SpringVelocity
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No. Inboard doesn't make difference.
Looking into buying a new Kicker for my Seasport Skipper 19'
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salmonkiller01
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My 22 seasport trolls great with the 9.9 merc efi. 9.9 command thrust 122lbs vs 15 pro at 99 lbs. 20” leg on both. $500 price difference.
Sharphooks
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Nobody ever regretted having too much horsepower.
SpringVelocity
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just the wallet
MRWood
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It seems odd that the 15HP is lighter than the 9.9. Could it have something to do with command thrust vs pro model?
MRWood
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Looks like we’ll need to bring Stizzla into the HP argument
MRWood
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It seems like a cool idea but I’m not sure it would go with the decor on my stern
SpringVelocity
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Looks like we’ll need to bring Stizzla into the HP argument
Yeah its overkill for that boat.
If you can get the “boatshow special” on Suzuki 9.9, that’s usually when you get the best discounts or 3 year extended warranty ( 6 yrs total). I would also look into what @Rayvon mentioned about the hp upgrade to 20. Could potentially void the warranty but if it doesn’t, might be a great option.
I’d call Breakers in Alberni and ask them about the 2025 deals and the upgrade option. Good luck!
I’d call Breakers in Alberni and ask them about the 2025 deals and the upgrade option. Good luck!
MRWood
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Beauty pics and pretty little system.
Where is it that you’re fishing?
Rayvon
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I got that info from the Vector Suzuki dealer in Sidney,so I don't think it will void their warranty.Costs about $800 though.
salmonkiller01
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I find my 9.9 efi wonderful. Turn key and go. No choke, much smoother
Squire
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Just my observations stemming mostly from my experience with my Yamaha F9.9 HT but unless your kicker is EFI you may have more control with a kicker that is ‘just enough’ hp. For example: if you want to troll at 2.5 mph, when not affected by current you’ll want the kicker to be running significantly above idle so when you need to slow down you have room to go down in rpm without stalling or slipping into neutral.
I struggle with going slow enough to counteract the current pulling on my gear and wouldn’t consider getting a bigger carbureted kicker
I struggle with going slow enough to counteract the current pulling on my gear and wouldn’t consider getting a bigger carbureted kicker
Max123
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Did a bit of comparison a while ago on the various 9.9 options to compare actual rated power output based on data published by the California Emissions board:
Yamaha: 212cc / 7.3kw / 13.7n-m @ 4350rpm (Carb)
Suzuki: 327cc / 7.3kw / 18.4n-m @ 3000rpm (EFI)
Mercury: 209cc / 7.28kw / 13n-m @ 5000rpm (Carb)
Mercury Prokicker: 333cc / 7.83kw / 19.2n-m @ 2000rpm (EFI) (note - mercury website says 9.9 prokicker is 209cc, so not 100% sure about this)
Honda: 222cc / 7.4kw / 13.1 n-m @ 4500rpm (Carb)
Tohatsu: 209cc / 7.4kw / 14.1 n-m @ 4500rpm (Carb)
Tohatsu also makes an EFI motor now, I just don't have data on it
While all motors do produce roughly 9.9hp - the torque outputs are what tell the whole story. What makes the big difference is EFI - both suzuki and Merc EFI motors use larger displacement powerheads and produce way more torque at lower rpm than the equivalent carb motor. Night and day difference - as long as you go EFI you should be good, and as a bonus the sealed EFI systems are way less sensitive to ethanol gas because they can't dry out and varnish up.
One other note, the prokicker is obviously geared as a kicker motor @ 2.42:1 vs suzuki which is more of a general purpose small outboard and geared at 2.08:1.
If you are pushing around a boat at hull speed, the pro kicker is probably the 'better' option on paper - but the Suzuki with the right prop should be fine. Any EFI option would be way better than a carb motors. For a kicker, you kind of want a motor that doesn't mind being 'lugged' a bit, so that you are producing lots of thrust without revving the nuts off of it - that's where a high torque / low-rpm motor taht can swing a nice big prop will really shines.
Yamaha: 212cc / 7.3kw / 13.7n-m @ 4350rpm (Carb)
Suzuki: 327cc / 7.3kw / 18.4n-m @ 3000rpm (EFI)
Mercury: 209cc / 7.28kw / 13n-m @ 5000rpm (Carb)
Mercury Prokicker: 333cc / 7.83kw / 19.2n-m @ 2000rpm (EFI) (note - mercury website says 9.9 prokicker is 209cc, so not 100% sure about this)
Honda: 222cc / 7.4kw / 13.1 n-m @ 4500rpm (Carb)
Tohatsu: 209cc / 7.4kw / 14.1 n-m @ 4500rpm (Carb)
Tohatsu also makes an EFI motor now, I just don't have data on it
While all motors do produce roughly 9.9hp - the torque outputs are what tell the whole story. What makes the big difference is EFI - both suzuki and Merc EFI motors use larger displacement powerheads and produce way more torque at lower rpm than the equivalent carb motor. Night and day difference - as long as you go EFI you should be good, and as a bonus the sealed EFI systems are way less sensitive to ethanol gas because they can't dry out and varnish up.
One other note, the prokicker is obviously geared as a kicker motor @ 2.42:1 vs suzuki which is more of a general purpose small outboard and geared at 2.08:1.
If you are pushing around a boat at hull speed, the pro kicker is probably the 'better' option on paper - but the Suzuki with the right prop should be fine. Any EFI option would be way better than a carb motors. For a kicker, you kind of want a motor that doesn't mind being 'lugged' a bit, so that you are producing lots of thrust without revving the nuts off of it - that's where a high torque / low-rpm motor taht can swing a nice big prop will really shines.
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Good summary. Thanks for posting this.
The Yamaha hi thrust 9.9 has 2.92:1 gear ratio which is better than the others.
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