MMSI update to new vessel

[Peahead]

I went in to the GOC Industry Canada site today to update my MMSI info due to adding another VHF with DSC (new HX851 VHF handheld added) and update the new vessel description.

I was very late doing this update. I upgraded to my 228 Grady from my 17 Double Eagle in spring 2012. I was however quite shocked to discover that almost every search I did for MMSI's of vessels I know, don't have any MMSI registered.

For all the safety info provided on this site and all the TC certifications required for small commercial vessel operation including MED, first aid, SVOP and MROC as well as all the recent dicussions about the CTAG certification, I was down right stunned how many guides and others haven't bothered to register an MMSI which is easy and free! . I searched many boat names I know as well as owner names/ companies and I found very few have registered MMSI's.

http://sd.ic.gc.ca/pls/engdoc_anon/mmsi_search.ship

 

[Hookin'up]

did you find me?
I found you, now I can follow you around,
stupid thing with that system is my old boat is still listed there under my name, I asked to have it transferred to the new owner and
I cant do that, the new owner has to request it, and I see as of now he still has not done it.

 

[SpringVelocity]

I found mine , but I don't see my handheld listed...It was different MMSI number... Also have to phone them as I see it is missing the boat identification numbers....

 

[Peahead]

Actually you're special Tim, you have 2 MMSI's under your name - one for O.L. and one for H.U.

 

[Hookin'up]

Yea see what I mean H.U. has been gone for a year, when I informed them they didnt care
and said the new owner would have to have it changed...... silly eh?
but your right I am special and I cant find my damn helmut

 

[searun]

Yup, I'm in there. All my radios are programmed with the vessel mmsi number. I want to be found if I run into trouble off shore. I haven't yet got the ais transceiver, I would rather just be able to receive so I can see the freighter traffic.

 

[pescador]

I was told by Industry Cananda that you should use the same mmsi for your fixed mount and hand helds.

 

[casper5280]

I'm listed and I also know people that don't have their's listed. I also know people that don't even have their VHF even wired to their GPS's. Don't understand it. It's all free for you and your crews safety and people still don't do it.

 

[wolf]

Well im guessing from what I WAS told it wasnt mandatory thats why I didnt do it... already have everything else up to date , BUT in saying that I will be getting this very soon as I got a new VHF with built in AIS.
As a guide with all the STUFF we need we only do what is mandatory, just like the cashgrab CTAG ill never take that either....

 

[reelfast]

Yup, I'm in there. All my radios are programmed with the vessel mmsi number. I want to be found if I run into trouble off shore. I haven't yet got the ais transceiver, I would rather just be able to receive so I can see the freighter traffic.

AIS apps are available free and they work well enough to warn you about incoming or outgoing traffic. I look out with an AIS app about 10 miles. this lets me keep the radar dialed in to a much closer range. if you have an AIS receiver and you change the range of your radar or GPS, does the AIS range change as well??

 

[casper5280]

AIS apps are available free and they work well enough to warn you about incoming or outgoing traffic. I look out with an AIS app about 10 miles. this lets me keep the radar dialed in to a much closer range. if you have an AIS receiver and you change the range of your radar or GPS, does the AIS range change as well??

I don't think so. My AIS is in the VHF(Standard Horizion Matrix) I believe the AIS range is set though the VHF, not the GPS or Radar. Also was told that the AIS app is not real time, don't know for sure but do know that my VHF AIS is real time. I've also have the app but have never compared the two.

 

[Peahead]

I was told by Industry Cananda that you should use the same mmsi for your fixed mount and hand helds.

Thats my understanding too.
I will program my same MMSI # into my handheld that I already have in my fixed ICOM. I contacted Industry Canada just for the purpose of updating the new boat details and adding in description details that the boat now has a handheld VHF with the same MMSI. That way when someone is looking for me they hopefully will have the info to broadcast that my MMSI distress call could also be from my handheld and therefore know that my position may just be me floating in the water with a handheld and not necessarily with my boat.

 

[SpringVelocity]

I didn't program my handheld with MMSI same number. Sometimes I take with you on other person's boat, and I wanted the GPS coordinates to flash up looking for the person not the boat in emergency...

