Is anyone Home? - by Bob Hooton

OldBlackDog

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Hi Bob,

Long time reader, first time commenter.

I often feel that the concerns related to all species of fish and their declining returns are focused solely on the harvest and impacts of harvests in river and at the mouth of the rivers.

It would be nice to see a broader investigation into the problem beyond just what is happening here at home.

With all that’s happening out there in the vast Pacific Ocean, why is the Department of Fisheries and Oceans not spending more of their resources tracking what happens to these fish when they outmigrate to the ocean?

I recognize that we have the power to change what’s happening at home more easily than what’s happening in the ocean, but if the most significant impacts are happening elsewhere then it seems futile focus on the dwindling returns.

Where do these fish go when they reach the ocean? What is impacting their ability to return to their home rivers?

These are the questions that need to be pursued relentlessly. Global and federal policy needs to be developed to remedy the situation causing these impacts.

If there is money to be spent on studies then why are we not studying this?

What is happening in the oceans that is making them a death ground for these fish before they ever have a chance to return to BC or Alaska or the PNW?

It’s easy to point fingers at anglers and guides and demand First Nations pull their nets but it’s very short sighted in my opinion.

Things can never change for the better if we can’t identify the root of the problem.

Do you have any theories about what is going on out there? It would be great to hear them rather than the same complaints about DFO allowing First Nations to net fish that they have a Constitutionally protected right to access. I don’t believe we will be changing the Constitution anytime soon so it seems a bit of a waste of air to keep yelling about it. Especially in today’s political climate as it pertains to First Nation’s issues in general.

Is there any way to push DFO to spend some of their time and financial resources to fund some research into what impacts that oceanic changes are having on the returns of salmon and steelhead globally?

Have you looked at any data from other countries regarding the returns of fish to their rivers? Can you provide any insight on this? You have such a long-standing position in the world of both management and biology I feel that you could really be a great asset on a project that focuses on these topics.

It frustrates me as an angler that I am painted as the demon when each year I am asked to continue reducing my meagre impact on these fisheries knowing that there must be some larger culprit at work here.

I would propose that DFO spend more time examining the impacts to fish migrations, food supply chain and oceanic changes on fish stocks and less time trying to kick the resident anglers, guides and First Nations off the rivers.

They are in fact called the Department of Fisheries and OCEANS not the Department of Fisheries and Rivers.

Where does the money go? What studies are even being conducted? All these meetings take place at the provincial and federal level and no one ever asks the simple question of what the hell is happening in our oceans that’s having such a negative impact on these fish stocks?

I know that I will be jumped upon as a selfish guide operator/ angler who only cares about dollar signs but I will say this in response:

Not many guides or operators are in this business getting rich. Everyone is in it because they have a passion for angling and want to share that passion with others. These are people who genuinely care about the rivers, the fish and the natural environment that sustains them.

We are not over here raking in cash hand over fist. Quite the opposite, to be frank. Most guide outfits barely make a profit and often just make enough to keep the lights on.

These outfits are built on people who have grown up with a deep love and admiration for the natural world and chose their career path in order to share that love with others.

It’s truly hurtful when at the first sign of trouble the fingers are pointed squarely in our direction and we are treated as pariahs for simply engaging in an activity that we have been doing sustainably for decades.

Call me selfish, but I feel I have a right to stand up for my industry and and my fellow anglers who seek out experiences that bring them closer to the rivers and natural places they love.

We are not the root of this problem. We are an easy target and that is all.

The real problems lie in the big complicated ocean and most people are too intimidated to even design a study to help answer the questions that everyone must be asking silently to themselves.

What the heck is going on out there?

If the goal is to save these fish then kicking anglers off the river is not the answer. Has it saved the Thompson steelhead? NO. One might argue that poaching is now at an all-time high there because the people who do the most reporting of poachers and provide the feet on the ground protection of these in river fish are resident anglers who actually give a sh*t. I can’t think of a single fishery that has been saved by kicking anglers off the river.

Moreover, the age of the Thompson river steelheader is continuing to rise and the direct connections that drive passionate conservation projects are dwindling. Those people who used to dedicate their time to habitat restoration, fish counts, redd counts and more projects to aid in the protection of in-river stocks are long gone. Told to stand back and let the government handle things.

It’s high time our government pull up their britches and spend some time and energy developing studies and policies to protect these fish in the places where they are spending such a large portion of their lives never to return – the oceans.

