or bulk carriers at anchor - or anything that threatens their self-lie of "everything is untouched", "let nature takes it's course", etc. etc.
Karen NIMBYs all over the place....
I got an email from the "Whale Enforcement Unit" (Transport Canada)
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Karen NIMBYs all over the place....
ship happens
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I've never seen freighters anchored in that channel. Pretty high flow there too.
Go have a drive past that section, and the other section along the south western side of saturna. Some high end homes there. That's the reason right there. Someone has a pass
Spoke with TC staff at the boat show today. Quite personable /friendly bunch and were happy to answer questions... for the bluffs, they apparently have several theodolites installed and volunteers manning them.
So they are getting boat location via triangulation, which i suspect is more accurate than GPS/ais data .. but they do harvest ais as well.
BC Coast Pilot
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That's super interesting, I wonder
1/volunteers know each other and could collaborate or corrupt data as they have an agenda
2/They appear to be unstabilized radar units, easily unreliable data
3/AIS and radar work on different principals, mostly not producing the same data
4/I would challenge the data as unreliable in court. But...the way they have set it up you cannot have your day in court as its an AMP I understand
ziggy
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I wonder if you refused to pay the fine would they have to take you to court to recover it and inadvertently give you your day in court. If not,were they to take recovery action outside of court, would they be required to justify it and give you an opportunity to dispute it then? Seems pretty unusual that you can be fined without validated or contested proof. Any Lawyers here?
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BC Coast Pilot
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Look up AMPS or Administrative Monetary Penalties it's the new way of government business. If you didn't pay it would most likely go in the usual way of government repayments such as tax rebates or pay garnishment.
Have a look at these fines
Non-Corporate Offenders Administrative Enforcement Action Summary – 2025
2025- Non-Corporate administrative enforcement actions summaries
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ziggy
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From Transport Canada site, not sure how successful the appeals actually are but it looks like they are available.Look up AMPS or Administrative Monetary Penalties it's the new way of government business. If you didn't pay it would most likely go in the usual way of government repayments such as tax rebates or pay garnishment.
Have a look at these fines
Non-Corporate Offenders Administrative Enforcement Action Summary – 2025
2025- Non-Corporate administrative enforcement actions summariestc.canada.ca
“The AMP scheme includes review and appeal procedures. The person or vessel must either:
- Pay the full amount, or
- Request a review of the charge or penalty with the Transportation Appeal Tribunal of Canada”
ziggy
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Here’s a link I found. Start at par 39
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/m-0.8/page-4.html#h-353044
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/m-0.8/page-4.html#h-353044
SpringVelocity
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It is odd that a main member of the NGO movement and advocate lives on this island. Just look at it from 1000ft view.
Why does the island in particular have the most fishing restrictions out of any on island? And it also has most tattletailing public on its shores? Its like the NGO are putting a moat around a castle
with taxpayers money.
Nope not weird or anything. Must be an oversight....
How unfair to citizens that live on island.
Why does the island in particular have the most fishing restrictions out of any on island? And it also has most tattletailing public on its shores? Its like the NGO are putting a moat around a castle
with taxpayers money.Nope not weird or anything. Must be an oversight....
How unfair to citizens that live on island.
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I think this organization is the one holding the smoking gun (pages 17-19): https://simres.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/SIMRES-2024-Report-5.pdfIt is odd that a main member of the NGO movement and advocate lives on this island. Just look at it from 1000ft view.
Why does the island in particular have the most fishing restrictions out of any on island? And it also has most tattletailing public on its shores? Its like the NGO are putting a moat around a castle
Nope not weird or anything. Must be an oversight....
How unfair to citizens that live on island.
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SpringVelocity
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SpringVelocity
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Get a load of this website. People are logging visual sightings from land and it's also using those installed radar data overlayed on top.
This was last year
Here is website
This was last year
Here is website
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I took my time chiming in on this topic because I had hoped to get to the Boat Show and speak to the DFO folks there. Unfortunatley while spending time back east with my brother who is a permanent locked floor hospital resident (Alzhiemers) or on my flight home I contracted the Noro Virus. The effects of getting that virus are simply not fun and after one bout in San Fran I learned about the virtues of PediLite. We now keep two bottles on the boat in case a guest gets SeaSick and keep more at home.
One has to wonder if there is a revenue sharing model where part of the fines collected (or levied) goes to the watchers to support their observation posts and equipment costs. An FOI request(s) might prove helpful.
I had been thinking about the fines for far more egregious offenses i.e. DWI
In BC the maximum fines for a DWI are lower than the $5,000 for crossing into a Whale Zone
In Canada, a maximum fine of $5,000 is the standard, default penalty for most offences prosecuted by summary conviction (the least serious type of offence) under Section 787(1) of the Criminal Code, often accompanied by up to two years less a day in jail.
Many "hybrid" offences—which can be treated as either summary or indictable—have a $5,000 maximum fine if the Crown chooses to proceed summarily.
Examples of criminal offences that often carry a maximum fine of $5,000 (when proceeded with via summary conviction) include:
Disclaimer: Criminal laws can change. The information provided is based on typical sentencing for summary conviction offences as of 2024-2026, where a $5,000 fine is the standard max under s. 787(1) of the Criminal Code.
Please correct me if I am wrong but it appears that we now have a group of self appointed and self-interested volunteers working together to capture data that has a fine levied without trial.
A fine that is levied without the involvment of the Crown, or the Police.
Does this mean that I can run a movie camera and a radar gun on the Upper Levels Highway at night at Westview and issue speeders tickets. I am thinking that is not going to happen.
One has to wonder if there is a revenue sharing model where part of the fines collected (or levied) goes to the watchers to support their observation posts and equipment costs. An FOI request(s) might prove helpful.
I had been thinking about the fines for far more egregious offenses i.e. DWI
In BC the maximum fines for a DWI are lower than the $5,000 for crossing into a Whale Zone
The cost of impaired driving
B.C. has the toughest drinking and driving laws in Canada. If you’re caught driving impaired, you could face these penalties:- Driving suspensions from 24 hours to 90 days
- Vehicle impoundment
- Fines, from $600 to $4,060
- Jail time
- Mandatory rehabilitation
- Installation of ignition interlock in your vehicle
In Canada, a maximum fine of $5,000 is the standard, default penalty for most offences prosecuted by summary conviction (the least serious type of offence) under Section 787(1) of the Criminal Code, often accompanied by up to two years less a day in jail.
Many "hybrid" offences—which can be treated as either summary or indictable—have a $5,000 maximum fine if the Crown chooses to proceed summarily.
Examples of criminal offences that often carry a maximum fine of $5,000 (when proceeded with via summary conviction) include:
- Causing a Disturbance (s. 175)
- Trespassing at Night (s. 177)
- Public Nudity (s. 174)
- Theft Under $5,000 (s. 334(b) - when summary)
- Fraud Under $5,000 (s. 380(1)(b) - when summary)
- Possession of Property Obtained by Crime Under $5,000 (s. 355)
- Mischief/Damage to Property Under $5,000 (s. 430)
- Taking an Automobile Without Consent (s. 335)
- Soliciting Near Children or Stopping Traffic for Prostitution (s. 213)
- Unlawful Assembly (s. 66)
- Failure to Comply with a Data Preservation Demand (s. 487.0197)
- Harassing Phone Calls (s. 372)
- Fraudulently Obtaining Transportation (s. 393)
Disclaimer: Criminal laws can change. The information provided is based on typical sentencing for summary conviction offences as of 2024-2026, where a $5,000 fine is the standard max under s. 787(1) of the Criminal Code.
Please correct me if I am wrong but it appears that we now have a group of self appointed and self-interested volunteers working together to capture data that has a fine levied without trial.
A fine that is levied without the involvment of the Crown, or the Police.
Does this mean that I can run a movie camera and a radar gun on the Upper Levels Highway at night at Westview and issue speeders tickets. I am thinking that is not going to happen.
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Excellent post BCCP! Hit the nail on the head.
There has been a precedent set wrt law enforcement using volunteer radar data to issue traffic/speeding fines:
Volunteer with Tri-Cities Speed Watch | Coquitlam, BC
Speed Watch supports the Coquitlam RCMP’s road safety goals by collecting real-time data about speeding, boosting police visibility on local roads, and raising drivers’ awareness of their speed and the posted speed limits in local collision hotspots.
BUT... These volunteers have to be: "Willing and able to pass RCMP security screening and suitability interview"
Did that happen with this bunch? That'd be 1 thing to bring-up in court.
How accurate is that radar? Does it have a calibration certificate? That might be another challenge:
And then there is the issues with AIS - which is actually dependent upon the shipsource GPS to display & transmit geolocational data - which also has inaccuracies (typically +/- 10m).
Its like the NGO are putting a moat around a castle
Nope not weird or anything. Must be an oversight....
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Bill 310 - When you go to court you can use all the legal points generated on this thread and submit them as part of your defense - notarized as an affidavit:
I'm sure you would know much more about fishing than almost any lawyer - and I would never infer you were any fool. Guess I am used to defending myself in court - and saving money. Good luck with the case. I hope you set some case law against their approach.
