MARINE SERVICES FEE INVOICE

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Received this invoice in the mail today:

Canadian Coast Guard
Marine Navigation Services Fee Invoice
Western Region - Canadian Vessels


Gross Fee..........$200.00
HST..................24.00
Net Fee............$224.00

The Marine Navigation Services Fee helps the CCG recover a portion of the costs associated with providing these services. The fees are based on the premise thet those who benifet directly from publicly-funded services should contribute to the cost of those services.

I m getting fed up with this government's hand in my pocket all the time wanting more money. What about the weekend wariors who seem to be in need of their services more than the charter fleet. When is the last time that you heard of a charter boat needing CCG'S assistance? I hear the sporties calling for help almost everytime on the water! All they need is that stupid operators card (that is a joke anyways) And meanwhile charters have layed out thousands $$$ and many hours and days for courses and equipment to be safe on the water, and now they are calling us a USER GROUP? YA I AM PISSED OFF! How can they just willy nilly start sending out invoices? sure must be nice. How about we send out invoices to potential customers just in case they want to catch a fish sometime??? DID i SAY THAT I AM PISSED OFF??? [xx(] [V] :( [:p] [xx(]

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Id pay Kara for her services too[:p]

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Fill the dam tub!
 
Got the same invoice today. I think we actually fall into the rental fleet category myself at $25.00 a year. Going to phone and see if there is a separate account for this money to go directly to CCG. Also want to see if I can invoice them for my services when I do the rescuing because duhhhh we are on the water all the time and more often than not we do their job until they finally arrive on scene.
 
last and only time i was towed in 30 years was by the parks sevice in renfrew & IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF IGNORANCE CHARTER GOD. I & lots of other so called sporties resent your devide & conquer attitude like your inmune to danger.hey the rest of you charter guys i side with you and don't worry it will all go into general revenue.
 
Betty
Must be a big boat you are running.
Never heard of this fee before, so I took a look about.
This link will take you to some "Commentaries" from 1998, about halfway down there is a section called "Definition of Pleasure Craft" and within it is a description of "fleet rental boat", which is: " The term "fleet rental boat" is to be used only in the Western Region to describe ships under 15 gross tons and 10 metres in length which are rented, leased or chartered out for hire or reward.".
If you are within these size limits, then your fee should only be 25.00 (fee schedule is at bottom of linked page).

Take a look, may save you a couple hundred.


http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/eng/CCG/MSF_Rate_Summary
 
Hey Time , I am pretty sure that the 25 bucks referrs to rental boats and chartERED boats not charter boats.
That said , I am not paying the bill , ever. I do not beleive that the Coast Guard has the legal right to charge fees for ambiguous services.
Do you get a bill from the Highway department every time a sign goes up on your street? Can the RCMP bill you directly for protecting your home?
Obviously we pay indirectly through taxation , but independant government agencies cannot arbitrarily charge for "services" that they already receive a budget for.

My take is that the Federal Government can use our tax dollars to make the system run.Individual agencies can charge you for actual services(processing etc) but this new charge does not fit these parameters.

This new "tax" will lead to a court challenge or it will be scrapped.

DO NOT PAY !!!!!!!!!!
 
quote:Originally posted by Dave S

Originally posted by Island Fish Lifter

Id pay Kara for her services too[:p]

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you pay girls for "services"?? that must suck.

dont you mean "they must suck[:0]"....:D.....

getting back to the OP...was this invoice for a tow, or is it a yearly fee??
 
Seems Absurd.

One interesting thing to look into is how much is being spent to administer these charges...mailing invoices, chasing payments, issuing receipts, updating mailing lists. My guess is that a smallish part of each bill is actually going to cost recovery, usually a fairly big part goes to admin.

It's not right, either way.
Zeke
 
quote:Originally posted by Island Fish Lifter

Id pay Kara for her services too[:p]

Why didn't you or holmes let me know SHE was on the water? I woulda faked a seizure or cut your fuel line; or called for assistance due to a Crown Royal incident....ha ha ha ha. :D ;) [:p]



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Have you hugged a Gorby today??? ;P
 
I have never needeed the services of the CCG. This seems to be a yearly thing and they say that a late fee of 5% will be added to my invoice if not paid promptly. I think that it has something to do with our "C" #'s.
I would agree to a charge if all boaters were charged something like $50 per year, not just the charter guys. [}:)]
 
Just read the reply on size of boat, I am running a 26' Hourston.
AND I AM NOT PAYING!!!
 