Call my opinions unpopular or selfish or whatever you want but I will say this – I have a post secondary education in an industry that has nothing to do with standing in a river in the bitter cold hoping for a brief encounter with a magical creature and those moments of clarity that can only be gleaned when one is truly at peace and at one with nature.

I gave up a lucrative career for which I invested tens of thousands of dollars and years of my life in the education system to pursue one instead that I believed had more value.

Call us greedy guides and selfish anglers all you want but the truth is far more nuanced than that.

We are the ones on the phone and in meetings with local and provincial and federal politicians fighting for more data.

We are the ones who meticulously record catch data only to have it ignored by the organizations we report it to and to be told simultaneously that we have too much of a negative impact on the fishery to continue. Which is it? Is our catch data an important indicator of our impact and the health of a fishery or is it irrelevant?

I would simply ask that the same amount of energy being put into driving anglers, guides and First Nations off the rivers be put into studying the ocean where arguably the most significant impacts to these fish are occurring.

I hope you do not take these comments of mine as directly criticizing what you do, Bob.

I have always been a long time admirer of your writing, your passion for fish and the time and energy you spend on the topic. I respect the years of experience you have working to protect them and I truly enjoy reading each and every one of your essays and books.

But every time I read these blogs posts and the comments they receive from keyboard cowboys who often are sitting around doing nothing except sitting on their computer chairs complaining I feel the desire to comment but I’m hesitant to do so because I fear being unfairly painted as some greedy guide operator who only sees dollar signs when they look at fish.

I could get a job elsewhere. A nice cushy one with a pension, benefits and all the trappings that today’s society tells you is the goal of all the education I have received.

I choose to stand by the fish. And I will tell you this. There are not dollar signs in my eyes.

I love these fish and these rivers as deeply as anyone could.

I am pleading with you, as someone who really has the ability and connections to do so, to start asking bigger questions than why are anglers angling and why are guides guiding and why are First Nations netting? Instead to ask why are these fish heading to the oceans and disappearing without a trace?

It’s a more difficult question to answer. A more expensive question to answer but I believe if we are to ultimately save these fisheries it is the most important question to answer.

Here I go, cringing as I click “Post Comment” with my unpopular opinions aired for the world to pounce upon.

Please be gentle with me!
 
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November 3, 2021 at 5:30 pm
Well, thanks for your comments and perspectives Elizabeth (Brian?). Forgive me for taking exception to being portrayed as anti-guide, anti-angler, anti-First Nations, yada, yada. Perhaps look carefully at the title of my site – “Steelhead Voices”. If you can find me anyone else that tries to speak for the fish as I have for so many years I’m all ears.
As far as identifying the broader issues affecting steelhead, coast wide, please remember I’m just an old retired guy with no influence whatsoever on things like Japan, Russia and Alaska overloading the Central North Pacific ecosystem with cultured pinks and chums that compete with steelhead for food resources at various stages of their ocean life history, I can’t change ocean temperature regimes, I do what I can to try and address the harvest of BC origin steelhead in domestic and international fisheries and I try and raise the level of awareness of those who might be able to address such things. Hell will freeze over before you and I see any results for any of that and I’m not the bad guy for saying so. In the meantime there are clear and manageable obstacles to improving the lot of steelhead that finally reach their river of origin. One of them is gill nets, an indiscriminate harvesting practice that had absolutely no precedent before Europeans arrived (i.e. there is no such thing as a gill net in “time immemorial”). As long as there is no independent third party monitoring and disclosure of just how serious a problem that is, recognition of the term conservation, and accountability for it by ALL users of the resource the trends we are observing are highly unlikely to improve.
Allow me to offer a few facts about the guiding industry. I was there from day one. I could name every guide on the Skeena and its tributaries and I was intimately familiar with their reports re angler days, catch, temporal and spatial distribution, etc. There is no one in office today who has a clue about the evolution of the industry in the 31 years since implementation of the regulations governing guide use on classified waters. Current circumstances bear no resemblance to the objectives and intent of those regulations. We’ve witnessed licensees become rod day brokers, often operating in multiple locations coincidentally. I could count on one hand the number of guides that operated more than one boat on any given day and the most prominent among them used drift boats. Look around today. How many guides have as many assistant guides, each in a separate high powered sled, as they choose to put on the water to fill their rod day quotas…..and that’s just on classified waters during classified periods. What about the unlimited traffic on classified waters during periods not restricted? What about zero restrictions on the number of guides, rod days, boats, etc. on all the next best unclassified waters? Does that not count as an item of concern when steelhead (and chinook) numbers have shrunk to the extent they have, especially over the past three years? Do you think that goes unnoticed by First Nations and doesn’t serve as a major impediment to any fruitful discussions around softening our collective footprints? Why is it evil for me to point out such issues?
Remind me please, where was the guiding community through all the years when the supply of fish they relied on was the focus of “trench warfare” between the province (David) and DFO/commercial industry (Goliath)? I can tell you guides never showed up. Ah, but try and deal with rod day quotas that had no basis in fact (read my Skeena book) and the proverbial **** hit the fan. Al of a sudden I’m public enemy #1 for daring to illustrate the mischief in the notion a guide is just a guide is just a guide three decades later. This past Skeena season would seem to serve as confirmation of all of that. What drove the decision to keep the fishery open until after Thanksgiving given the absolute clarity around the conservation circumstances? Dollars, pure and simple.
I respect guides as individuals and people dedicated to delivering a product they cherish. I don’t say they are bad, although I do not appreciate the end runs and back stabbing I’m experiencing recently from some in that fraternity. Everyone has the opportunity to engage in the business but please remember it’s a public resource. If there isn’t enough of it to sustain people’s expectations, what am I/we supposed to do
 