 

[Peahead]

Well im guessing from what I WAS told it wasnt mandatory thats why I didnt do it... already have everything else up to date , BUT in saying that I will be getting this very soon as I got a new VHF with built in AIS.
As a guide with all the STUFF we need we only do what is mandatory, just like the cashgrab CTAG ill never take that either....

I hear you on the mandatory hoops that TC has required over the years - and the time and costs associated with those. TC kept us on our toes changing things and raising and lowering the "bar" as well .....I jumped through those hoops starting in 2003/2004 including the stability test request (which never happened because nobody from TC ever showed up !!)
However.... if nothing was in place by TC to be mandatory for guides (like back several years ago) I know you'd still want to have several safety measures in place when guiding or not ( I know you well enough to know that you are a safe operator/guide!) Aquiring and programming an MMSI # into your VHF radio and connecting to the GPS is not manditory but adds an element of saftey that is available to you at no cost and very little time to set up - unless guys still have a very old radio, they have DSC so seems a logical step to me to take advantage of that feature and set up that saftey feature ?

 

[finaddict]

I hear you on the mandatory hoops that TC has required over the years - and the time and costs associated with those. TC kept us on our toes changing things and raising and lowering the "bar" as well .....I jumped through those hoops starting in 2003/2004 including the stability test request (which never happened because nobody from TC ever showed up !!)
However.... if nothing was in place by TC to be mandatory for guides (like back several years ago) I know you'd still want to have several safety measures in place when guiding or not ( I know you well enough to know that you are a safe operator/guide!) Aquiring and programming an MMSI # into your VHF radio and connecting to the GPS is not manditory but adds an element of saftey that is available to you at no cost and very little time to set up - unless guys still have a very old radio, they have DSC so seems a logical step to me to take advantage of that feature and set up that saftey feature ?

As soon as I had my DSC radio and MMSI I hooked it up to GPS. Its more about giving an element of safety to all the newbies on the boat. I always instruct them about how to push the emergency button to call for help. In case I fall overboard or something, its almost idiot proof for them to contact CCG

 

[wolf]

Casper I got the same VHF and you can interface it into the GPS so it will show on your maps... then move the cursor over to the big arrow and it will tell you all the speed distance, name etc saw it on a fellow guides boat and thats why im doing it now....
it will all be up to snuf in no time ....

Wolf

 

[casper5280]

Casper I got the same VHF and you can interface it into the GPS so it will show on your maps... then move the cursor over to the big arrow and it will tell you all the speed distance, name etc saw it on a fellow guides boat and thats why im doing it now....
it will all be up to snuf in no time ....

Wolf

Yes I am aware of that, I use it all the time. I will make a bet with people that I can read the name on the boat from a mile or 2 away. Little do they know that I've gone in to the cabin and checked the plotter and looked at all the info.

 

[Saxe Point]

I didn't program my handheld with MMSI same number. Sometimes I take with you on other person's boat, and I wanted the GPS coordinates to flash up looking for the person not the boat in emergency...

That's exactly why I did exactly the same as you.

 

[Peahead]

That's exactly why I did exactly the same as you.

That is apparently an option as it was suggested I could do that ( have a separate MMSI # for your handheld) but the lady at Industry Canada said you have to list what boat it will be associated with . When I said it may be used on several boats she said that could be a problem because when you fill out vessel details it will be associated to a particular vessel ....one vessel.
I am therefore curious as to what vessel details you entered for your second MMSI # for your handheld ? You can see the problem if you are using your handheld on several different boats that in a distress call, what boat is CCG looking for ? At that point I can't see having a separate MMSI for that handheld being any advantage over it being the same number as your boat radio.
( the woman I spoke to yesterday was at the Vancouver office: 604-586-2521)

 

[SpringVelocity]

I didn't enter any vessel details...... Tell her it is called Annex I-Maritime Identity for Handheld Receivers with DSC and GNSS not associated with Ship Station or Vessel form you need to fill out for handheld. You need name and emergency contacts, and your contact address info. It is not assigned to a vessel. Ladies name Lesley Stanley. Lesleigh.Stanley@ic.gc.ca

LOL it better not be her your talked too. I did it in July 2012