Hooks

[fishinmaniac]

I have to agree with Wolf. I started using the VMC 9650 in 1/0 and 2/0 about 6 years ago and they are stronger and more durable than any hook I have ever used. I have yet to straighten one of these hooks. Worth every penny. With small anchovies, I use #1 or #2.

 

[Captain Dudds]

I've used singles for a while now, but I must say, all this talk about these 9650's has sparked my interest. As Tsquared was asking, are they sold anywhere locally, or do you have to order them? locally as in Victoria.

Kelly, I tried gammy trebs too once last year. I found them very weak. I bent two consecutive 1/0's when I tried them. both on the hook set, and I babied the second one cause I was nervous about it bending out.
The gammy singles are good in some ways and not in others. They are strong and they come sharp, and depending on how many fish your hooking, they'll last a day or two. but as soon as you sharpen them and take the finish off, they rust very quickly.

Thanks Captain Dudds

 

[wolf]

Trotac has them and the outfitters your call as to where to go but evryone knows where I shop I was fortunate enough last fall someone on here was selling 500 hundred of them so im set for the year and like I said earlier get min 3 to 4 days out of them when im guiding and they dont rust.

Dudds you got mail!!!!!

Wolf



Edited by - wolf on 03/05/2006 14:20:43

 

[Roe Bags]

I got excited when I saw this topic! Not exactly the Hooks I was thinking about! www.bcdarlings.com

Pass the Pack

 

[Tailspin]

Ah....... nothing like a dose of humour from Bags himself.

Dooey & Beads Strikes the hardest of hooksets.

 

[happycamper]

Bags... We're not worthy

Anyone try the excalibur laser cut hooks. I ordered some online and they are wicked sharp. Kind of like the gammies and look a little thin and easy to straighten but it hasn't to me yet. they also have a little twist in them that helps you get two hooks in the fish.

 

[nedarb2]

Great, thanks for your help! So when you use the singles, you put one ine the bait to curl it, and a trailer which hooks the fish?

To fish or not to fish,
What a stupid question!
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish, and he will sit on a boat drinking beer for a life time
TGIF =Thank God It Floats

 

[JuandeOne]

"Great, thanks for your help! So when you use the singles, you put one ine the bait to curl it, and a trailer which hooks the fish?"

Speaking primarily about larger chinnok fishing, this is the part I don't understand...using singles in tandem as apposed to two trebs or a treb and single trailer. With two trebs, there are six potential hooks to find a hold in a hard/slippery mouth. Two singles and there are only two, one being buried in the bait to produce the desired bend. Especially with barbless applications, I strongly believe the more hooks grabbing hold the better.

As for hooks, the VMC's are my choice. I tried the Gammies a few years ago and even fish under 20 lbs were bending/straightening them.

 

[Charter Tofino]

I still dont have confidence in triples i dont find they hold well unless you get two hooks or all three inside the mouth.

 

[Tailspin]

I did'nt loose one decent spring last year with the vmc or eagle claw trebles. Most fished in tandom,#1 and #2 I did loose one real good one to being run over by **** ****'s though, and Mr. seal of course! <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

 

[TheRock]

I think you have better odds hooking a fish with a treble over a single.. as previously stated... "3 hooks are better then one" greater % for a hook set.. if you don't have a hook set and you missed your strike....you won't need to worry about your confidence in a single holding... cause you will be re baiting your chovie head! While the treble hook will be taking its chance fighting out a fish.... that's how I see it...

 

[reel easy]

I find treble hooks do a lot of damage to smaller shakers, much harder to release without handling the fish, don't miss maney with a good single hook, that will rust out if you get broke off.

 

[nedarb2]

So when you use singles your only using one hook? Or you are running a trailer with it?

To fish or not to fish,
What a stupid question!
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish, and he will sit on a boat drinking beer for a life time
TGIF =Thank God It Floats

 

[Captain Dudds]

you're running a trailer with it. the trailer hooks 90% of the fish. i usually have my trailer start maybe a quarter inch after the chovie tail ends.

Its something you have to play around with. Yes, twin trebs are going to hook more fish, but if your releasing alot of semi-conscious fish, it might be a good idea to switch to one treb or two singles; at least until whatever fish you've been releasing have left the area.

Also, I think you guys would be surprised how many fish you do hook with singles. If I miss a hit, I'm not thinking "o well, that was bound to happen eventually"; I'm pissed off and I ususally find my hooks aren't as sharp as I would like or something.

