Hali long line, FN fishing

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halimark

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Had to post, got this bad taste in my mouth.

Hali fishing on anchor last weekend "up island". A guide charter boat what I thought almost ran over my anchor line. When I asked him to stay back he stated they were setting long lines rigged with about 20 baits as he had an "indian" (his words FN) on board and they were native food hali fishing. They then set other lines all over the bank. Then anchored and jigged some distance away. Slept in the same bay as I did and pulled their gear Sun AM. What gives? In a time of reduced 6 yearly hali limits, size crap for sporties and entering on license to standby and watch this happen just does not seem right. How can a charter boat do this. If I were a FN can I hire a charter boat with 3 of my none FN friends and food fish hali, without size, numbers or limits?

Just my rant and had to post. Probably all legal and it's only us sport fishermen that have allowed things to get to the point we are at. To drive 200+ KM pay for gas, boat, time and energy and then compete with 100+ other baits on same reef seems wrong.

HM
 
Have an old native friend I grew up with who does the same thing every year out of Port Renfrew. Hires a charter and
gets some special flag to fly off the boat from the Renfrew tribe. Last year in one 8 hr. trip he came home with over
900 Lbs. of halibut. Cost him a $1000 bucks for the trip,but told me a few weeks later he sold all but 100 lbs. for
himself and came out $4000 ahead! Must be nice to be "above the law"!
 
What happens when the FN population is say 15 million in Canada? Ahh do you think we will be broke as a country if the same rules of today still apply. Are we on the for ever and ever plan? It is a flawed 2 rule system that can't be sustained and we would be better off and so would they if it was scraped now instead of later. Or is this a debt that can never be fully paid off?
 
Some fairly good rants here for sure. As a status native myself lets not paint everyone with the same brush. i have seen my share of non natives fishing and breaking the law many times. what about all the thousands of seals that are wipeing out the stocks of fish?.Its ok to take a sick seal from the beach then let it go back into the ocean to breed and wipe out thosands of fish ? thoses saving the sick seal are doing more damage then 1 native fishing no ? Catching fish just to sell as a sports fisherman is wrong. catching fish for your family and elders maybe a different thing all together. This site is to talk about and enjoy fishing not to slam others.
 
I agree the save every last seal pup mentality is silly but seals are not the problem when it comes to fish populations.

Arg not going to get sucked into this one.
 
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profisher said:
What happens when the FN population is say 15 million in Canada? Ahh do you think we will be broke as a country if the same rules of today still apply. Are we on the for ever and ever plan? It is a flawed 2 rule system that can't be sustained and we would be better off and so would they if it was scraped now instead of later. Or is this a debt that can never be fully paid off?
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perhaps when the time comes .... you can take your clients on a sightseeing boat ride.... then shuffle over > the Res to buy your fish ;)
 
SSIREELACTION said:
Some fairly good rants here for sure. As a status native myself lets not paint everyone with the same brush. i have seen my share of non natives fishing and breaking the law many times. what about all the thousands of seals that are wipeing out the stocks of fish?.Its ok to take a sick seal from the beach then let it go back into the ocean to breed and wipe out thosands of fish ? thoses saving the sick seal are doing more damage then 1 native fishing no ? Catching fish just to sell as a sports fisherman is wrong. catching fish for your family and elders maybe a different thing all together. This site is to talk about and enjoy fishing not to slam others.
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I agree with what you are saying about blame... this is not a FN problem, it's an everyone and every race problem. However, the FN should be doing their part to try to make our (theirs, ours, everyone's) salmon stocks higher and they should have internal regulations during stressed times (like now) and they should do it because they want to for future generations,not because anyone tells them too. just the same as sport fisherman should be who are not FN. i would say the board agrees by seeing how badly flamed poachers get on here.

Without starting a larger debate, I would hope that most people would agree in saying that we are not being racist in these critiques... it is just that when we look at a culture that claims to be the stewards of our land and the true owners of all that live and grows here, we are amazed at the actions of some (important to note some) of these individuals who seem to have little awareness for the damage they are doing and focused solely on a quick grab of money. If i was a member of a local tribe my suggestion would be tougher internal laws and governance to stop the behaviour of the few who are not following the path towards being a steward of the land.

I am metis and proud of my heritage... i also keep very few fish, maybe 4 springs a year, and only what will feed my family in the coming month

as for blaming seals... well thats like blaming volcanoes for global warming.... humans ruined the fish stocks through overfishing, pollution, urbanization... anything else is just a drop in the bucket
 
The events of the past are disgusting and those who were victims should pursue legal compensation/justice. However that has nothing to do with me, my kids, you, your kids and future generations. Move on, work towards making this an even better place to live together....don't continue with laws that keep us apart.
 
profisher said:
The events of the past are disgusting and those who were victims should pursue legal compensation/justice. However that has nothing to do with me, my kids, you, your kids and future generations. Move on, work towards making this an even better place to live together....don't continue with laws that keep us apart.
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I hear you, no doubt and understand that perspective. The problem is the victims seek justice and it is our elected Government who has to pay in the end. That means you and I and all taxpayers. Who else is going to compensate?
 
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