lordofthesprings
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whats everyones favorite way to rig an anchovy teaser /two treble /one treble -two single one of each?
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hooks for anchovy setup
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Highliner
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two single gammy....
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lordofthesprings
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thanks ,heading to bamfield this weekend /tying up some gear getting very excited!
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Charlie
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Just to clarify and add some thoughts.
Salmon “take” their prey headfirst, but Chinook “attack” from the "rear" and Coho “attack” from the "side"! First they will try to stun or injure their prey, then swallow it headfirst.
Unless, you are very good at tying knots, you should assume as soon as you put a knot in “any” line – you just decreased it’s breaking strength by 50%?
Any trailing hook (stinger) should be just behind the tail of the bait. If it is too far back, it will increase the chances of foul hooking during the initial strike. You can tell, as the hook will be embedded on the outside of the fish… usually in the meat of the body?
A single hook of the same size is by far the stronger of the two, has better penetration, and holding power over a treble. A treble is also more likely to bend and/or break. However, the use of a treble is much easier to get the correct action using “whole” anchovies or herring?
On WCVI, I always start with a single treble embedded in the lateral line, just behind the dorsal fin. Never starting with a stinger. While checking and “if” the tail portion of the bait has been bitten off… that is probably not a salmon, rather something more like a cod – "maybe" want to speed up a tad! If the tail of the bait looks like it has been stripped that would be more like the initial attack of a salmon, what we refer to as “short biting”. If I see that, the first thing I do is move the hook back towards the adipose fin. If that doesn’t fix it… I will then add a 5/0 octopus stinger!
I also don't like the use of a stinger if I am into larger fish and do very much agree with this:
Just, IMHO!
Salmon “take” their prey headfirst, but Chinook “attack” from the "rear" and Coho “attack” from the "side"! First they will try to stun or injure their prey, then swallow it headfirst.
Unless, you are very good at tying knots, you should assume as soon as you put a knot in “any” line – you just decreased it’s breaking strength by 50%?
Any trailing hook (stinger) should be just behind the tail of the bait. If it is too far back, it will increase the chances of foul hooking during the initial strike. You can tell, as the hook will be embedded on the outside of the fish… usually in the meat of the body?
A single hook of the same size is by far the stronger of the two, has better penetration, and holding power over a treble. A treble is also more likely to bend and/or break. However, the use of a treble is much easier to get the correct action using “whole” anchovies or herring?
On WCVI, I always start with a single treble embedded in the lateral line, just behind the dorsal fin. Never starting with a stinger. While checking and “if” the tail portion of the bait has been bitten off… that is probably not a salmon, rather something more like a cod – "maybe" want to speed up a tad! If the tail of the bait looks like it has been stripped that would be more like the initial attack of a salmon, what we refer to as “short biting”. If I see that, the first thing I do is move the hook back towards the adipose fin. If that doesn’t fix it… I will then add a 5/0 octopus stinger!
I also don't like the use of a stinger if I am into larger fish and do very much agree with this:
Just, IMHO!
cohochinook
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I like the treble with single octupus set up.
You may want to try some baitrix with your choive set up. This has produced well for me on the outside for bigger Springs. Does not work near as well for me on the inside where I tend to fish the real McCoy a plain old choive.
You may want to try some baitrix with your choive set up. This has produced well for me on the outside for bigger Springs. Does not work near as well for me on the inside where I tend to fish the real McCoy a plain old choive.
lordofthesprings
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actually i fish baitrix glow regularly and outfish my buddy on the other side with bait very often - i like the non-tunable myself
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Sitkaspruce
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I went to the treble/single "stinger" last year and killed to many (2) small springs so switched back.
The original hook (front treble) is in the mouth, but the single is now in the gill plate/gills area and causing quite a mess. Pi$$ed me off to see that
You guys who fish the "stinger", how do you avoid harming the smaller fish??? And I do not mean the obvious, but when there is a mixed bag of coho, feeders and smilies around.
Cheers
SS
The original hook (front treble) is in the mouth, but the single is now in the gill plate/gills area and causing quite a mess. Pi$$ed me off to see that
You guys who fish the "stinger", how do you avoid harming the smaller fish??? And I do not mean the obvious, but when there is a mixed bag of coho, feeders and smilies around.
