Fishing Anchovies, in-line or dummy flasher?

dwflyrod said:
as do i two hooked together works great
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Been doing that for ages now works especially well for Sockeye.

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I have had zero luck with kone zones. And to be honest not much better with deltas. I haven't given dummy's a great amount of action. I just find If something new doesn't work I go to the old fav. That being said I love the idea of not fighting a fish on a flasher.... I do run a fly rod on the top with a plug pretty regularly. I just love playing fish :)
 
Chum Bucket said:
What kind of conditions seem to work best?


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I use them when I Feel I am not getting the response I want from large springs which leaves me with 3 choices-use a flasher and lengthen my anchovy leaders to 8,9 or 10 feet which is very awkward, Go anchovy and no flasher or do the intermediate a kone zone dummy with an anchovy above. I will also use them if I want to use a straight 5 or 6 inch spoon but don't totally want to give up the flash-if I hit fish -I try that lure without the Kone Zone dummy. If I can get away without using them I do-they do work but are expensive and it is another thing to take care of which is a pain sometimes off-shore.
 
They are expensive. That's for sure. Thanks for the advice. I have a few and will definitely give them a run this July.


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I have guided at some of these lodges...and when it really counts, flashers can be a big hinderance in favor of the fish. The biggest lodge fish, are NOT taken with flashers.
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Done the Same and Agree to some degree ........ but the concentrations of fish were guiding for while there can be MUCH greater then what were used to around these parts of the Goergia Straight. Fun way to fish with no flashers when there are LOTS of fish around ...... heck why use the rigger, mooching it is dynamite !

Trolling with flashers in line or not ... there are ways to use them, or not ........ more hookups that stick ?? ... who knows. We all loose fish from time to time and its the better person operating the rod that hangs onto the fish, that determine the catch or not. flasher in line or not.
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Yep, exactly! quite different down here in Vancouver area often with quite dirty water or fishing deep water where flashers in-line (or dummies at the very least) have been proven successful. I can tell you that the water in Spring and summer here, even on an average day has pretty poor visibiliy. Its often only 15-20' vis and sometimes much less. In winter it improves . Areas north can have 50-80' vis in summer/fall and more in winter.
As far as what FM said , Yes clear water makes flashers and dummies much less necessary and because I have fished many of the areas FOJ bases his report from I am a bit surprised John (FOJ) bothered with dummies in that clear water and when fishing only 30-35' deep. As High Tide pointed out also areas where there are large concentrations of good sized fish ( in the clear water), would have no real need for "flash" unless adding a dummy did prove to improve action/hits ? I suppose the dummy could still trigger bites due to the cometitor response and bring fish in from farther out ( fish thinking the flasher was another predator/salmon going after same bait )

BTW: My excuse for being on this thread (and not out there fishing since Sunday) is I am home from work fighting a strong bug rather than out there fighting a strong salmon!! lol
 
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I mostly run a kone zone on one side with bait, plugs, or spoons.
Other side I run flasher/hoochie or plug.
Kone zone side usually out fishes the other.
Shallow or deep doesn't seem to matter.
Lose less fish without the flasher.
 
Preference as to what way is more enjoyable to play and land fish aside but speaking to what option is more effective and nets more hook-ups.

While its not quantifiable and only personal gut.......I feel I get more action from in-line, my theory is the extra action the flasher gives the bait.

Some would argue a in-line adds to the fight when using short leaders, just like kicking a horse in the arse when that flasher is spanking them on the side during a run LOL
 
hard to beat the Oki mirror ultra chrome series or clear water series ran as dummys in my opinion. they seem to always attract the most fish compared to anything i'v tried

5-6ft leader with a good ball bearing swivel
 
What I use......(you can never have too many barrels swivels on these)


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I have found late season schooling fish (like Nootka springs on the inside) get tired of the flash and bling. This is especially true if there are lots of boats towing lots of rods with lots of gear, for non feeding fish.

I have KILLED the fish for the past bunch of years towing just and anchovy, or a small herring in a teaser head, waaay back, probably 15-20 pulls before putting it into the downrigger clip. When everyone else is towing the hardware, give it a try.

(The small herring are tougher than an anchovy. More durable and a slightly different roll. I found this out a few years ago when we couldn't get anchovies. Brine them up. The scales stay on and the bellies don't blow out. The fish don't know the difference.)
 
I'll second Crab-bait's post too....

If you are running your bait waaaay back...you have to ask yourself how much difference a couple of flashers up by the ball makes.....
 
crab bait said:
I have found late season schooling fish (like Nootka springs on the inside) get tired of the flash and bling. This is especially true if there are lots of boats towing lots of rods with lots of gear, for non feeding fish.

I have KILLED the fish for the past bunch of years towing just and anchovy, or a small herring in a teaser head, waaay back, probably 15-20 pulls before putting it into the downrigger clip. When everyone else is towing the hardware, give it a try.
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You are right about Nootka-progressive thing really-off-shore 6ft leader for chovy plus a flasher is standard-into Nootka you have to start increasing leader length up to 10ft, next step is the dummy then after that way back and no flashers-same can be done with spoons. Others are catching fish inside on the same gear as you and you're not-your leader is too short!! My rule of thumb!!LOL
 
crab bait said:
I have found late season schooling fish (like Nootka springs on the inside) get tired of the flash and bling. This is especially true if there are lots of boats towing lots of rods with lots of gear, for non feeding fish.

I have KILLED the fish for the past bunch of years towing just and anchovy, or a small herring in a teaser head, waaay back, probably 15-20 pulls before putting it into the downrigger clip. When everyone else is towing the hardware, give it a try.
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Yep, same thing with the late mature chinook at Cap mouth in fall in Vancouver. By late Sept or early October herring (or chovy) alone starts to do much better than flashers/chovy combo. Jacks still hit flasher combo but bigun's prefer as crab bait suggests above
 
Anyone using a dummy flasher this year vs and in-line flasher? What success or lack of are you having? Up north we never fished with an in-line flasher (Dundas Island) but down south (Sooke) most seem to use the in-line.
 
Another twist(as if there aren't enough) I often stack my rigger putting a tried and tru combo such as a super betsy towing a white (602) hootchy or some ez care flasher spoon combo and then 10 ft above it I run a single anchovy behind the bottom rig. Lots of advantages-you are always fishing-if your chovy gets bumped-pop it-leave the hootchy down-re-rig your chovy or check it then when ready to go bring up the rigger and send the chovy back down. The flasher hootchy combo acts as your dummy. Especially effective if you have more than 2 guys on the boat so one can always be at the helm and one guy who knows what he is doing can handle the stacked rod rigger.
 
Spring fever, I'll do the same type of setup. Put a flasher/hootchie combo on the bottom then stack a straight bait just above it, using the flasher as your dummy flasher
 
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