Halibut Poll # 2

the fog ducker

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Option 2,,

if we went with a annual limit, how many would you accept annually??

until the TAC is figured out , temp,,,

again theses are all preliminary questions , leading to a final poll with several options..

this would eliminate gifting from guides that a few here are concerned with ,
i am not saying this is a prob , others have

fd
 
Halibut Poll # 2

Option 2,,

if we went with a annual limit, how many would you accept annually??

until the TAC is figured out , temp,,,

again theses are all preliminary questions , leading to a final poll with several options..

this would eliminate gifting from guides that a few here are concerned with ,
i am not saying this is a prob , others have

fd
 
Why do we need all these polls? All we really need is more of the TAC for 2/3 limit and a season from Feb 1st to Dec 31. Why should there be any concessions? Why don't you channel your energy into a way of finding the real solution?
 
wow...

great now 2 of ya , were talkin about this coming season guys ,, your hilarious ,.

the poll shows that the slot was a joke, am i missin somthing here , just lookin for somthing that makes more sense for this season lol....



not sure why i have to explain myself , its just a poll..

fd

Dont explain yourself. theres no need.

Keep the polls coming. Everyone aready knows we need more TAC, thats not what this is about. THanks though captain obvious'!

Lorne
 
Do you have any data that show's that the slot is a joke?

Hey Sculpin, the real joke is that there is no real data to show anything. None, nada, zip!

The numbers (or "data") that are used to determine our daily possesion limits and season lengths are base purely on guestimates, flyovers, trailer counts and of course the creel surveys. The whole goddamned system is a fricken joke!!! Our hands are tied until we can get some real numbers happening here. (We need Halibut tags and mandatory recording and reporting of all sport fishing Halibut catch). If we can get real numbers going then some solid decisions can be made around this fishery, everything else that we are doing is just smoke and mirrors, (early season start, late start, slot limit, juggling possesion limits, annual "bag limits", early season closure, late closure, area closures, etc,,,,,) it is all just smoke and mirrors. We don't have a leg to stand on in this argument (with DFO), because we don't have real data to back us up to say that we need more of the TAC, because DFO is making the decisions that we are using up our % of the TAC in the time frames that they determine (this year Sept, next year????), all based upon guestimates. Hell no one really knows for sure if we even used all of our % of the TAC, or if we went over. No question about it we need real data and not tomorrow, we needed it last year! This is a double edged sword here however, we all like the idea of getting more TAC, longer seasons, higher possesion limits, no slot, BUT,,,,, what if there is 100,000 Halibut anglers out there every year, say 50% of them actually catch a couple of fish (yes only two fish for the year), that is 100,000 fish. What is the average size of the fish caught??? 15lbs??? 20lbs???, at 15lbs per fish,,,,, that is 1,500,000lbs of halibut (yes, 1.5 million pounds), anyone know what our (sport sector) percentage of the TAC was in pounds last year?

We need data to know:
1. How many halibut anglers there are from year to year.
2. How many fish were caught, and subsequently how many pounds were caught.
3. How long our seasons will be based off of the given TAC for the next year.
4. How many fish we each will be allow to catch each season.
5. How much more % of the TAC that the sport sector needs or doesn't need.

I hate to say it, but for this season we are not likely to get anything more that what we had last year, hopefully however we can get a tag implemented this year so that next year DFO can budget the following season with some "real' numbers.

FH
 
Licensed fishing guides for charters, no resort U-drives allowed, catch and release killers fined and suspeneded for the season.

2 Chinook, 4 Salmon and half the annual 1 Halibut with a reasonable annual no rockfish at all. Commercial buy outs. Monitor first nation fishing realistically. All the nay sayers can look forward to telling their grand kids what fishing use to be on the west coast.
 
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Just did some digging, and I can't find the end number that the Sport sector was actually allocated in pounds (either it is well hidden or I am just not looking in the right places), at any rate The IPHC determined that the Area 2B (BC) would be allowed to harvest 7,038,000 pounds of halibut in 2012 TOTAL! For First Nations, Commercials, and Sportys.

Since I don't know what the First Nations were allocated by DFO, I can't lay out their numbers.

7,038,000 x 85% = 5,982,300 Pounds for the Commercial sector. (The number given on the IPHC website for the Commercials is: "Area 2B Commercial Catch Limit: 5,953,350 pounds")

7,038,000 x 15% = 1,055,700 Pounds for the Sport sector.

SO,,,,,, if there were 100,000 fish caught this last year (at an average of 15 pounds each), well then we went over considerably, and that is not good at all, and if the average size of the fish caught was bigger say 20 or 25lbs, well that only makes it worse. Now to look at the flip side of the same coin, what if there was only 50,000 fish caught (at an average of 15 pounds), well then we would have only harvested 750,000 pounds, and thus we would have been ripped off on our season length. (This is good for the fish, but not good for those that missed out on an opportunity to fish - due to a shortened season, and not good for the tourism economy.)

So again, we need REAL DATA! So that we know where we stand, good or bad.

Good Night all.

FH
 
I'm not in Tofino and don't have access to my notes from the SFAB meetings last year but i'm pretty sure our share was under 800,000 lbs


BTW, i voted for 6 halis per person annually
 
Just did some digging, and I can't find the end number that the Sport sector was actually allocated in pounds (either it is well hidden or I am just not looking in the right places), at any rate The IPHC determined that the Area 2B (BC) would be allowed to harvest 7,038,000 pounds of halibut in 2012 TOTAL! For First Nations, Commercials, and Sportys.

Since I don't know what the First Nations were allocated by DFO, I can't lay out their numbers.

7,038,000 x 85% = 5,982,300 Pounds for the Commercial sector. (The number given on the IPHC website for the Commercials is: "Area 2B Commercial Catch Limit: 5,953,350 pounds")

7,038,000 x 15% = 1,055,700 Pounds for the Sport sector.

SO,,,,,, if there were 100,000 fish caught this last year (at an average of 15 pounds each), well then we went over considerably, and that is not good at all, and if the average size of the fish caught was bigger say 20 or 25lbs, well that only makes it worse. Now to look at the flip side of the same coin, what if there was only 50,000 fish caught (at an average of 15 pounds), well then we would have only harvested 750,000 pounds, and thus we would have been ripped off on our season length. (This is good for the fish, but not good for those that missed out on an opportunity to fish - due to a shortened season, and not good for the tourism economy.)

So again, we need REAL DATA! So that we know where we stand, good or bad.

Good Night all.

FH

DFO's own numbers TAC (2011) amounted to 1 084 650 lbs for the REC sector. I believe it will be LOWER this year.

"The recreational halibut fishery is diverse. In 2010, there were 255,785 recreational tidal water licenses issued to residents and 45,591 issued to non-residents [Other Canadians and foreign visitors (USA, UK, Europe, and Asia)]."

Lots of tidal lic. issued too.

Great digging FH!

As much as I hate to see an annual limit, we need one to stay within the TAC and that limit needs to be LOW>
 
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DFO's own numbers TAC (2011) amounted to 1 084 650 lbs

"The recreational halibut fishery is diverse. In 2010, there were 255,785 recreational tidal water licenses issued to residents and 45,591 issued to non-residents [Other Canadians and foreign visitors (USA, UK, Europe, and Asia)]."

Lots of tidal lic. issued too.

Great digging FH!

As much as I hate to see an annual limit, we need one to stay within the TAC and that limit needs to be LOW>

Agreed. Like less the 5 fish. Which i would support. What wAs the TAC in 2011? I think it was very similar. maybe 1.2 million if i recall correctly? Which means IMO we didnt gain much out of the slot other then the restriction. Maybe a few extra days.

WE MUST IMPLEMENT SOMETHING TO PROVIDE REAL CATCH DATA.

However, the thing about numbers is you cant hide from them. And we might not like what we see.

Lorne
 
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Agreed. Like less the 5 fish. Which i would support. What ws the TAC in 2011? I think it was very simlat. maybe 1.2 million if i recall correctly? Which means IMO we didnt gain much out of the slot other then the restriction. Maybe a few extra days.

WE MUST IMPLEMENT SOMETHING TO PROVIDE REAL CATCH DATA.

However, the thing about numbers is you cant hide from them. And we might not like what we see.

Lorne

HI Lorne,

I edited my post to make it clearer.
Slightly over ONE million lbs for 300 000 anglers.

Not alot of fish to go around. Any way it shakes out not everyone may be happy.

Maybe NON retention of hali for non Canadian residents should be considered too.
 
As I had suggested in the other poll. With a yearly limit and tags which you must attach to your fish upon catching and keeping then we could have a way of also knowing how many fish were caught say a system where you can send in Data just like hatchery fish!

I am all for a 5 a year limit! with it going back to 2/3 just so guids can still fulfill a charters needs and wants!

-KK
 
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