Peahead..and there lies one of the major problems...human arrogance. What makes us think we are any more important? We are no more important in NATURES </u>plan than any other living creature sharing this place with us. Man made himself the so called most important creature. What species if gone would result in the most benefit to the planet and all life on it? What species is most likely to cause the complete collapse of present day life on the planet? We are only one crazy in power in some 3rd world country with a nuke away from it.
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dO YOU GUYS ALL REMEMBER THE LITTLE,FOUR EYED THICK RED HEAD KID IN SCHOOL THAT HAD AND STILL HAS AN ANSWER TO AND FOR EVERYTHING, WITH A SMARTER,BRIGHTER BUT MORE CONDESCENDING ANSWER TO OUT WIT AND TO BELITTLE , WELL I THINK WE HAVE JUST RAN INTO THE KNOW IT ALL AGAIN HERE---PROFISHER AKA KNOW ALL BE ALL SEE ALLL ...........oooooops sorry for the caps, profish can fix this too.....[^]
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If it was me I would throw the human a life ring, but then would have to xheck with Profisher because we all know he would have to involved in making the politically correct decision,,,,,,so buddy learn to swim real quick.[^][
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Peahead
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quote:Originally posted by HOOTEY
If it was me I would throw the human a life ring, but then would have to xheck with Profisher because we all know he would have to involved in making the politically correct decision,,,,,,so buddy learn to swim real quick.[^][
Funny though he actually never answered my question. Perhaps because he knows d#*m well, and if he was sane, he'd through the man the life ring ....but he just can't admit it !!
Hey Dirty!
Alls good in the hood. Yes we definitly gotta hook up for some Naden Harbor Reunion and some steelhead fishing. drop me a PM and we'll make it happen. Charlottes@shaw.ca
Alls good in the hood. Yes we definitly gotta hook up for some Naden Harbor Reunion and some steelhead fishing. drop me a PM and we'll make it happen. Charlottes@shaw.ca
I'd throw guy a life ring and shoot the seal for food if I had to, without even the slightest hesitation. But there in lies a difference, taking only what you need, when you need it and making use of it. Not a cull to simply reduce their numbers to make it more convenient for you and me to fish. A question for you...would you kill or cull Killer Whales? I'll let you answer that one.
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PROFISHER,,,pretty sure if you read the post correctly it was trying to protect the salmon.......dumb butt![^]
Seems like we just go round in circles because we just can't admit we take the majority of the fish from the ocean not the seals. Seals don't cut down the forest silting up spawning grounds, damn rivers, draw water to irrigate crops to feed our out of control population, pollute waters, build fish farms to supply world markets year round, net the rivers illegally for so called social fish or try and kill off their competitors so they can have them all to themselves. Tackle those issues and save the salmon. By the way not going to happen because we will need more fish farms and more crops and more hydro power in the near future. We will need to feed another 6 billion of us in the next 40 to 50 years. Doesn't the thought of BC in 50 years being like India and China now make you want to live to be 120.
By the way Hootey, stick to debating the issue, stop the personal attacks, I'm good at those too if i have to. But would rather just debate...you have an opinion and I'm reading them and responding. That is enough! You will win some over, I'll win some over. In the end neither of us will be around long enough to see who was right anyway.
Peahead
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Thank you for picking man over seal. I was getting worried there for a while.
Why would I want to cull killer whales? Cull a species that have few numbers and dropping, huh ?
I do agree with you that we should not kill seals needlessly or just because they steal our salmon off our hooks. I never said that... and thats not why there would be a cull, if one was ever approved.
If the seal numbers continue to increase and they continue to depleat our salmon stocks by killing fish at river mouths and in spawning grounds ( especially weak stocks) I totally support a cull or a fishery for them. I'd volunteer to help too!
For Human's, if we over fish or poach at river mouths or in the spawning grounds we try to catch them and fine them or put them in jail and perhaps take their licences away. We can't put seals in jail or fine them ( and they don't have licences) so that just wouldn't be too successful
Did you know that many years ago there was a problem with deer on the gulf Islands. Because deer were protected, there got to be so many of them that when they died there were rotting carcases lying everywhere especially after a cold winter ...it was becoming a big problem so they had a 'cull' ( which actually was just a controlled open hunting season on them ) The numbers were brought down and all was kept in 'check'. A open hunting 'season' can really act as a controlled cull. Do you disagree with hunting ?
Of course with no humans on earth, nature could be left to its own devices to keep things in 'check', but humans have lived here now for quite some time so that hasn't worked for a while
The reason I asked about culling killer whales was to see if I could get a different emotional response if they are the ones in question. What if their population returned to historic levels and people thought they ate to many fish. Would you agree to culling them as easy as you do with seals? I'm betting less of you would because we have more respect for whales than we do for seals.
Sorry never saw the question about hunting. Nope not against hunting at all. So long as the kill is consumed. Don't agree with trophy hunting where the rack is the goal and the rest is discarded. I put that right up there with poachers who only want a specific part for profit ie..bear parts for the Asian market, or bald eagle feathers.
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Speaking of hunting for Salmon, whats your take on the F/N hunting from the Cowichan River bridge spearing anything they can then choosing which Salmon to keep and discarding the damaged Salmon? And the F/N who continually to fish thwe Cowichan River with treble hooks when we have to fish legally, Fair is Fair I am pretty sure they are not taking these Salmon for festive or ceremonial purposes.....[]
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Thanks Peahead, for explanning the CULL or KULL this was my point.[^]
My position on the illegal FN fishery is well documented on this site. The seal issue still comes back to who is really to blame and where could the most gains be made to restore the runs. Killing a bunch of seals that live out on the ocean beaches won't save the salmon. If all anglers released fish they didn't need for their own consumption it would probally do more. FN's included!!!
Peahead
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I think perhaps a cull would be more widely acceptable if it was more understood. Perhaps educating the public that it is not a needless thining out of animals with no benefit. Preferably done as a controlled commercial catch or sport hunt so that the animal could be used and not waisted, as you suggested.
As far as whales go, its highly unlikely this would ever be necessary, so hard to imagine but if they became as populated as seals with a serious problem arising I suppose it would be an option I could accept. Not sure whales could make it to most spawning grounds however ! Also whales seem to move around and may come into an area or river mouth and then move out quite quickly, whereas seals move in to stay and sometimes take over an area making it home, even for months or more.
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