HALIBUT REGULATION UPDATE

[El Pescador]

quote:Originally posted by wolf

Some of you are missing the point THIS is not a conservation issue. Ok ill put it to you another way we all like to salmon fish all summer and winter long right???? now how about a 5 limit yearly quota on salmon along with halibut?????bet you wouldnt like that you would be done in 3 days then what do you do with all the gear boat etc???

If you only want to take 2,5 or 10 thats is your right if you choose to take less to "conserve" good on you but remember once we loose our rights WE NEVER !!!!!!!will get it back

Another scenerio so hopefully you guys will understand totally off of fishing say you want to invest money say 5 grand what would you rather put it in a 12% stock or a 88% stock of return.

Are you getting it yet???

Good luck Wolf

Wolf, I think you have made your point clear several times. I believe you raise good points, but your message sounds to me like you are conceding defeat and suggest taking as much as possible from the resource before it disappears (my apologies in advance if I have misread it).

I think that the commercial halibut fishermen are getting things their way because they have been better at lobbying the fisheries minister than the sports fishing industry. One thing I know for sure is that Ottawa tends to yield to pressure, and the one who lobbies the best is usually the winner. If you consider that the sports fishing industry is comprised (in one way or another) by:

Anglers
Boat manufacturers and dealers
Engine manufacturers and dealers
Tackle manufacturers and tackle shops
Fishing guides
Fishing lodges
Hotels + B&Bs + supermarkets + liquor stores in fishing towns
Marinas
Marine repair shops
Float plane companies

(feel free to keep adding to the list)

don’t you think that all the above together could form a larger and more powerful lobbying group than the halibut commercial fishermen?

Perhaps it would be more productive to work towards lobbying the fisheries minister for a fair share and common-sense management of the resource rather than just trying to catch as many fish as we are possibly allowed while the resource lasts.

 

[wolf]

From what I was told from the meeting this was not on the recommendations for Victoria area, yes I feel defeated because we will never get back what they did it is now in stone does DFO ever go back look at there past,you got some beauracrat back there who has been giving some BS from someone in big business (political backing) ie money.

I have lost any faith I did have in them, you watch I would hate to be a DFO officer right now as he is going to get tounge lashed by almost everyone out there in the fishing industry, I accually feel sorry for them because they have to inforce the rules even though they know it is crap as well. a very tough job for them.

Like I said before take the money we give to salmon enhancement and change it to a fund to get a lawyer to fight them I think the money is better served to there.

Remember when liscences went up 100% many years ago and they promised us they would never shut down hatcheries or funding to them thats why for the increase, guess what they lied again to us!!!!

I would pay way more for a liscence if I knew money went to enforcement,hatcheries,habitat resoration etc but we need someone legal to do it.

On the note of habitatat lose I was out on the Quad the other day at boyds pit in sooke got on a trail the went right near kirby creek and what I saw was gross they logged right down to the creek on a very steep side hill for about 3 kms, yes liberal government and giving the logging companies the right to self govern just F$%#$n great. when old mo sihota was in there at least he protected the forestes better.

YES still mad Wolf

 

[mr killer]

quote:Originally posted by wolf

Like I said before take the money we give to salmon enhancement and change it to a fund to get a lawyer to fight them I think the money is better served to there.

Remember when liscences went up 100% many years ago and they promised us they would never shut down hatcheries or funding to them thats why for the increase, guess what they lied again to us!!!!

I would pay way more for a liscence if I knew money went to enforcement,hatcheries,habitat resoration etc but we need someone legal to do it.

Good points Wolf

 

[Bogman]

I think that the commercial halibut fishermen are getting things their way because they have been better at lobbying the fisheries minister than the sports fishing industry.


The above comment hit the nail right on the head. I sat as a board member for the commercial fleet on the Halibut Advisory Board back in the day when the 12% was given to the sports fleet . These are the days when ,while the sports had a seat on the same board they rarely showed up. We all assumed it was because all we did was hound them for catch numbers that we could never get a straight answer for. Its no use crying over spilled milk. The sports have a more active lobby now and hopefully you have enough confidance in them to get what we need. I say we because while I was a commercial fisherman who sold off one of the larger hallibut quotas in BC, I now run a sports lodge in BC. If we started working with the commercial fleet and IPHC instead of complaining about them we would get alot farther alot faster.

 

[OldBlackDog]

The part that is interesting is the complete lack of knowledge of this by guides.
As shown by this and other threads on this subject, there appears to be a complete disconnect on subjects that effect their business.

How can you run a business and not be involved and up to speed on what is happening to your livelihood?

 

[Tailspin]

wolf Posted - 02/23/2008 : 09:23:58

quote:On the note of habitatat lose I was out on the Quad the other day at boyds pit in sooke got on a trail the went right near kirby creek and what I saw was gross they logged right down to the creek on a very steep side hill for about 3 kms, yes liberal government and giving the logging companies the right to self govern just F$%#$n great. when old mo sihota was in there at least he protected the forestes better.

YES still mad Wolf

Shawnigan Creek south has been decimated by logging, no Buffer just cleared right to the banks by greed. Fish bearing stream no more[V]

There will be more than a few dead hali going over the side in trade of a larger one during the derbies[xx(]

 

[Mr. Dean]

quote:Originally posted by OldBlackDog

The part that is interesting is the complete lack of knowledge of this by guides.
As shown by this and other threads on this subject, there appears to be a complete disconnect on subjects that effect their business.

How can you run a business and not be involved and up to speed on what is happening to your livelihood?

I think that most (Guides and Anglers) are just happy about being able to continue fishing.

This was an EXCELLENT marketing ploy by DFO. Make it appear that the world is crashing then 'settle up' on letting us go with a 33.3% restrictive measure, on a resource that was already</u> overly restricted. It'll leave most with little more than a sigh of relief and good feelings. After all, that's what the general populace cares about...

But your correct. Some of the posts from self professed guides, is alarming. Of the members on this board, they should be the one's in the know and of the understanding of what's a happening.

Then again, if it dosen't have an immediate effect on their bottom line, why should they care care about the effects on others?

Its time to start thinking less of ourselves (ALL sectors of rec-fishers) and start focusing on the fishery as a whole. There is way to many people frowning on what their fellow angler believes in ie; meat gatherer, the true sport-fisherman, guide, tourist, client... NONE of this matters!

The only way to see clear though is to be better informed by taking the time to do a little researching.

- "To make a decision based on emotions will undoubtably lead too a poor outcome, a high percentage of the time"
- "In business, mistakes made are the</u> highest costs of doing business. These costs can never be recouped".


DFO will never take on the micro management task of the "sub catagories" of our user group. This decision will effect some more than others, but it will creep and effect all.