Minimal risk to wild Fraser River sockeye due to pathogen transfer from BC Salmon Farms

shuswap said:
I think it was because of all the cut and pasting (which I wonder how much of it you truly understand) plus the fact you didn’t listen to me before on this. See where it got you. Since the 2003 IHN outbreak, the BC fish farm industry employed new bio security protocols, monitoring, detection, and fish movement practices (including 3rd party vessel operating practices), on-site culling of farmed fish on impacted farm and a variety of other measures. They did these changes because IHNv is a very high risk pathogen and it was getting unintentionally passed to adjacent farms through shared equipment and vessels. In addition, there was a lag time (up to 2 weeks) between initial detection of impacted farmed fish and CFIA confirmation of the virus. Well in that amount of time the virus and resulting disease (IHN) can spread quite rapidly - potentially impacting adjacent farm creating more losses. This is what happened in 2003. Following the 2003 outbreak, the industry is much more proactive and will destroy impacted and non impacted farmed fish once they detect it and not wait for CFIA confirmation. This is one of the reason why IHNv transmission from farmed salmon to Fraser Sockeye salmon was determined to be minimal risk. Compensation under the legislation is provided if the CFIA orders that the stock is to be destroyed - not if the impacted farm decides to be proactive and do it before the order is given.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/compensation-set-for-bc-bird-farmers/article18266705/

https://www.canadianpoultrymag.com/business-policy/who-pays-for-an-ai-crisis-30009

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals.../compensation/eng/1313712524829/1313712773700

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/farms+netted+million+compensation+diseased+fish/9788388/story.html
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Believe me Shuswap, after seeing this industry and government in action I don't believe they do much to try to safeguard our wild salmon stocks. They certainly don't cull their infected fish to try to cut down on infectious disease transmittance to our wild salmon. As you mentioned, they are culled to try to save their fish in adjacent fish farms. So I guess fish farmers believe disease and virus are capable of travelling distances and aren't contained locally to a farm? Guess it depends on what fish they are trying to save or who's minds they are trying to sway. Any money spent by the open net pen industry in regard to cull, disease, sea lice, etc is to maximize profits and minimize losses, unfortunately often to the detriment of our wild stocks and environment, and often to the detriment of the taxpayers pocketbook. Wonder why they even regulate at all. They don't seem to enforce any of the regulations that I can see. The bloodwater pipe crap that is going on all up and down our coast is an example of the industry being regulated? what a joke. Bio-security protocals? Yeah, that'll save our salmon from those infectious diseases... :rolleyes:
Interesting that you admit IHNv is highly contagious and can spread quite rapidly, but also believe their is no risk to our wild stocks... Kinda like pissing down my back and then telling me it's raining. Sorry, don't buy it. And many others don't either...
 
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Lol..... When you move to land it costs 10x more to operate than in the water. It wont work, hasn't worked. Especially when your Neighbors to the north raise millions of fish for nothing.....so many fish come back in Alaska your allowed to dip net them.
Funny stuff, all the fish come from hatcheries, the fish slotted for farms have disease but the one for sportfiahermen aren't.
 
bones said:
Lol..... When you move to land it costs 10x more to operate than in the water. It wont work, hasn't worked. Especially when your Neighbors to the north raise millions of fish for nothing.....so many fish come back in Alaska your allowed to dip net them.
Funny stuff, all the fish come from hatcheries, the fish slotted for farms have disease but the one for sportfiahermen aren't.
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Tell that to the owner and shareholders of this company...

Land reared, 11-12 months from egg to mature, vs sea based, 20-22 months...
I've read where they have that down to about 9 months now...His biggest problem is trying to keep up with the demand for the premium, guilt free, antibiotic free, disease and virus free product. Nice problem to have. I'm sure being fairly close to a main airport and no ocean transport costs for transference of end product helps the bottom line also.

http://sustainableblue.com/

 
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bones said:
Tell them exactly what big dog?
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tell them that their company isn't profitable and won't work.
I'm pretty sure I have an idea of what his reply back to you would be. Prob something that shouldn't be said on a forum.
 
bigdogeh said:
tell them that their company isn't profitable and won't work.
I'm pretty sure I have an idea of what his reply back to you would be. Prob something that shouldn't be said on a forum.
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Lmao.... They don't farm salmon. Maybe you should phone the company on the island, I hear they are looking for investors, if it is so profitable you should throw some money at them. You could be there new money man and....... Make all those profits you claim they make, eh
 
bones said:
Lmao.... They don't farm salmon.
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Don't know what your smoking bones, but you might want to cut down a bit....
 
