fish farm siting criteria & politics

[cuttlefish]

Handee, you said,

quote:Alaska's Governor is a major supporter of alaska Farm salmon (marketted as "wild"). he sits on the board of Science magazine and the Pew foundation that funded the paper.

Right now, Alaska's governor is a woman. Her name is Sarah Palin and she took office in 2006. Before her, Frank Murkowski was governor from 2002-2006. Tony Knowles was governor before Murkowski. None of these people are or were listed as ever being a member of the Board of Directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) which publishes Science magazine. And I mean before, during or after the period that the PCB study was published. You can look and see for yourself at;
http://www.aaas.org/publications/annual_report/2003/31-board.pdf
http://www.aaas.org/publications/annual_report/2004/31-Board.pdf
You can learn more about the AAAS at;
http://www.aaas.org/aboutaaas/

I couldn’t find any of those governors listed as members of the Board of the Pew Charitable Trust (Foundation) either. Their annual reports only go back to 2005 on their website;
http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Static_Pages/About_Us/pew_prospectus_05(1).pdf.
If you can provide more information about your statements concerning the Alaska/Pew foundation/Science magazine linkage, please do so. Otherwise please keep your drivel to yourself.

 

[tubber]

Keep spinning, Handee. The **** industry could use your services as a lobbyist/spokesperson. They provide a viable product and employ hundreds of people too. (No offense to anyone that enjoys **** more than fishing). Please don't call me Dude; it reveals your wayward youthful exuberance and lack of wisdom that only time will allow you to regret.

 

[Jockey]

Check out this quote I grabbed from sushi hunters recent post.

"shooting seals in B.C. is illegal without a permit issued by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans

DFO issues these permits regularly to fish farm operators so that they can legally shoot seals that damage nets and eat their fish."

The DFO culls seals to protect the income earned by the fish farms but they will not do it to protect our wild fish. Nice

Here is a link to the full article.
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10378

 

[handee]

quote:Originally posted by tubber

Keep spinning, Handee. The **** industry could use your services as a lobbyist/spokesperson. They provide a viable product and employ hundreds of people too. (No offense to anyone that enjoys **** more than fishing). Please don't call me Dude; it reveals your wayward youthful exuberance and lack of wisdom that only time will allow you to regret.

tubber, dude!!!

ME spinning? instead of name calling why dont you tell me your take on the spin of : "save the wild salmon, only eat wild salmon!!"

You do that, without name calling (revealing your maturity level) and I'll stop calling you dude, dude.

 

[handee]

quote:Originally posted by cuttlefish

Handee, you said,

quote:Alaska's Governor is a major supporter of alaska Farm salmon (marketted as "wild"). he sits on the board of Science magazine and the Pew foundation that funded the paper.

Right now, Alaska's governor is a woman. Her name is Sarah Palin and she took office in 2006. Before her, Frank Murkowski was governor from 2002-2006. Tony Knowles was governor before Murkowski. None of these people are or were listed as ever being a member of the Board of Directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) which publishes Science magazine. And I mean before, during or after the period that the PCB study was published. You can look and see for yourself at;
http://www.aaas.org/publications/annual_report/2003/31-board.pdf
http://www.aaas.org/publications/annual_report/2004/31-Board.pdf
You can learn more about the AAAS at;
http://www.aaas.org/aboutaaas/

I couldn’t find any of those governors listed as members of the Board of the Pew Charitable Trust (Foundation) either. Their annual reports only go back to 2005 on their website;
http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Static_Pages/About_Us/pew_prospectus_05(1).pdf.
If you can provide more information about your statements concerning the Alaska/Pew foundation/Science magazine linkage, please do so. Otherwise please keep your drivel to yourself.




Very good cuttlefish,

I'll get you the name and titel of the Alaskan governments representation with respect to the Science article and the Pew trust.

Ive given it to you before , I'll get it again.

I think its the father of the current governor and it might be a senator. Matters not, I'll get you the info and then what?

Ive already given ample evidence on this forum that the anti salmon farming lobby in BC is a big part of Alaska marketting their farm fish by demarketting ours.

Ironically our farm salmon production in netpens makes more environmental sense than their ocean ranching.

 

[agentaqua]

quote:Originally posted by agentaqua

Originally posted by cuttlefish
Handee, If you can provide more information about your statements concerning the Alaska/Pew foundation/Science magazine linkage, please do so. Otherwise please keep your drivel to yourself.

Thanks for your efforts in trying to keep people honest and accountable on this forum, Cuttlefish. Your input and work helps keep this a forum with accurate and dependable info.

