Hooks

Excellent information, Rock.

The 9650 hooks on ebay are cut point, not cone. The 8650's on ebay are indeed cone, but what's the difference between a 9650 and a 8650 hook?

I did a test on my hooks last summer. On fish around 20 pounds, my hooks worked great. Even fish almost 30 pounds, no problem. Then I hooked a bigger one ...and it completely straightened one of the three hooks. Luckily I still netted the fish: 33 pounds. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle> I think the hook was a standard wire at best so now I'm interested in gearing up for the off chance I hook into something really big.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
Anybody ever tried Cutting point hooks made by owner? I know that they are expensive. I've used Gammy's and Mustad hooks but when I fish in a derby there is no question. I'm going to use the Owners. I have never seen a hook actually bury into the jawbone of a fish before. I had to use my pliers to get it out and it was Barbless of course. If anyone has any info on where i can get them it would be great.
 
Hey Rock,
I guide up at Langara and we have four or five guides at my lodge that use them. I love them. I'm just tryin to find the cheapest ones. They are really sharp and never rust and super strong you'll never straighten one out. I reuse all of my hooks. The only way I lose them is if my guest brakes them off. SLAP on the hand!! hehe
 
Hey Rock ,
Sorry I don't use trebles I just use singles cause I just cut plug up there. Do they make Owner trebles in the cutting point? If you were able to try them I think you'd be happy.
 
The Chosen one,
Where we fish in Sooke its mainly whole anchovy with a treble.. some use singles/trailers ect. ... all depends on what you like, every one has a different style I guess...

I see the Owner ST41 treble has the cutting point tip but its not a 4x strong. The ST66 is a needle point but 4X strong.. Now that I remember I saw the cutting point tip in the store once along time ago just didn't put the brand name together here. My first concern that came to mind when I saw the cutting triple point was when the hook imbeds itself in the fish will the triple bladed edge cut even a larger hole once in the fish during the fight? All so wouldn't it require more hook pressure to imbed the cutting point over a thin needle point style hook?? All so as the cutting point imbeds itself wouldn't the three cutting points create three cuts along the inside of the hole?? now adding pressure to the hook hole during the fight with three cuts acting as fracture points to split open in the hole? Seems like an odd design... I think why I never gave them a try.... Ever came across any of these problems with the cutting point?
 
Hey Rock, That's what I thought before I tried them but if you kind of look at the point it is flat on the inside so its almost like a blade I have not really had any problems getting the hooks into fish but we are using thirty pound leaders and not shy about setting hooks. I have lost fish with these hooks but no more than I think I would with other ones. i dunno but I trust em. The three ridges are not actually sharp they are just ridges.



Edited by - the chosen one on 03/09/2006 14:54:32
 
Okay, here's the information on how VMC hooks are numbered (as provide by the guy selling hooks on ebay, the same guy for whom Rock posted links). I think VMC updated it's numbering recently and that may have caused some confusion ...at least for me.

All model #s beginning in 9 are Cut Point
All model #s beginning in 8 are Cone Cut
All model #s beginning in 7 are Needle Point
All model #s beginning in 4 are Pyramid Cone Point

Any thoughts on the pro's or con's of these different points? So many choices. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Wolf, do the Cone Cuts stay sharp a long time, and what about sharpening?

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
Red by the time I need to sharpen them im throwing them out anyways Ill be honest i hate sharpening hooks thats one of the reasons i buy them quicker and simpler less down time as i said earlier about every week or so as they do not rust


Good luck Wolf
 
Thanks Wolf.

So I guess I'll order some 8650's, the Cone Cuts. In terms of size, I think I want a 1/0. The trebles I used last year are a bit small (although I landed every spring I hooked last year using just one little treble hook); they measure only 7/8th of an inch wide across point to point (probably only a #1). I'm guessing a 1/0 would be about 15/16th wide and a 2/0 would be about an inch wide?

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
So I was checking out hooks yesterday, and it appears that the trebles I've been using are only #2 size, but they are round bend VMC's as packaged by Rhys-Davis, with no mention of point or model number. As previously mentioned, I think the wire in these hooks is a bit weak for big fish so I'm going to order some cone cut VMC's in a stronger wire (the 8650's are probably stronger than what I have been using) and a larger hook. Hmmm... a #1 or 1/0. Whatever I decide will mean using lots of the same hooks (500) for a while.

Maddog, you said you liked trebles in size #2. What type do you use? And do you use a single #2 for big springers?

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
Red, I believe i use a #2 up front with a smaller #4 trailer for chovies in a tandem setup, as the roll is not as nice with the same size hook on both IMO. Both are Vmc 8650 PS trebles. For whole herring i think a 1/0 or 2/0.

I also have used the eagle claw trebles with good results.Some of my buddies fish with confidence and good results, all sorts of rusted hooks over and over until they are to filed down to far or break! I like the brand new no rust look myself.

Overall i think the VMC keeps its point longer and as many here have said they last longer and barley even corrode if sprayed off with a spray bottle after use.

I have to buy more soon too. Good Luck
 
Thanks Mr. Dog.

I guess I should have clarified that the trebles I'm after are for chovies.

Wolf, were you talking herring or chovies when you suggested size 1/0 or 2/0 <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> I just assumed chovies. I guess you could also fish herring with a bigger treble hook and teaser head.

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
Years ago I used to fish live herring with small trebles and Mustad was the only way to go. VMC trebles often bent and weren't worth rigging up. As much as I like Mustad's for strength seems like VMC have the market for use with anchovies. I still like touching up all my hooks, trebles or singles, with a hook file even though the sharpened edges rust quicker.
 
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