Done a little research and in order for the CG to bill anyone for "cost recovery" they have to justify it with a study and consultation process. The justification used to bill small vessel operators is based on a study done in 1998 with the shipping industry. I don't think that this will past muster if scrutinized by your member of Parliament and could lead to this getting shot down in short order.
To be clear , this 200.00 bucks is not for Search and Rescue it is for aids to navigation and radio services. I will guarantee you that if they get away with this one you will see other charges for search and rescue etc etc in the years to come.
What burns me about this "tax" on small commercial boats is that it is another charge on people doing honest business while the under the table industry walks away once again.


Lets get organized on this one. Don't be a lay down.

beemer
 
Here is a email list of our B.C. members of Paliament. take 30 seconds and tell them about all the b.s small commercial operators have been through in the last year. This new "user fee" is unfair and punishes legitimate businesses.

Member of Parliament Email Constituency Caucus
Abbott, Jim (Hon.) AbbotJ@parl.gc.ca Kootenay—Columbia Conservative
Atamanenko, Alex AtamaA@parl.gc.ca British Columbia Southern Interior NDP
Cadman, Dona Cadman.D@parl.gc.ca Surrey North Conservative
Cannan, Ron CannaR@parl.gc.ca Kelowna—Lake Country Conservative
Crowder, Jean CrowdJ@parl.gc.ca Nanaimo—Cowichan NDP
Cullen, Nathan CulleN@parl.gc.ca Skeena—Bulkley Valley NDP
Cummins, John CummiJ@parl.gc.ca Delta—Richmond East Conservative
Davies, Don Davies.D@parl.gc.ca Vancouver Kingsway NDP
Davies, Libby DavieL@parl.gc.ca Vancouver East NDP
Day, Stockwell (Hon.) DayS@parl.gc.ca Okanagan—Coquihalla Conservative
Dhaliwal, Sukh DhaliS@parl.gc.ca Newton—North Delta Liberal
Donnelly, Fin n/a New Westminster—Coquitlam NDP
Dosanjh, Ujjal (Hon.) DosanU@parl.gc.ca Vancouver South Liberal
Duncan, John Duncan.J@parl.gc.ca Vancouver Island North Conservative
Fast, Ed FastE@parl.gc.ca Abbotsford Conservative
Fry, Hedy (Hon.) FryH@parl.gc.ca Vancouver Centre Liberal
Grewal, Nina GrewaN@parl.gc.ca Fleetwood—Port Kells Conservative
Harris, Richard M. HarriR@parl.gc.ca Cariboo—Prince George Conservative
Hiebert, Russ HiebeR@parl.gc.ca South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale Conservative
Hill, Jay (Hon.) HillJ@parl.gc.ca Prince George—Peace River Conservative
Julian, Peter JuliaP@parl.gc.ca Burnaby—New Westminster NDP
Kamp, Randy KampR@parl.gc.ca Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission Conservative
Lunn, Gary (Hon.) LunnG@parl.gc.ca Saanich—Gulf Islands Conservative
Lunney, James LunneJ@parl.gc.ca Nanaimo—Alberni Conservative
Martin, Keith (Hon.) MartiK@parl.gc.ca Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca Liberal
Mayes, Colin MayesC@parl.gc.ca Okanagan—Shuswap Conservative
McLeod, Cathy McLeod.C@parl.gc.ca Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo Conservative
Moore, James (Hon.) MooreJ@parl.gc.ca Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam Conservative
Murray, Joyce MurraJ@parl.gc.ca Vancouver Quadra Liberal
Savoie, Denise SavoiD@parl.gc.ca Victoria NDP
Saxton, Andrew Saxton.A@parl.gc.ca North Vancouver Conservative
Siksay, Bill SiksaB@parl.gc.ca Burnaby—Douglas NDP
Strahl, Chuck (Hon.) StrahC@parl.gc.ca Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon Conservative
Warawa, Mark warawm7@parl.gc.ca Langley Conservative
Weston, John Weston.J@parl.gc.ca West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country Conservative
Wong, Alice Wong.A@parl.gc.ca Richmond Conservative
 
I am not so sure; I would be ignoring that invoice? Might want to read the answer to question number 15 before making that decision?

Q. 1. Why am I being asked to pay the Marine Navigation Services Fee?
The MNSF is based on the premise that those who benefit directly from publicly funded services should contribute to the cost of those services. The MNSF recovers a portion of the total costs incurred by the CCG in providing marine navigation services to commercial ships.

Q. 2. What aids to navigation and VTS services am I being asked to pay for?
Aids to navigation for which you are being asked to pay a portion of the cost include visual aids such as lightstations, buoys, channel markers and day beacons; radar aids including reflectors, beacons and RACONs; aural aids including fog horns, bell and whistle buoys and Loran-C. Vessel Traffic Services (VTS) include the monitoring of vessel movements via VHF radio communications and shore-based radar surveillance equipment, the issuing of the Notice to Mariners and Notices to Shipping, the establishment of compulsory traffic routes and the provision of weather forecasts.

Q. 9. What if I don’t need or use the Coast Guard’s navaids? Do I still pay the MNSF?
Yes, if there are commercial aids in the geographic area in which your vessel(s) operate(s), you will have to pay.

Q. 13. Will the Coast Guard send me an invoice for the MNSF fee for my domestic vessel(s)?
Yes, for domestic vessels operating in Eastern Canada, DFO’s Marine Services Fees Billing, Collection and Compliance (MSFBCC) office will mail out the package including a covering letter, an invoice, a worksheet and an adjustment form.

In the Western Region, CCG contracts with Thunder Bay Airport Services Inc. to invoice owners/operators of domestic vessels on CCG’s behalf.

Q. 14. How often will I receive an invoice for the Marine Navigation Services Fee?
In Eastern Canada, the owner, operator, or charterer of a domestic vessel will be invoiced at the end of each billing quarter, based on the government fiscal year, namely:
• Quarter 1: April, May and June
• Quarter 2: July, August and September
• Quarter 3: October, November and December
• Quarter 4: January, February and March

In the Western Region, domestic vessels are billed on an annual basis once at the beginning of the fiscal year (i.e., in April).

Q. 15. How long do I have to pay the invoice?
MNSF invoices in Eastern Canada and the Western Region are to be paid within 30 days of the invoice date. Interest will be charged on overdue accounts commencing on the 31st day after the invoice date compounded monthly, at the average Bank of Canada rate for the preceding month plus 3%.


Q. 16. What MNSF fee will I have to pay?
For most domestic vessels in Eastern Canada, the current rate is $1.14 per Gross Tonnage (GT) of the vessel to a maximum of 50,000 GT, plus applicable GST/HST/PST unless the vessel is a ferry, bulker, self-unloader or containership.

In the Western Region, all domestic vessels pay the following:
• =>1,000 GT Annual fee of $5,900 + $0.45 per GT
• 15 GT to 1,000 GT Annual fee of $300 + $9.50 per GT
• Tugs of 5 GT but < 1,000 GT Annual fee of $300 + $9.50 per GT
• <5 GT other than above Annual fee of $200 per vessel
• Fleet Rental Boat Annual fee of $25

Q. 23. In Eastern Canada, what happens if I don’t operate my vessel in one or more billing quarters? or for the entire year in the Western Region?

You may be eligible for a credit if your vessel was inactive for an entire billing quarter. Included with your Invoice and Worksheet is a "Marine Navigational Services Fee Domestic Fleet Adjustment Form". This form is to be completed every quarter if there has been a change in your vessels’ billing status. You qualify for an MNSF credit for that quarter, provided the form is received within 10 days of the end of the quarter for which you are claiming the credit. If the required information is received before the MNSF invoice has been issued, the MSFBCC office will cancel the invoice for that billing quarter. After the invoice has been issued, the owner/operator will receive a credit note shortly after receipt of the notification of inactivity by the MSFBCC office.

For a domestic vessel to be exempted from payment of the fee in the Western Region, the vessel must be inactive for the entire billing year.

Q. 30. I have registered my yacht in the Canadian Ship Registry and use it exclusively for recreational (non-remunerative) purposes. Am I subject to payment of the MNSF?
A registered yacht that is used exclusively by the owner/operator/charterer for non-remunerative purposes is not subject to payment of the MNSF.

Q. 33. Why am I being invoiced the MNSF while other vessels performing the same service are not?
The CCG is committed to applying the MNSF fairly and equitably to all vessels required to pay. However, in a marine environment with so many vessels engaged in such a wide variety of commercial marine activities, the CCG may not be fully aware of all of the vessels that should be paying the fee. The CCG is continually improving its ability to identify those vessels that should be paying the fee with the help of clients.

Q. 35. What if I want more information on the MNSF or have a problem with my Statement of Account? Invoice? Worksheet?
In Eastern Canada, if you wish more information on the MNSF or if your worksheet is incomplete or incorrect, please contact the MSFBCC office at our toll-free number 1-800-563-6295. If you need help in deciphering your invoice or Statement of Account, please contact DFO Revenue Accounting at (800) 563-6295.

In the Western Region, queries on invoices or Statements of Account should be directed to Thunder Bay Airport Services Inc. at (807) 473-2611.
This pamphlet is the first in a series prepared by the CCG.
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/eng/CCG/Ice_Fees_To_Canadian_Vessels
 
Another tax on you guide boat, Man thats Suckes, If it was me I would mail in 25 dollars and see what happens.
 
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