Magna Carta. You have rights, they can never be extinguished, the burden is in learning what you need to know in order to get back to where we came from prior to these De jure by law and according to law contracts were accepted by the public.
 

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Yep it all boils down to what's written within the constitution, Bill of rights, treaties, Indian acts, all of the agreements with the UN. Long list. It boils down to one common denominator. That's human rights. I'm not sure if wording it like that is ok for this forum, and if not I will gladly delete it. From what I can understand from all the reading and research is that before we can fix a issue like fisheries, you have to fix the main root of the problem and that's our legal binding constitutional code that was very poorly done. I'm not sure it's even possible.
 
Ottawa pours oil on fire burning up B.C. property rights

The Canadian government has surrendered Vancouver. On Feb. 20, the federal government announced three agreements with the Musqueam Indian Band. One of those agreements recognizes Musqueam Aboriginal title within their traditional territory. That territory is located around the mouth of the Fraser River, including what is now Vancouver and neighbouring municipalities. The agreements were negotiated secretly without public input.

If the federal government wanted to calm the waters over the status of private property rights in British Columbia, this was not the way to do it. Which means that’s not what they wanted to do. They have chosen to pour oil on the fire. The Musqueam agreements are the latest edicts to pose existential risks to property interests in B.C. Let’s recap.

The Canadian Constitution does not include property rights. But it does guarantee Aboriginal rights. Section 35 was a last-minute addition to the new constitution, patriated in 1982. Since then, the Supreme Court of Canada has championed and expanded the scope of those rights.

In 2007, the United Nations General Assembly passed the “Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples” (UNDRIP). In 2016, the Trudeau government reversed Canada’s objection to the document. UNDRIP provides, among other things, that Indigenous peoples have the right to land they traditionally occupied. UNDRIP is an aspirational non-binding document. But in 2019, the B.C. government passed a statute, the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act (DRIPA), that required the government to make B.C. laws consistent with UNDRIP. In 2021, the federal government did similarly.

In 2024, the B.C. and federal governments recognized Aboriginal title to Haida Gwaii, an archipelago off B.C.’s northwest coast. Those agreements promise to honour private property interests. But “fee simple” and Aboriginal title are incompatible. According to the Supreme Court of Canada, Aboriginal title is a collective right. It cannot be parcelled out into individual lots. No individual, Indigenous or not, can hold exclusive property rights in a plot of land subject to Aboriginal title. Moreover, a group that holds Aboriginal title cannot surrender the title to anyone but the Crown. When it does so, Aboriginal title is extinguished. If Haida Gwaii is subject to Aboriginal title, then in principle no fee simple interests can exist on Haida Gwaii. Those who own property there must now wait to see what the Haida Gwaii agreements will mean.

B.C. Premier David Eby has called the Haida Gwaii agreement a “template” for his government’s plans across the province. It continues to make agreements with specific Aboriginal groups over specific territories. These agreements promise Aboriginal title and/or grant management rights over land and resources. The B.C. government has tended to make these agreements covertly and to announce them after the fact, as the federal government has done with the Musqueam agreements.

In August 2025, the B.C. Supreme Court released its Cowichan decision. Pursuant to section 35, the court declared that the Cowichan nation holds Aboriginal title to a portion of Richmond, a suburb of Vancouver. Aboriginal title, said the court, is “senior and prior” to fee simple interests.

In December 2025, the B.C. Court of Appeal declared the B.C. mining regime to be inconsistent with UNDRIP. Miners could register claims on Crown land without first consulting with Aboriginal groups. That, said the court, was a violation of the rights contemplated in UNDRIP, and therefore inconsistent with DRIPA, the B.C. statute.

Of course, there’s more, much more. Governments and courts have thrown B.C. property rights into turmoil. They have threatened the security of exclusive title. They have undermined the ability to get mortgages and insurance. They have discouraged private investment in B.C.

And now the federal government has announced that the Musqueam hold Aboriginal title to Vancouver and its suburbs. In an interesting twist, the area covered by the Musqueam agreements appears to include Richmond, where the B.C. Supreme Court found Cowichan title to exist. Stoke that fire, folks. The federal government has not officially released the text of the agreements, but at least one of them can be found on a government website. Its purpose is to “recognize Musqueam’s Rights and Title within Musqueam Territory” and to “contribute to the implementation of the UN Declaration.” In a press release, the feds have said they have recognized Aboriginal title, created “shared decision-making” over water and resources, and established a “framework for incremental implementation of rights and nation-to-nation relations with Canada.”

Security of property in B.C. is going up in smoke. These are not policy mistakes. The B.C. and federal governments understand what they are doing. A new generation of political leaders seems determined to cripple their own country. If you are surprised, you haven’t been paying attention. If you are outraged, you must be a settler. If you are a property owner in the Lower Mainland, suck it up for reconciliation. After all, we live on native land. Haven’t you been paying attention to land acknowledgements?

Many Canadians cannot even recognize the attack. Their obsequious devotion to reconciliation gets in the way. They are stuck in a stupor of acquiescence and disbelief. The beaver is too good for Canada’s national symbol. The country deserves the ostrich.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/ottawa-pours-oil-fire-burning-bc-property-rights
 
this has been in the works for over a decade,

I don't think its a coincidence when Cowichan is taking their land, and the five nations are commercially fishing for their fish that they felt the need to make a deal.
 
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