It's easy - but often tiring and time-consuming answering some of the more outlandish claims at times. I find I don't have the energy to pay any more attention to them - but I am glad you are trying to keep Handee as honest as you can.

 

[handee]

quote:Originally posted by agentaqua

quote:Originally posted by agentaqua

Originally posted by cuttlefish
Handee, If you can provide more information about your statements concerning the Alaska/Pew foundation/Science magazine linkage, please do so. Otherwise please keep your drivel to yourself.

Thanks for your efforts in trying to keep people honest and accountable on this forum, Cuttlefish. Your input and work helps keep this a forum with accurate and dependable info.

It's easy - but often tiring and time-consuming answering some of the more outlandish claims at times. I find I don't have the energy to pay any more attention to them - but I am glad you are trying to keep Handee as honest as you can.

Cuttle and AA,

You guys arent answering any claims. You are so trying to depict me as a liar and a persopn of lower intelligence and morals you ignore all evidence I put foreward.

Cuttlefish tried to "prove me a liar" when I said Morton was a billionarire from Boston.

Back and forth we went and I finally prevailed.

Once again his Googling lacks.

The member of Alaskan govt who sits on the PEW trust and funded the PCB study was (drumroll):

The Honorable Tony Knowles, former governor of Alaska

http://www.coastalstudies.org/whats-new/6-04-2003.htm


Great, so im right again and what fun that was going off to Google land.

Now Im going to find out for you (again) how Alaska is associated with Science Magazine and marketting the sea lice story.

I will try REEEALLY hard to get the names and titles of who it is.

But we already know this stinks to high heavens. BC ENGOs never criticize Alaskan fish farming because that would be biting the hand that feeds. Morton and her pals are spokespersons for the Alaskan wild salmon marketting campaign. I have provided the documented proof. Place that proof beside the absurdity of "Eat wild salmon to save them" mantra and what more do you need?

So you guys keep calling me names and accusing me of being morally bankrupt and I'll keep demonstrating the obvious:

to save wild salmon you have stop doing the things that kill them. And you have to farm them. The experience to date shows that open net pens, while not zero impact (like any type of farming) is the best way to do that.

 

[Barbender]

Handee you are screaming in the wind here. AA and LH love the sound of their own voices on this topic and hate any facts whatsoever that might contravene their distorted views on salmon farming. The fact that the Pew Charitable Trusts as well as the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, the David & Lucille Packard Foundation all support anti farming programs in part from pressure from Alaska will never take hold. They firmly believe the best way to save wild salmon is to eat them. I think their ancestors also believed that was the best way to save the Dodo bird.
As a interesting side note with regards to Pinks in the Broughton I wonder why Ms Morton never ever mentions that Alaska in the 60's used to harvest around 20 million pink salmon per year. Yet in the last five years they have harvested over 140 million fish per year.All the while pinks have been declining in BC waters. Now any real scientist/researcher would at least consider this as a possibility but not Ms Morton. She has another idea, that has nothing to do with the people just a little north of us harvesting 7 times the volume they harvested 40 years ago. Food for thought.

 

[cuttlefish]

Handee you said,

quote:Cuttlefish tried to "prove me a liar" when I said Morton was a billionarire from Boston.

Back and forth we went and I finally prevailed.

I never tried to “prove you a liar”, Handee, but I disagree that you prevailed. I clearly showed that your billionaire math didn’t add up, but you then befuddled the point by saying it was 2 billion in today’s dollars. Interest accrues over time (in this case 36 years) and you were simply wrong to convert into 2008 $. It doesn’t work that way, dude, and I think most folks on this discussion realized that…except you. One thing you’re right about, it’s a minor point. And I’m by no means out of bullets when it comes to digging deeper into the drivel you put out.

You also said,

quote:The member of Alaskan govt who sits on the PEW trust and funded the PCB study was (drumroll):

The Honorable Tony Knowles, former governor of Alaska

http://www.coastalstudies.org/whats-new/6-04-2003.htm


Great, so im right again and what fun that was going off to Google land.

Your link shows that former Alaska Governor Tony Knowles was a Commissioner on the Pew Oceans Commission, not that he sat or sits on the Pew Charitable Trust’s Board of Directors or had anything to do with funding the PCB study. Okay, he has a connection to Pew, being appointed to their Oceans Commission, but what you wrote earlier about the Alaskan governor who “sits on the Pew trust and funded the PCB study” is a very different kettle of fish. Once again, I’m not trying to “prove you a liar”, just trying to keep the apples separate from the oranges.