If you want to farm salmon, it has to be on land. Of course it's much cheaper to use the ocean as a dump site.
Those land based farms have a tough go because they are competing against net pens that currently don't have to control their waste. When everyone is playing on the same field, there will be money to be made.
Just like the brilliant Ian Roberts said on dateline, the ocean has a way of making that stuff go away.
 
bones said:
Lmao.... They don't farm salmon. Maybe you should phone the company on the island, I hear they are looking for investors, if it is so profitable you should throw some money at them. You could be there new money man and....... Make all those profits you claim they make, eh
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Hey Bones
Why would the Norwegians, the kings of open net Pen Farms be doing this???
Could it be after years and years of open pen farming they have come to realize this is the way of the future?

Norwegian company to build large, land-based salmon farm in Belfast

The plan calls for millions in investment that will eventually create up to 140 jobs.

The company is currently building the largest salmon farm in Europe, but Heim said that facility would be dwarfed by the one planned for Belfast, which would be roughly five times the size.

In the land-based system, fish would be isolated from local fauna, which Heim said would remove the possibility of spreading diseases.
The closed system would also reduce or eliminate the use of chemicals that might otherwise be needed to treat the fish for sea lice.
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/01...uild-large-land-based-salmon-farm-in-belfast/
 
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fogged in said:
Hey Bones
Why would the Norwegians, the kings of open net Pen Farms be doing this???
Could it be after years and years of open pen farming they have come to realize this is the way of the future?

Norwegian company to build large, land-based salmon farm in Belfast

The plan calls for millions in investment that will eventually create up to 140 jobs.

The company is currently building the largest salmon farm in Europe, but Heim said that facility would be dwarfed by the one planned for Belfast, which would be roughly five times the size.

In the land-based system, fish would be isolated from local fauna, which Heim said would remove the possibility of spreading diseases.
The closed system would also reduce or eliminate the use of chemicals that might otherwise be needed to treat the fish for sea lice.
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/01...uild-large-land-based-salmon-farm-in-belfast/
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They (the open net pen farmers) are also leaving Norway for these reasons... We have a weak impotent government that's owned and bought by wealthy foreign corporations and could care less about the environment and our wild salmon and other marine life.
Quite a sad but interesting read.

http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/viking-invasion-is-the-sad-second-saga.68224/
 
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agentaqua said:
Virus at 2 Nova Scotia fish farms results in 600,000 salmon being killed
Aquaculture Minister Keith Colwell won't say where the 2 facilities are located
By Richard Woodbury, CBC News Posted: Mar 01, 2018
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-infectious-salmon-anemia-1.4557629
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Not that this has anything to do with Fraser River sockeye but I think some clarification to this story is requried;
http://asf.ca/ns-landbased-salmon-farms-safe-from-disease-outbreak.html
http://www.trurodaily.com/news/salmon-killed-after-anemia-outbreak-in-nova-scotia-190212/
 
cuttlefish said:
Not that this has anything to do with Fraser River sockeye but I think some clarification to this story is requried;
http://asf.ca/ns-landbased-salmon-farms-safe-from-disease-outbreak.html
http://www.trurodaily.com/news/salmon-killed-after-anemia-outbreak-in-nova-scotia-190212/
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After disease outbreak at 2 salmon hatcheries, conservation group calls for clarity
When Nova Scotia announced infectious salmon anemia outbreak, it didn't specify at what types of facilities
By Richard Woodbury, CBC News Posted: Mar 02, 2018 4:57 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...onservation-group-calls-for-clarity-1.4559529
 
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