Allow me to offer a few facts about the guiding industry. I was there from day one................................

Your observations and conclusions about the guiding industry on the Skeena closely mirror what I have witnessed on the Stamp/Somass system.
 
Allow me to offer a few facts about the guiding industry. I was there from day one................................

Your observations and conclusions about the guiding industry on the Skeena closely mirror what I have witnessed on the Stamp/Somass system.
Finger wagging and personalizing attacks instead of considering the perspective being offered is how I read the response - attacking people who actually care just as deeply as yourself about the state of our fishery isn't helpful in creating a collaborative environment where we might be able to take collective action. Highly unproductive IMO.
 
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Eric
November 3, 2021 at 8:38 pm
I took the time to read the high-minded language and lofty fishery management policy changes contemplated by the New Fisheries Act and the Pacific Salmon Strategy Initiative.
Having invested the time and energy to wade through those two documents (presumably, the current official policy positions of Fisheries and Oceans Canada), it is both breathtaking and laughable when the specific language put forth in the NFA and PSSI are viewed through the lens of DFO chum openings on the Fraser and the tragic augering into the face of a cliff we see happening to the interior Fraser steelhead populations. What were…what are…. they thinking??????
And in the same breath, I would also point the same j’accuse finger at FLNRORD for opening the Skeena system to a rec fishery this past September. A projected steelhead return of under 6,000 fish…..clearly an Extreme Conservation Concern…..What were they thinking????? Did they even take the time to read the NFA and the PSSI?
Apparently not. In response to a piece of correspondence I wrote to a FLNRORD official, it was clearly acknowledged that indeed, the decision to open the rec fishery (code language for Lodge and Guide fishery ) was an economic decision far more then a conservation decision. This was penned without the hint of a blush.
So with all due respect to the post from what is presumably a Skeena guide operation above, why should the fact that a commercial operation is or is not “raking in money hand over fist” even be considered worthy of mention when a resource has clearly been shown to be an extrememe conservation concern? The New Fishery Act wouldn’t even deign a response to such a comment. If you took the Act and freeze-dried it, what would remain is this edict:
Do No Fish No Harm.
I’m having difficulty seeing any evidence of that either on either the Fraser or the Skeena.
Meanwhile, this past August the owner of a guide operation on the Deschutes made a decision to close his business voluntarily out of respect for the projected low returns seen from dam counts downstream. He reportedly made this decision weeks before fishery managers made the Deschutes closure official. But for some reason he found it worthy to mention that his operation also doesn’t “rake in money hand over fist” either, and furthermore, did we, the common fishermen and fisherwomen, have any idea how much he owed the banks for his fleet of jet boasts?
Aside from my typo, this begs the question——why should the loans he took out to finance his guide operation in the face of dwindling steelhead stocks even concern us? It is galling to even bring that arguement to the table when we compare current steelhead returns to historical returns. That tragic bit of biological news seems to trump the monetary return one makes on a resource extraction investment. It also throws glaring light on the fact that given those projected returns (every year they seems to get skinnier and skinnier), it appears to have been a poor investment decision to build out the operation in the first place?
And it’s all the more infuriating to hear them suggest they should be allowed to continue their operations because they aren’t the cause of these stock declines and we would all be better served by perhaps eradicating every pinniped that swims, harvesting foreign high-seas gill nets, shutting down hatcheries in Alaska, Russia and Japan etc etc , and just let them guide their clients in peace, right down to the last remaining spawner because it’s all catch and release, one and done, minimal footprint….etc etc.. and what has kicking a fisherman off the river ever done for the fish anyway?
This comes straight from the mouths of a group that has made their living off the backs of wild steelhead for three or four decades now. And the fact that it is a public resource never seems worthy of mention. That being said, judging from the behavior of some of the guides I have seen and the way they conduct themselves on the river during some of the lean years, the body language (cutting you off with their jet boat on the way to a hole) seems to suggest it it is indeed “their” resource because of course, they have bank payments to make on their fancy new inboard sleds….our only investment is a rod and a reel and our waders so what’s the big deal?
I remember one day hiking down into a canyon on the Bulkley. It was the fourth Sunday in September, BC Rivers Day. As an alien angler, I couldn’t fish. But I could pick garbage up off the river. Seemed like a good way to spend BC Rivers Day.
I got into a hole that I used to find lots of solitude back in the 70’s and 80’s. The guides discovered it with their sleds in the 90’s so those days were over. I’d learned to live with that. There had recently been a high water and there were lots of Safeway bags and plastic packing materials tangled up in bushes along the river. There were footprints on the beach. Within a meter or so of the garbage hung in the bushes.
A sled went past me upstream full of clients, big beaming smiles. They’d stumbled into all that filthy lucre….thus, the smiles. But to my dismay, with all that unused deck space in his fancy new sled, the guide running the boat must have found it beneath his dignity to snatch the bags out of the bushes. On BC Rivers Day no less …it just never crossed his mind. Why should it? He had bigger fish to fry.
I pondered that all the way back out of the canyon. Those bags and the other garbage I had picked up weighed heavy in my pack. To my dismay, what I’d seen that day told the sad story that fishing in this neighborhood was no longer a pastime for the common man….a source of solitude and reflection……no….it was a business now, co-opted by Lodge owners and their guides….and there was no way of ever going back.
 
