Help Me Mod my Boat!

Well, I went up to take a look at the boat yesterday...took a lot of measurements so I can figure out what I’m going to do, might do, or won’t do over the winter.

But I got really lucky and was able to scratch the most important mod off the list
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Get the Lewmar anchor off the boat and replace it with this:

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Wow, a Rocna 15 off Craigslist for $ 200......it’s been in someone’s backyard for a few years...check out the shackle the guy used—-completely rusted, more appropriate for a 10 lb anchor

This one is a beast, a bit of overkill for the Commander 28, but the next size Rocna under that is under-kill so it was a good find
 
Funny you should mention that. I tossed and turned in bed last night thinking about the towing issue. I tried picturing what it would be like towing that thing through downtown Victoria in July.....and through the mountain pass on the way to Port Hardy

When I asked if the trailer was part of the deal I was informed that most people who have Commanders don’t trailer them.

I have a 7.3L F250—I’m sure it’ll pull that boat. I guess the question is, will it stop that boat once you get it up to speed.
If powerstop makes a brake kit for that truck it will be a game changer. Approx $1000 for rotors and pads is well worth the upgrade!
 
Well, I went up to take a look at the boat yesterday...took a lot of measurements so I can figure out what I’m going to do, might do, or won’t do over the winter.

But I got really lucky and was able to scratch the most important mod off the list
:

Get the Lewmar anchor off the boat and replace it with this:

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Wow, a Rocna 15 off Craigslist for $ 200......it’s been in someone’s backyard for a few years...check out the shackle the guy used—-completely rusted, more appropriate for a 10 lb anchor

This one is a beast, a bit of overkill for the Commander 28, but the next size Rocna under that is under-kill so it was a good find
You’ll love that. I have the same Rocna 15 anchor on my Commander 30 with 200’ of chain. Sets within a few feet and stops the boat cold.
I only use a shackle to the anchor. No swivel.
Take care retrieving it. I motor up on top of it and get chain almost tight then let weight of boat pull it out.
Another trick is to mark your chain when anchor is just below water. Then you can idle forward and wash off before pulling fully up.
 
Well, I went up to take a look at the boat yesterday...took a lot of measurements so I can figure out what I’m going to do, might do, or won’t do over the winter.

But I got really lucky and was able to scratch the most important mod off the list
:

Get the Lewmar anchor off the boat and replace it with this:

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Wow, a Rocna 15 off Craigslist for $ 200......it’s been in someone’s backyard for a few years...check out the shackle the guy used—-completely rusted, more appropriate for a 10 lb anchor

This one is a beast, a bit of overkill for the Commander 28, but the next size Rocna under that is under-kill so it was a good find
Want to trade a 10kg for it?
 
Yo, Rain City—-I’m going to be a scum-bag and take the 10 Kg Rocna off my Kodiak before I sell it and that’ll be the spare for the Commander.
I have a 6 year love affair going on with that 10 kg Rocna—-it was on my Arima for 2 years, on my Skagit Orca for 2 years, and my Kodiak for 2 years....it is hands down the best $$ I have ever invested in ANY piece of boating equipment. My daughter asked me this summer....why is that boat dragging anchor? (It was blowing gale at the time)

My response...they have a Bruce or a DElta. We have the Rocna.
 
Yo, Rain City—-I’m going to be a scum-bag and take the 10 Kg Rocna off my Kodiak before I sell it and that’ll be the spare for the Commander.
I have a 6 year love affair going on with that 10 kg Rocna—-it was on my Arima for 2 years, on my Skagit Orca for 2 years, and my Kodiak for 2 years....it is hands down the best $$ I have ever invested in ANY piece of boating equipment. My daughter asked me this summer....why is that boat dragging anchor? (It was blowing gale at the time)

My response...they have a Bruce or a DElta. We have the Rocna.
Please bronze it when you do decide to retire it. I love my Rocna as well. They're like me arguing with my wife. They just keep digging.
 
