FOUL HOOKING ---PINKS WITH TREBLE HOOKS

[HOOTEY]

I arrived at the Cowichab Bay Government warf this morning at 0600 to find the Cowichan Indian Band netting PINKS for ceremonial purposes...I started fishing ,trying everything I had in my box of lures including flies,,,at approx 0800 I had to leave but came back to see an older probably in his 30's native male fishin for Pinks in a span of 30 minutes he I thought caught 2 silver beauties from right off shore underneath the PUB,,, a big school came in and started finning and jumping so I casted my rooster tail single barbless hook out past the schooling PINKS and snagged up with this natives line,,I told him to stop as it was closer to me he said ( something ignorant) but I said let it go i've got it,,,,mainly because I wanted to see what magic he was usinr,,,,I reel his line in to see a weigh-large trble hok hidden under a large pink hoochie--- while i held this in my hand I called to him to say""" YOU KNOW ITS ILLEGAL TO SNAG FISH AND USE A TREBLE HOOK!!!! """ his comment was ----AS LONG AS ITS BARBLESS ITS OK AND HE WENT ON TO TELL ME HE HAS BEEN DOING THIS AT THE NANAIMO RIVERS AND UP ISLAND----with that I dropped his line and broke down my rod and left---DISGUSTED--- because earlier i was approached by a delightfull DFO FISHERIES OFFICER WILLI JANSEN WHO CHECKED OUR LICENCES AND GEAR ALLONG WITH MY BUDDIES GEAR ETC,,,,,

 

[highlights]

Yhup, really tarnishes the whole experience. If they only knew how pleasurable and effective the legal alternative can be.

.........I have tried for many years to convince the one or two I have encountered, while angling on the lower Cowichan.[|)]

 

[chris73]

As long as it's barbless you can use treble hooks, he is right. Soory for the lack of luck.

 

[HOOTEY]

tHE dfo LADY TOLD US THAT ITS SINGLE BARBLESS HOOKS SMALL,,,CANT REMEMBER THE SIZE BUT SMALL????

 

[Governor]

DFO Fisheries Notice 0571

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s18-eng.htm
This link also has a map to show the open area.

Pink Salmon: In Subareas 18-8 and 18-7 (Cowichan Bay and Satellite Channel): August 1 to September 30, 2009: from the Hecate Boat ramp at approximately 48 44.518N 123 37.475W and shoreward of 8 boundary markers located at approximately: 48 44.569N 123 37.376W, 48 44.540N 123 37.019W, 48 44.523N 123 36.684W, 48 44.344N 123 35.869W, 48 44.232N 123 35.387W, 48 43.982N 123 34.798W, 48 43.531N 123 33.961W, 48 43.258W 123 33.599W), the daily limit for recreationally caught Pink Salmon only is four (4) per day. Hook requirement is a single barbless hook (Hook having a single point) with a 15mm or less hook to shank measurement. Listed on 30/07/2009


PLEASE report those who break the law!

Reporting Numbers for British Columbia DFO:
Observe, Record, Report (ORR) Line - 1-800-465-4336
or
The Province:
Report All Poachers and Polluters (RAPP) - 1-877-952-7277




Gov



God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

 

[Whole in the Water]

Pardon my ignorance in this area, but I've never understood what fishing rules and regs First Nations have to follow and which ones they don't. I thought (and I could be wrong, hence my asking this question) that unless previously and jointly agreed upon, following DFO rules was voluntary and/or optional for First Nations. Especially if it is for food and ceremonial purposes and that they only have to follow the regs if they are commercial fishing. Is this true or not?

Long live wild salmon!!!

 

[chris73]

Hootey, oops, sorry, my bad. Didn't realize that there are special regs for the pink area in the Bay. Assumed it was salmon fishing as usual.

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by Whole in the Water

Pardon my ignorance in this area, but I've never understood what fishing rules and regs First Nations have to follow and which ones they don't. I thought (and I could be wrong, hence my asking this question) that unless previously and jointly agreed upon, following DFO rules was voluntary and/or optional for First Nations. Especially if it is for food and ceremonial purposes and that they only have to follow the regs if they are commercial fishing. Is this true or not?

Long live wild salmon!!!

If I am not mistaken, it depends on the "treaty" the band signed? If I understand correctly, No treaty... No different rights than you or I? The treaty, usually states "as previous". The other kicker... there are some bands that have agreed to abide by DFO regs?

 

[Governor]

Smiley66,

From what I understand, and I may need some correction here from Traveller but the answers to your questions are:

Cowichan Tribes were not direct funders of the program ... however they did approve the project. They also assisted by having the Duncan CEDP Hatchery, which is run under contract by Cowichan Tribes, rear the 250,000 pinks from eyed egg to net pen outplant stage and also helped secure public access for the all anglers on the shore lands where the ribbon opening is, as some/most is on band-owned land.