Boy, that just makes me want to get out there and do something for fish. I feel pretty filthy being a recreational fisher....all I seem to do is TAKE, TAKE, TAKE
 
That's the thing searun, maybe its time we do what's best for the fish, and that might include no sportsfishing, when needed.
Really, pretty bold statement, and you are assuming that I hold a freshwater license and regularly fish steelhead, and I haven't done other work such as habitat improvement etc? I know I can look in the mirror on both counts. Believe it or not, there ARE recreational anglers who actually care deeply about the resource and put something back. Where we go from here however, is the demographic of people who actually remember what steelhead are all about, and care are "aging out." What then, when they are gone like the steelhead. Pave paradise.... answers Bob's question
 
Really, pretty bold statement, and you are assuming that I hold a freshwater license and regularly fish steelhead, and I haven't done other work such as habitat improvement etc? I know I can look in the mirror on both counts. Believe it or not, there ARE recreational anglers who actually care deeply about the resource and put something back. Where we go from here however, is the demographic of people who actually remember what steelhead are all about, and care are "aging out." What then, when they are gone like the steelhead. Pave paradise.... answers Bob's question
I would say it actually isn't a bold statement rather it is the realty we are facing as recreational anglers, how do we minimize are impact on diminishing fish stocks while still enjoying angling? How do we manage Catch and Release fisheries with no limits (C and R limits). Is the resident angler being put before the commercial sports fishing community? How are we perceived by other stake holders such as FN when we continue to fish during an extreme conservation crisis...... What is good for the future of the fish, rather than what I need now? How can I minimize my ecological foot print on a diminishing resource during precarious times?
 
I would say it actually isn't a bold statement rather it is the realty we are facing as recreational anglers, how do we minimize are impact on diminishing fish stocks while still enjoying angling? How do we manage Catch and Release fisheries with no limits (C and R limits). Is the resident angler being put before the commercial sports fishing community? How are we perceived by other stake holders such as FN when we continue to fish during an extreme conservation crisis...... What is good for the future of the fish, rather than what I need now? How can I minimize my ecological foot print on a diminishing resource during precarious times?