If powerstop makes a brake kit for that truck it will be a game changer. Approx $1000 for rotors and pads is well worth the upgrade!
I was told by the guy who tows those 28’s on a daily basis with his F350 from the manufacturer to the distributors that the 7.3L gasser tows it fine
My understanding is there’s not a big diff between the F250 7.3L and the F350 7.3L other then increased payload on the 1 ton and maybe stiffer leaf springs.....I’ll be towing it shortly on the Interstate....that’ll give me a pretty good idea how it feels.

I remember going to pick up the Kodiak (10,000 lbs) with my old Titan XD and when I got her home I remember thinking...Dude, wrong tool for the job...which explains why I’m now driving that F250—really glad I opted for the 7.3L—-after dragging the Kodiak to Port Hardy this summer I undertstand why they call that 7.3L ... “Godzilla”....it never skipped a beat on steep hills and I never got the feeling that 10 speed was overworking and going in and out of gears when it shouldn’t have been

I’ll look into that brake kit, though——that’s a good idea though I’m interested to see how the Karavan trailer performs with the EOH once the 28 is loaded and fitted
 
I was told by the guy who tows those 28’s on a daily basis with his F350 from the manufacturer to the distributors that the 7.3L gasser tows it fine
My understanding is there’s not a big diff between the F250 7.3L and the F350 7.3L other then increased payload on the 1 ton and maybe stiffer leaf springs.....I’ll be towing it shortly on the Interstate....that’ll give me a pretty good idea how it feels.

I remember going to pick up the Kodiak (10,000 lbs) with my old Titan XD and when I got her home I remember thinking...Dude, wrong tool for the job...which explains why I’m now driving that F250—really glad I opted for the 7.3L—-after dragging the Kodiak to Port Hardy this summer I undertstand why they call that 7.3L ... “Godzilla”....it never skipped a beat on steep hills and I never got the feeling that 10 speed was overworking and going in and out of gears when it shouldn’t have been

I’ll look into that brake kit, though——that’s a good idea though I’m interested to see how the Karavan trailer performs with the EOH once the 28 is loaded and fitted
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14000# from Edmonton to CR on a Karavan. Had to set the bunks and axles to get the right balance but towed and the E/H disc brakes worked great.
 
Not wanting to hijack the thread with the boat. Thought the discussion was about the trailer. That Sea Sport is a nice unit for running up north and less hassle with permits. I think you will be happy with the Karavan.
The Pursuit won’t travel much on the trailer anymore as it’s use is mainly for dry storage.
 
Sharphooks,
I searched for this thread after reading about your old Kodiak 2600.
I’m very curious how the Commander 2800 has worked out for you?
 
Hey Marko…funny you should ask…just an hour ago I was talking to the guy who bought my Kodiak 26—he has it on the market again because he just stepped up for an Ocean Roamer (!!!) He asked me if I wanted to buy it back……uh….dude…..thanks anyway but I already have a boat….

The Commander was a huge step up for me….I do all my boating alone so I stressed over the launch/retrieve and trailering stuff on what in effect is a very heavy 30 footer but I figured all that out (says the guy who just launched last week with the tie-down straps still attached to the trailer)

The extra beam—-It’s amazing what happens when you tack a bit of beam onto a boat (the guy who just bought the Ocean Roamer has over 10’ 9” of beam to play with!) The beam difference between the Kodiak and the Commander is instantly noticeable. For me the biggest part of the extra beam—-I can now COMFORTABLY walk around the edge of the wheelhouse to do my anchoring duties. The Kodiak had 4” of glass to plant your feet on with the stainless railing situated so if you did fall, you’d probably break both legs on the way down into the water (really)

The COmmander has almost double that . I’m a dog owner so I’m dropping and retrieving the anchor at least 3 times a day….it would be a Nightmare on Elm Street to fall off your boat while anchoring all by your lonesome so it’s nice to be able to relax when I’m adding a bit of exposure to my sea trials several times a day

Next…the head. The head on the Commander is down a flight of stairs. The head on the Kodiak was on the port side, just opposite the galley, same level as the deck. It was a huge PITA to be in a fleet of boats or in a marina in tight quarters trying to see through the aft window to your port side because the glass in the head on the Kodiak would reflect and distort.