Cheers
SS
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rainbow one
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two single gammys is the only way to go IMHO. I lost two many large chinooks when the stinger leader gets jammed in between the trebles and then eventually breaks off after a longer battle. With the two singles this never happens. I find that I get just as many or more hook up now.
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Fish Assassin
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Two 4/0 or 5/0 Gammies, and the same setup for cut plug.
Two 4/0 or 5/0 Gammies, and the same setup for cut plug.
Karma-Kazi
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I honestly run a single treble and have great luck with it. The less hook the better . I used to run trailers and found maybe 1 in 10 fish only had the trailer in its mouth when it came to the net!
Just my opinion. Seem like all of you run trailer hooks. What do you find?
-Steve
Just my opinion. Seem like all of you run trailer hooks. What do you find?
-Steve
I also like to use a single trebble. The only time I use tandem is if I am having problems hooking up, honestly rare. I also like the single trebble because when the bite is on I want my gear back in asap. Or because it is so slow every second counts all for your 1 shot,LOL. I find with tandem trebbles I occasionallly have to tweak my bait more for the roll I want. I like the Rhys Davis hooks. Love Gammies but I had Gammies straighten on me enough times?? Are you a religious hook sharpener? ALWAYS help your cause and keep those hooks sticky sharp!!
Nice job Sitka! Good post, something to think about.....quote:Originally posted by Sitkaspruce
I went to the treble/single "stinger" last year and killed to many (2) small springs so switched back.
The original hook (front treble) is in the mouth, but the single is now in the gill plate/gills area and causing quite a mess. Pi$$ed me off to see that
You guys who fish the "stinger", how do you avoid harming the smaller fish??? And I do not mean the obvious, but when there is a mixed bag of coho, feeders and smilies around.
Cheers
SS
Shakers, Jacks, ect; somedays when thats whats out there think about this.
wolf
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1/0 treble cone cut VMC seems to work for me big hook big fish LOL LOL they are strong and they last sure they are almost a buck a hook but I get about 20 fish on it and they dont rust up so in the long run cheaper.
Tried Gammy and like luna said didnt hold up worth shi@t.
You have to remeber Im taking people out that are sometimes a bit "heavy" on the reel as there not used to single action reels and they tend to "hang on" to the handles thinking somehow there not going to move (YAAAAA RIGHT)!!!!!
In all the years of guiding had only a couple straighten out on me and only once where the guy straighted out 2 of the 3 so I proceeded to cut the tips off and stuck it in his hat and congradulated him on a "fine job done" as that was the first time ever that has happened to me and my gear.
Called it the "MEDAL OF STRENGTH" LOL LOL
Good luck wolf
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Tried Gammy and like luna said didnt hold up worth shi@t.
You have to remeber Im taking people out that are sometimes a bit "heavy" on the reel as there not used to single action reels and they tend to "hang on" to the handles thinking somehow there not going to move (YAAAAA RIGHT)!!!!!
In all the years of guiding had only a couple straighten out on me and only once where the guy straighted out 2 of the 3 so I proceeded to cut the tips off and stuck it in his hat and congradulated him on a "fine job done" as that was the first time ever that has happened to me and my gear.
Called it the "MEDAL OF STRENGTH" LOL LOL
Good luck wolf
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spring time
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i've switched to owner from gammies on trebles and a gammie stinger
For some reason I have a retarded small gear mentality, too much river fishing. Thinking of going to the 1/0 grapling hook; finally went to 40lb leader last year on chove leaders. I dont't think they are for the most part but are chinooks gear shy? Maybe as they get closer to staging but who knows...??
wolf
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I doubt they are as when you hear of people cutpluging/troling etc back 15 ft from from the boat I would imagine a boat making noise and people etc and a huge thing going over a fishes head(the boat)
I think they really dont care if they are hungry they are going to smash it how many times have you hity a fish just putting the clip on the line and they hit it on the surface???? and thats REALLY close, yes salmon are smart but not that smart.
Wolf
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I think they really dont care if they are hungry they are going to smash it how many times have you hity a fish just putting the clip on the line and they hit it on the surface???? and thats REALLY close, yes salmon are smart but not that smart.
Wolf
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