Thanks Captain Dudds

 

[Tailspin]

Singles are great but in the required barbless state they tend to wear/bore larger holes as you play out a fish, therfore causing the more inexpierenced and guests a much higher chance of a long line release scenario if given any slack. Even if you get 2 out of three points from a treble dug in they just dont wear holes and work loose quite as easy. For release purposes and offshore Uci fishery numbers, I agree all the way to using one big 6/0 single in hootchies, and spoons.A buddy of mine convinced me of the big singles for hootchies and i won't ever go back.

 

[Captain Dudds]

I agree with you in the making a hole department. The longer a fight goes on, the more I worry.

What about bait action? What hook set-up do you guys find gives you the best role?

Thanks Captain Dudds

 

[Tailspin]

Single #2 treble is the easiest to get the perfect roll.IMO.
I think the nicest west coast classic roll is a cut plugged tandom single setup.

 

[TheRock]

Any one intrested in the VMC treble hooks... here is a great deal from this seller.. ..
500 or 1000 VMC Hooks Model #8650ps Size # 1/0

1000 hooks
http://cgi.ebay.ca/1000-VMC-Hooks-M...222796453QQcategoryZ31705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

100 VMC TREBLE HOOKS SALT #8650 # 1/0 SALTWATER *NEW*

http://cgi.ebay.ca/100-VMC-TREBLE-H...ryZ31705QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

500 VMC Hooks Model #9650ps Size # 1/0

http://cgi.ebay.ca/500-VMC-Hooks-Mo...222803658QQcategoryZ31705QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Get a bunch of guys together and place an order and split them up! This is what I did.. I ordered a 1000 hooks from this seller and they arrived well packaged in a large box packed with foam. All 1000 hooks are loose in the box. They all clump together as would in a small package you buy in the store so non of the hooks bump or grind into each other and they were well packaged in foam so their was no movement during shipping.. every hook was perfect! what a great deal!

This seller has other modles and sizes of these VMC hooks for sale treble and singles!.. .. just do a search under his list of hooks for sale.. if he does'nt have the style or size then send him a question and he can order them from VMC! He all so carries Mustang and Gamakatsu hooks!

 

[Red Monster]

That's funny Rock: I already found those hooks on e-bay and emailed to see what kind of point the hooks have. Thanks for the knowledge of your experience. This sounds like a great lead.

He's got all the right sizes (1, 1/0, 2/0) covered for #9650 and in lots of 500 and 1000. I'll post what type of point they are. How much does it matter if they are not the cone point?

I've made a few other inquires without much luck yet.

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."

 

[TheRock]

I did a little researching.. He orders directly from the VMC factory.. The VMC distributing company in the u.S is in St Paul (MN)
http://www.vmcpeche.com/about_present.htm
and this seller is in Minnesota so it all makes sence..

The style number of your hook you order is what you will get..

I have'nt tried the 9650.. don't know if they are cone cut or not.. I assume they are... since I ordered my hooks last fall it seems like VMC has changed the style number of a few hooks... I have to update my self on this...

Go to the VMC web site and study their catalogue... click on the 8650 in the catalogue and it state they are cone cut..
http://www.vmcpeche.com/CATALOGUE/catalogue_allreferences.htm#

Last fall I ordered 1000 of the VMC 7650PS Xstrong which are a cone cut hook and they were all very sharp. I don't see that modle of hook any more at the vmc web site... either way... they are a very
Very strong hook! i did some tests... i had several brands of trebles and sizes and I set up a system where I took turns hanging about 20lbs of led off of each hook shank for a set length of time... some trebles just snapped right away!! some held! some bent strait but did'nt snap and stayed baddly bent.... some bent out but when the weight came off they all most went back to their same shape!!! the quality of the steel in the hooks does matter!!! The more expensive hooks did better in my tests! quality does count! One of my tests was with the VMC 9000PS hook it has Vanadium metal.. and performed the best on my led weight tests.. the quality of the metal plays a big part. The 9000PS were alot more money.... so I went with the 7650PS wich are still an extremely strong hook and sharp hook... if you bend one of these hooks or any strong hook for that matter on a fish.. its not the hooks fault! for gods love let the fish run!!! to much preasure on the rod is all ways the case.. let the fish run.. and stay on top of the fish with your boat..