I eagerly await (again) your proof of “how Alaska is associated with Science Magazine”.

I never said you are morally bankrupt, Handee. You don't substantiate what you write. Without facts to back it up why should I believe you?

In this forum I’m trying to keep facts separate from fiction and looking for a better way to farm salmon that keeps those jobs in our coastal communities and at the same time protects the wild salmon that so many also rely on. I think that we can get there and will continue to contribute what I can to a positive dialogue that intends to create a better path. You obviously think salmon farmers are already there and have all the answers that the great unwashed have not yet clued into. Many others, including myself, think that there may be a better way for salmon farming in BC. However, your immature attacks on personalities don’t help to move that discussion forward. You just obfuscate and alienate those who have opinions different from yours. As Barbender says, you’re fartin’ in the wind. You aren't convincing me.

And, Barbender if you have any proof for your claim that Alaskan fishermen are intercepting BC pinks in excess of the limits provided in the Pacific Salmon Treaty, I’d like to see that proof too. I’m sure Canada and the USA have given this consideration during treaty negotiations. Barbender, care to substantiate your assertions? Or are you just fartin’ too?

 

[cuttlefish]

Handee you said,

quote:Cuttlefish tried to "prove me a liar" when I said Morton was a billionarire from Boston.

Back and forth we went and I finally prevailed.

I never tried to “prove you a liar”, Handee, but I disagree that you prevailed. I clearly showed that your billionaire math didn’t add up, but you then befuddled the point by saying it was 2 billion in today’s dollars. Interest accrues over time (in this case 36 years) and you were simply wrong to convert into 2008 $. It doesn’t work that way, dude, and I think most folks on this discussion realized that…except you. One thing you’re right about, it’s a minor point. And I’m by no means out of bullets when it comes to digging deeper into the drivel you put out.

You also said,

quote:The member of Alaskan govt who sits on the PEW trust and funded the PCB study was (drumroll):

The Honorable Tony Knowles, former governor of Alaska

http://www.coastalstudies.org/whats-new/6-04-2003.htm


Great, so im right again and what fun that was going off to Google land.

Your link shows that former Alaska Governor Tony Knowles was a Commissioner on the Pew Oceans Commission, not that he sat or sits on the Pew Charitable Trust’s Board of Directors or had anything to do with funding the PCB study. Okay, he has a connection to Pew, being appointed to their Oceans Commission, but what you wrote earlier about the Alaskan governor who “sits on the Pew trust and funded the PCB study” is a very different kettle of fish. Once again, I’m not trying to “prove you a liar”, just trying to keep the apples separate from the oranges.

I eagerly await (again) your proof of “how Alaska is associated with Science Magazine”.

I never said you are morally bankrupt, Handee. You don't substantiate what you write. Without facts to back it up why should I believe you?

In this forum I’m trying to keep facts separate from fiction and looking for a better way to farm salmon that keeps those jobs in our coastal communities and at the same time protects the wild salmon that so many also rely on. I think that we can get there and will continue to contribute what I can to a positive dialogue that intends to create a better path. You obviously think salmon farmers are already there and have all the answers that the great unwashed have not yet clued into. Many others, including myself, think that there may be a better way for salmon farming in BC. However, your immature attacks on personalities don’t help to move that discussion forward. You just obfuscate and alienate those who have opinions different from yours. As Barbender says, you’re fartin’ in the wind. You aren't convincing me.

And, Barbender if you have any proof for your claim that Alaskan fishermen are intercepting BC pinks in excess of the limits provided in the Pacific Salmon Treaty, I’d like to see that proof too. I’m sure Canada and the USA have given this consideration during treaty negotiations. Barbender, care to substantiate your assertions? Or are you just fartin’ too?

 

[tubber]

quote:Originally posted by handee

quote:Originally posted by tubber

Keep spinning, Handee. The **** industry could use your services as a lobbyist/spokesperson. They provide a viable product and employ hundreds of people too. (No offense to anyone that enjoys **** more than fishing). Please don't call me Dude; it reveals your wayward youthful exuberance and lack of wisdom that only time will allow you to regret.

tubber, dude!!!

ME spinning? instead of name calling why dont you tell me your take on the spin of : "save the wild salmon, only eat wild salmon!!"

You do that, without name calling (revealing your maturity level) and I'll stop calling you dude, dude.

Terms like young, enthusiastic, and wrong are adjectives/descriptors, not names. You are the one that uses terms like redneck to belittle those that wish fish-farming was conducted in a different way. I'm not trying to save wild salmon by eating them (has anyone ever used this "spin" besides you?) