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salmon9
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With regards to public interest</u>. If I had a choice of hiring a guide for me, my family or friends, who I did not personally know, I would hire the guide with the DOT approved vessel, safety equipment and training/licensure. While I agree such events are unlikely, it does not change the fact that safety needs to improve.
Look at the airline industry and how much regulation is in place,the requirement for training, and the detailed investigation of events when crashes occurs. Where would the airline industry be today if the risks were not managed and regulated even if the probabilty of crashing was small. DOT investigates system wide risk, whether it be mechanical, skill, weather, communications, etc and make further regulatory, policy and manufacturing changes to improve overall safety.
Look at the airline industry and how much regulation is in place,the requirement for training, and the detailed investigation of events when crashes occurs. Where would the airline industry be today if the risks were not managed and regulated even if the probabilty of crashing was small. DOT investigates system wide risk, whether it be mechanical, skill, weather, communications, etc and make further regulatory, policy and manufacturing changes to improve overall safety.
Bring on the salt water fishing guide/charter license. I want a big number on the side of my boat (like the commercial boats) and every other licensed guide/vessel so we are all identified. Including a sticker which tells me and the paying public how many passengers the boat is legally allowed to carry.
wolf
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Well the C number would be fine LOL
dont want a 3 ft god awfull looking number on the boat wont be able to see LOL.
What you dont want to see a charter boat we all know out there rollie with 6 quests in it???with a 21 ft boat???
All this stuff is great but if we dont get enforcement what good is it.
I truely think when it all sinks in is when someone gets hammered with the $1250.00 fine doing illegal charters, then your going to see a mad scramble!!!!! saying "THESE ARE MY FRIENDS" isnt going to cut it as DOT is VERY much aware of what is going on and they are getting too much pressure for all sectors so hopefully something is going to happen this summer. im completly done got my YELLOW sticker in the mail the other day so im good to go.
Wolf
dont want a 3 ft god awfull looking number on the boat wont be able to see LOL.
What you dont want to see a charter boat we all know out there rollie with 6 quests in it???with a 21 ft boat???
All this stuff is great but if we dont get enforcement what good is it.
I truely think when it all sinks in is when someone gets hammered with the $1250.00 fine doing illegal charters, then your going to see a mad scramble!!!!! saying "THESE ARE MY FRIENDS" isnt going to cut it as DOT is VERY much aware of what is going on and they are getting too much pressure for all sectors so hopefully something is going to happen this summer. im completly done got my YELLOW sticker in the mail the other day so im good to go.
Wolf
fishingbc
Active Member
if you do challenge or take the TAG course and are able to land just one charter because of your TAG certifcation then its money well spent.....if marketing and getting clients on our boats in a very conpetitive market is helped by having the TAG acreditation or having to spend a few bucks then whats the big deal....
fishingbc
Active Member
THE MAD SCRAMBLE HAS ALREADY STARTED and there will be enforcement this year in ALL areas....to all those thinking they will fly under the radar this year they are saddly mistaken....good luck getting into a SVOP , medA 3 , ROC course in June July or August....the fine system is in place and there will be a zero tolerence right from the get go....many guides have banded together to make sure this happens this year in ALL marinas on the island....there is way too much business going to weekenders, americans, and black market operators and many have drawn the line in the sand .....
Duffer
Active Member
Rainbow One you are not required to have a "Guide License". However if you want to know what you require to be a guide check on Transport Canadas Website or better yet phone the closest TC to you and they will send you a package of what you require to recieve your yellow sticker. It is a long and drawn out process but in the end if you want it will be worth it.
Once you get your Commercial #s from the Feds, complete all the required courses, which grow every year, your small vessel Stability test, your TC inspection of your Boat. Am I missing anything? Then you can Guide. IF and only IF there isnt a new course developed by the time you finish this process. If you dont think this cost money check it out? LOL If you think that giving the Government some more money to say I have a "Guide License" for what a Floresent Pink Sticker, no I dont agree with it. How will having a Guiding License stop the guys that are operating under the radar Im not sure?
Does this help RO?
Once you get your Commercial #s from the Feds, complete all the required courses, which grow every year, your small vessel Stability test, your TC inspection of your Boat. Am I missing anything? Then you can Guide. IF and only IF there isnt a new course developed by the time you finish this process. If you dont think this cost money check it out? LOL If you think that giving the Government some more money to say I have a "Guide License" for what a Floresent Pink Sticker, no I dont agree with it. How will having a Guiding License stop the guys that are operating under the radar Im not sure?
Does this help RO?
Quite simple. If I have to pay say $10,000 for a charter license..don't mix up courses and boat certification...those are all passenger vessel requirements. A whale watcher, sight seeing, dinner cruiser and fishing charters etc etc all need these now. A charter license would be in addition to those and would allow you to take customers fishing. If I had a substantial investment in that piece of paper I'm going to personally make sure those without stay away. Its called self policing.
I think the under ground guys would dry up...it would become to risky doing business in front of those with major dollars invested. All it takes is a picture with a digital cam an email and enforcement is waiting at the dock!!!
I think the under ground guys would dry up...it would become to risky doing business in front of those with major dollars invested. All it takes is a picture with a digital cam an email and enforcement is waiting at the dock!!!
searun
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Not sure what all the fuss is about. The industry needs some level of professional standards that focus on safe operation. Operating a vessel with paying customers is analogous to running a commercial aircraft. Same duty to run a safe operation. The course requirements and safety mods to your vessel are easy to complete for the most part. A license system would be one more step towards ensuring we have professional standards in place and control over the underground operators.
Searun
Searun
quicksilver11
Member
Amen!
searun
Well-Known Member
Little tid bit for anyone who is guiding....you will need to carry the original certificate of your training on board your vessel for production upon request/inspection. The police will be doing the enforcement in large numbers this year. It is not good enough to have a copy of your certificate on board - it must be the original document. Apparently even laminating your certificate's is a no no...too late for me. Did them to protect the certificate from salt air...so a word to wise is put them in a baggie or something to protect them from the elements and in safe storage on your boat for quick production upon request. For those guys who think there will not be enforcement...think again...and I expect that the guys who have invested in training and doing the modifications to their boats are going to be the first people the police talk to about who is guiding illegally and who is not...its not rocket surgery to figure them out anyway.
Searun
Searun
Fishing Guide
Active Member
Cheers All,
I have found that the plastic 3 tab sleeves work great for the documents and allows one to easily remove them should one ever be asked for them. This keeps them from casual moisture or damage while on board yet, due to their 'valuable' nature, protects them so that they are not beat up.
I had several conversations with TC and I would also suggest the following:
1) Keep originals in plastic on board,
2) Make a digital copy and keep it as a computer file in case you need to forward it to TC, insurance company and in case original is lost, you can quickly use it to obtain a copy and,
3) Make a hard copy and keep it in a file in case you need to use it as an interim measure</u> should the original be lost/stolen/distroyed. Case in point is a fellow guide who's boat was stolen and subsequently recovered as a total write-off. All dcoumentation was gone/destroyed so to have the copies to help in working until acceptable replacements are procurred are much more helpfull than having nothing and starting from scratch.
Hope this helps...
Fishing Guide
www.invictuscharters.com
BC Outdoors Pro Staff
www.fishingvancouverisland.org
I have found that the plastic 3 tab sleeves work great for the documents and allows one to easily remove them should one ever be asked for them. This keeps them from casual moisture or damage while on board yet, due to their 'valuable' nature, protects them so that they are not beat up.
I had several conversations with TC and I would also suggest the following:
1) Keep originals in plastic on board,
2) Make a digital copy and keep it as a computer file in case you need to forward it to TC, insurance company and in case original is lost, you can quickly use it to obtain a copy and,
3) Make a hard copy and keep it in a file in case you need to use it as an interim measure</u> should the original be lost/stolen/distroyed. Case in point is a fellow guide who's boat was stolen and subsequently recovered as a total write-off. All dcoumentation was gone/destroyed so to have the copies to help in working until acceptable replacements are procurred are much more helpfull than having nothing and starting from scratch.
Hope this helps...
Fishing Guide
www.invictuscharters.com
BC Outdoors Pro Staff
www.fishingvancouverisland.org
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
I got my originals laminated...and made copies of them that I keep on board...other than LM and Radio which are passport like...so what should I do?? That just kinda pi$$es me off that I wouldn't be fine with the way I"m doing it now...seems stupid.
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searun
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I hear you...it would have been nice when issued if we were expressly warned not to laminate. Having said that it is too late if you already have other than to try to de-laminate and put them into a plastic folder as Gerry suggests. Just thought I would pass that along for anyone like me who was trying to protect the paperwork. Notwithstanding, I think the RCMP who are doing the enforcement will be looking at do you have them more than are they laminated. The whole point of not laminating is to make sure you do not have a fraudulent copy - the real deal has a water mark on it to protect against scammers.
So, at the end of the day the message was very, very clear...there is now as of Nov 09 the ability to have the RCMP actually write tickets and enforce the regulations. So everyone who mocked those of us who spent the time and money to comply will now find out in short order they will be tied up at the dock. The fines by the way are issued on a sliding exponential scale...first fine is small, second is double, third is triple and so on.....severe[xx(]
And the interesting thing is when the RCMP start talking to local operators in marinas around the coast, I'm sure that those folks who are non compliant will be pointed out[:0]...after all it's a highly competitive market and I see guys who are fed up starting to point fingers in frustration. I'm not saying I'm planning on ratting out anyone out, I'm just stating a fact based on what I have heard from other operators I know. They are happy there will be enforcement.