Most of the funds came from the Duncan angling volunteers who worked tirelessly to get this project up and running - Paul Rickard and Kim Zak to name the two most prominent. They raised over 10,000 dollars in the local Duncan community. I do not believe DFO gave any cash to this project directly but in fairness they did a lot to support it getting off the ground (i.e. technical staff support, Quinsam Hatchery collected broodstock with some volunteer help and incubated the pinks eggs and also DFO helped with the coordination of permits, approvals and setting up the fishery boundaries and regs. BC Min of Environment (Ocean and Marine Fisheries Branch) was also an important factor in the success of this project.

I look upon this as a real successful win-win partnered program. I have seen pictures taken by ecstatic parents of their smiling happy kids holding up a silver salmon caught off the dock in Cowichan Bay. One of the side benefits offered to Cowichan Tribes was any surplus pinks showing up in the bay could be caught by the band for their own use if they chose. Maybe this will lessen pressure on those struggling Cowichan chinook.

Great job you guys who made this happen!

Gov

P.S. - it seems that use of barbed hooks while salmon fishing is, according to DFO enforcement stats, the most frequent sportfishing infraction they run into. (note in general rec fishing has not been bad at compliance)

Laziness, forgetfulness, 'no one will catch me' attitude, intentional law breaking are all reasons but actually the use of barbed hooks is illegal when used for salmon fishing. Let's be ethical on the water and abide by the law and don't forget to report those who are trying to spoil it for all of us.






God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton

 

[Time]

"Hook requirement is a single barbless hook (Hook having a single point) with a 15mm or less hook to shank measurement. Listed on 30/07/2009"

15mm = .59 inches.
That's a size 1/0 hook.

I didn't think the Tribe would be doing any netting until the end of September when they would clean up the remainder of the pink fishery.

 

[HOOTEY]

SAME ******** DIFFERANT DAY,,,the guy is sdtill pulling pinks out at the Pub beach,,,I watched him pull 2 more before I left empty handed....again,,,,

 

[HOOTEY]

OK>>>>>>just spoke to DFO--Native can use treble hooks !!!!!!!The only differance is they are not allowed to use a SNAGGING MOTION!!!! So , now that is cleared up I feel much better NOW!!!!!
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[El Pescador]

quote:Originally posted by HOOTEY

OK>>>>>>just spoke to DFO--Native can use treble hooks !!!!!!!The only differance is they are not allowed to use a SNAGGING MOTION!!!! So , now that is cleared up I feel much better NOW!!!!!
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I know how you feel. A few years ago I lived in Port Alberni, and I had to watch over and over the many springs being caught in Papermill Dam by the natives from the reserve side by snagging them with large treble hooks (barbed) while the DFO would do nothing about it. Regardless of what the "law" may say, I didn't think it was right then, and I don't think it is right now . I haven't fished there for the last number of years, so I don't know if that kind of kr@p does still happen.

 

[HOOTEY]

ROTFLMAO,,,I just recieved an update from Willi DFO Lady,,,THE COWICHAN BAND WILL NOT SUPPORT THE SNAGGING OR USE OF TREBLE HOOKS BY RECREATIONAL NATIVES FISHING FOR PINKS......so the DFO are going to have to do, the preverbial walk on water to check thewse guys out and break any egg shells,,,,,CATCH 22.....[?]

 

[rico]

I am thinking of taking the kids there for a fish there 2morrow. Fish still around? Where and how will i find them? I will be in a boat.

 

[haverodwilltravel]

First Nations...or Indians, should be allowed to take however many fish they want, and catch them in any manner that they want or need to. End of story.

 

[haverodwilltravel]

True story. Until the government stops allowing the decimation of the environment, wantonly wasteful fisheries practices, etc.... do not blame the Indians for bad fish stocks.

Also, are you aware of the Prosperity Mine proposal in the headwaters of the Fraser River???? If not, open your eyes. There is a proposal to use Fish Lake, which runs into the Chilko River, which runs into the Fraser River, as a tailing pond. Yes, a tailing pond.
That in itself will kill 85,000 rainbow trout. But to also have that effluent run into the Fraser will have disasterous effects. So stop blaming the Indians for taking the fish that they need. Thank you.

 

[haverodwilltravel]

I do though not support idiots that snag fish when asked not too

We are lucky to be allowed to fish. If an Indian wants to snag, it's his right.

 

[banger17]

what i am trying to say is that regardless of DFO, regardless of race, colour, age, beliefs etc. it is going to take each one of us to be stewards for all fisheries. using a little class and moral etiquette shouldnt be that hard to come by.

 

[El Pescador]

quote:Originally posted by banger17


what i am trying to say is that regardless of DFO, regardless of race, colour, age, beliefs etc. it is going to take each one of us to be stewards for all fisheries. using a little class and moral etiquette shouldnt be that hard to come by.

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