That is exactly it, Teal, and it amazes me how tone-deaf the Lodges and guides are not to see the points you make. This is really BAD OPTICS for them.....opening operations on the Skeena this year I think was a stupid business decision. It’s a thumb in the eye of conservation and a spit in the eye of the guard rails laid out by the scientitifc community (when is a resource deemed ECC, and if it has been so deemed, what do we do about it to address the ECC?) and on top of that, green-lights FN policy makers and lobbyists to go full speed ahead on whatever harvest model they operate on today or plan on operating on tomorrow. Not much need to negotiate or curtail harvest because FLNRORD and Lodge owners says all is good.
 
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Really, pretty bold statement, and you are assuming that I hold a freshwater license and regularly fish steelhead, and I haven't done other work such as habitat improvement etc? I know I can look in the mirror on both counts. Believe it or not, there ARE recreational anglers who actually care deeply about the resource and put something back. Where we go from here however, is the demographic of people who actually remember what steelhead are all about, and care are "aging out." What then, when they are gone like the steelhead. Pave paradise.... answers Bob's question
I wasn't referring to you at all and have no doubt you have done and are doing your share. Just saying we as sportsfishers are a big part of the problem and need to understand that.
 
As someone mentioned earlier "How about their clients!!!!!!!!!!!! No, how about the damn fish for a change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
as someone watching this one un fold there seems to be 2 disagreements.. the Public sport fishery and then there is the Guiding industry?
 
From the blog,
Pat,

November 4, 2021 at 4:11 pm
For some time now I’ve avoided commenting on the various posting in Steelhead Voices. There was and is no need to restate the information documented by Bob Hooton, a dean of steelhead advocacy. So, my comment is now aimed at us, the steelhead angling community, of which I’m one.
While suggestions for how to tackle the problems facing steelhead in the province have been presented in the postings and comments of Steelhead Voices, actions have been less than dramatic. Various organizations and individuals have attended meetings on the issues for the last two decades or more regarding threats to our steelhead populations. Letters have been written by those same groups and individuals to ask for a change in steelhead management at the federal and provincial levels. Government has been asked to treat the crisis in some river systems as existential.
The response of government (provincial and federal) has been mostly on paper, or one of delay and obfuscation. Responses have largely come in the form of studies, policy papers, and management documents each claiming to address critical issues, with few actions that have been consequential.
For the last 20 years or more we’ve known that there was a serious problem with Interior Fraser Steelhead. What has changed? The only change has been a decline toward extirpation. That is what government has reaped from all the meetings, papers, and plans. The same could be said of many Vancouver Island steelhead streams, and now we are on the doorstep of losing Skeena River steelhead populations.
My years of sitting on committees and boards, writing letters, and attending meeting with government has had little effect. A sad truism I must recognize, and sure I’m not alone in this recognition. I was dupped into thinking that my involvement had meaning and would effectuate change.
Why haven’t we seen consequential change take place given the actions of organizations and individuals? Maybe the answer is that we started from the wrong premise. Maybe we thought, incorrectly, that government had the best interests of steelhead as the focus, when in truth government didn’t have any reason to really give a lick about steelhead. Maybe we kept thinking that all the words were leading to actions, but as my mom suggested years ago, “Watch what they do, not what they say.” I should have followed her advice.
Now what? That answer isn’t easy. Are we, the angling community, willing to make change happen, or will we simply attend one more meeting or write another letter? In the article, There’s Only One Option, Bob Hooton suggests a critical target to address that will work to save steelhead. That option is followed by contacting government and raising the solution. This, of course, is important, but far from a panacea. I’m going to add, remember government only acts when it believes it is threatened. Political power is the change agent. We need to be a voice, a common voice with a target, but we also need voices that have political influence to speak. Politicians listens when power is talking. We need individuals of influence, brokers of power. Maybe asking power brokers for help will turn the tide. We know who these individuals are, they own businesses related to steelhead angling, they are contributors to politicians, etc. We must make government aware of just how much power the angling community can express.
One thing that I’m sure of is that doing the same thing repeatedly without results is not the path to continue. Either groups and individuals go all in on making government accountable and action orientated or just allow for the extirpation of steelhead
 
From the blog,

Bob,

November 4, 2021 at 4:55 pm
Wise words Pat. What you have said here is the primary reason I turned to writing and blogging instead of participating in process for the sake of process that serves only to provide government the opportunity to check its “consultation” box without ever doing anything. That said there is one last campaign I have committed to that will be my final act of masochism. If it doesn’t achieve its intended conservation objective it will be time for all of us to just ride off into the sunset.
Thanks again for your sobering reminders.
 
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