It’s a breath of fresh air to now have the head below decks…no more window distortion….and speaking of fresh air… it’s Nice to have a fresh water flushed head—- minimal odor compared to the salt-water flush of the Kodiak head….it’s those little things that add up

Everything else is pretty much the same—-I never would have stepped up for the Commander if it didn’t have Optimus 360 in BOTH the wheelhouse and out on the aft deck…reason….the larger SEasports have a fairly large wheelhouse profile so they tend to get shoved around by the wind. When you’re trying to nuzzle into a fuel dock alone in-between other boats, that Optimus 360 is really nice to have. I also had it on the Kodiak so once you get a taste, you just gotta have one. I got lucky buying pre-owned on both boats to get that option——those things are in nose-bleed territory if you wanted to retrofit after the fact

The smart move I made (despite protests from some of the guys on this same site) was to belly up to the bar for a slab of a kicker (Yamaha T25) I wouldn’t admit in polite company what I had to pay for it but for me, it was money well spent. Even in a stiff wind all I have to do is nudge the throttle and instant response. And I run it off a separate tank—-if I ever have issues with bad gas in the main tanks, I have an insurance policy in that T25

So, in short, it’s a good solid boat with nice clean workmanship and is comfortable in big water. The guy who built it is instantly responsive to any questions I have and bends over backwards to help every time I make whiney noises about this and that.

My latest scheme….I’m thinking of yanking out all the Garmin electronics and replacing with Furuno, including the Fantom 18 radar. I measured the console cut-out this afternoon and I can fit the Furuno TZT16F inch screen into the hole without a lot of heart surgery. Last but not least, as of this past February, Furuno lopped $600 off the purchase price of the TzT3-16 making that Furuno MFD significantly cheaper then the 8616XSV I have in there now.


It’s a stone-cold mystery to me why anyone would even consider Garmin if they were planning out a new electronics suite for their boat …Furuno really is that much better, both the chartplotter for navigation (setting up routes and manipulating them etc etc) and the radar….the Furuno DRS4D-NXT is night and day as far as doppler radar is concerned….much crisper target resolution and target separation which leads to better situational awareness in the fog when you’re around alot of other boats

Last but not least, the Commander has nice lines!


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Sharphooks,
Thank you for the very thorough reply.
My wife and I are looking for a rig for touring our coast and, of course, this has to include consideration of a Seasport! The buy-in and fuel economy of the 26 are attractive, but all the points you make are the points I see as its shortcomings. It looks like the 2800 is the bare minimum to be comfortable for two couples for a long weekend…though must be close friends. A Roamer would be next-level for this with its aft quarter accommodations.
Cheers,
Marko
PS- Agreed re Furuno. We have the GPF1971 on our Whaler and love it.
 
Hey Marko

Two couples? Yeah, they’d have to be real close friends. The sleeping capacity the manufactures throw around about their boats are ridiculous. There is a below-decks spot on the Commander (under the helm station) but you guys would be drawing straws every night to see which couple had the infamy of having to sleeping in that berth (I use that term loosely). The forepeak is very comfortable, but for one couple, not two. Yes the table creates a bed but then you’re stuck continuously moving stuff around.

The guy I mentioned who just bought the O.R. Sent me a picture today

You can see in the attached what a couple looks like in the stern relative to the rest of the boat….you can imagine how much elbow room there would be up in the forepeak

It’s too bad they’re so spendy but it is possible to find used ones as you know. Also, a used LIndell would get my attention—-they have the same lines as the O.R. And the same big-water characteristics There’s one for sale in Anacortes….if I had to do it all over again, that Lindell would have been a contender for me but probably not associated with a trailer and it would be a bit painful feeding tripp DF350’s for the type of trips I take

And I also noticed on the Lindell….NO Optimus 360 at the aft steering station…. Deal breaker

Good luck in what ever move you end up making



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