So if anyone hasn't completed the training and vessel inspection process, now is a very good time to start.
Searun
So, at the end of the day the message was very, very clear...there is now as of Nov 09 the ability to have the RCMP actually write tickets and enforce the regulations. So everyone who mocked those of us who spent the time and money to comply will now find out in short order they will be tied up at the dock. The fines by the way are issued on a sliding exponential scale...first fine is small, second is double, third is triple and so on.....severe[xx(]
And the interesting thing is when the RCMP start talking to local operators in marinas around the coast, I'm sure that those folks who are non compliant will be pointed out[:0]...after all it's a highly competitive market and I see guys who are fed up starting to point fingers in frustration. I'm not saying I'm planning on ratting out anyone out, I'm just stating a fact based on what I have heard from other operators I know. They are happy there will be enforcement.
So if anyone hasn't completed the training and vessel inspection process, now is a very good time to start.
Searun
Fishing Guide
Active Member
Cheers All,
Contravention of Transport Canada Regulations 'may' result in an A.M.P. - Assessed Monetary Penalty (commonly called a 'fine'). The basic A.M.P. begins at $1250.00 and, as has been mentioned, increases with severity and frequency.
It will be interesting to observe what occurs this summer when there is every indication that TC will be not only monitoring the existing regulations but beginning actual enforcement. It is becomming apparent that those who have spent countless hours and even more money to compete on an even basis - complying with the regulations that are in effect - are unwilling to suffer any further in silence. With that dynamic I anticipate that many operations that are not 'complient' will be highlighted by those that are bringing the 'A' game.
Fishing Guide
www.invictuscharters.com
BC Outdoors Pro Staff
www.fishingvancouverisland.org
Contravention of Transport Canada Regulations 'may' result in an A.M.P. - Assessed Monetary Penalty (commonly called a 'fine'). The basic A.M.P. begins at $1250.00 and, as has been mentioned, increases with severity and frequency.
It will be interesting to observe what occurs this summer when there is every indication that TC will be not only monitoring the existing regulations but beginning actual enforcement. It is becomming apparent that those who have spent countless hours and even more money to compete on an even basis - complying with the regulations that are in effect - are unwilling to suffer any further in silence. With that dynamic I anticipate that many operations that are not 'complient' will be highlighted by those that are bringing the 'A' game.
Fishing Guide
www.invictuscharters.com
BC Outdoors Pro Staff
www.fishingvancouverisland.org
wolf
Well-Known Member
When I did my stability test the DOT guy said there were sending out letters!!!! good to see.
And good luck to guys trying to get it all done in the summer.
Wolf
Blue Wolf Charters
www.bluewolfcharters.com
And good luck to guys trying to get it all done in the summer.
Wolf
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Tailspin
Active Member
The three other courses prior to the SVOP were maditory as well as C# even 5 years ago. Whats the hype now with the addition of SVOP becoming manditory in Nov 09. (what a painful course)
Why on earth would anyone be doing any Rat Work now, this stuff was a requirment 5 years ago for us. The few guys who spent money on this 5 years back including myself did't rat on the others for not doing it, why **** in the cornflakes now?
Christ sakes, fishing is supposed to be fun, don't let the everchanging TC burocracies take that away by bantering and throwing cheese balls around. It's a small community and a small piece of Rock VI, word travels fast, think about it, we all fish in the same pond[xx(]
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Why on earth would anyone be doing any Rat Work now, this stuff was a requirment 5 years ago for us. The few guys who spent money on this 5 years back including myself did't rat on the others for not doing it, why **** in the cornflakes now?
Christ sakes, fishing is supposed to be fun, don't let the everchanging TC burocracies take that away by bantering and throwing cheese balls around. It's a small community and a small piece of Rock VI, word travels fast, think about it, we all fish in the same pond[xx(]
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The less of a role the Federal govt. plays in our lives the better. All I need mention is the Firearm Registry and the Pleasure Boating Card. What a ridculous waste of money. It did not make Canada a safer place. Just like having licensed guides won't make any difference to safety. We need to move back to individual accountability. Not relying a big brother to figure out rules and process for every circumstance. I tired of govt. regulations, fees, and taxes that have no clear benefit to the citizens. Cut the bloody red tape already.
Tailspin this is a business that just happens to be fun. But for a few of us it is business, it pays the mortgage, feeds the family etc etc. I wonder if you were a longtime plumber and someone off the street with no qualifications started to reduce your work...if you would feel so generous.
