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Originally posted by gimp
Originally posted by handee
At least the fish released in alaska are native to these waters IE NOT ALANTIC SALMON. The ones the fish farms release (ie escape) are not. To say that fish farms keep farmed fish away from wild stocks is a laughable joke as long as you have fish farms on migratory routes. Tell me what happens to the smolt swiming into the fish farm net pens? I think i understand what you are trying to say here but can you elaborat on this statement?
1 Do you sportsfish in saltwater?
2. Do fish farms inavertantly kill wild salmon fry swimming into their net pens?
3 If you have answered #2 honestly lets look at your statement but change the word Releasing to raising and ponder that shal we?
Hi gimp,
you made alot of points here:
1. At least the fish released in alaska are native to these waters -
this is exactly the problem the native fish are being screwed with and then allowed to interbreed with wild stocks. Atlantics cannot interbreed with wild stocks.[b][/b]
2. To say that fish farms keep farmed fish away from wild stocks is a laughable joke as long as you have fish farms on migratory routes.-
as stated above they cant interbreed AND, furthermore, the escape rate of fish farms is about .0002% (measured in thousands, sometimes hundreds and falling), the rate of escape from a SEP or Alaskan fish farms is 100.000% (measured in buillions and rising).
3. Tell me what happens to the smolt swiming into the fish farm net pens?-
It gets ignored by fish conditioned and stuffed on pellets. studies by Hay show that even farm fish on starve will refuse to eat smaller fishes.
4.Do you sportsfish in saltwater?
Not anymore. I dont hunt threatened species of animals or fish anymore. I used to be a sportfishing and a hunting guide
5.Do fish farms inavertantly kill wild salmon fry swimming into their net pens?
No and its easy to study walk into a fish plant and examine the stomachs of farm fish that have been on starve. Its been done. Pellet fed fish prefer pellets. Escaped Atlantics are found with empty bellies. Its easy to repeat this study.
6. If you have answered #2 honestly lets look at your statement but change the word Releasing to raising and ponder that shall we?-gimp you lost me, im sure if you kept starving the farm fish for a really really long time and then filed the pen full of little fishes that some of the fishies would get eaten. My guess is if you maintained this completely artificial system for a really long time some farm fish would adapt to eating fishies and many would die of starvation. Probably another reason hatcheries get only a 2% return rate and call that a roaring success. What's your point here?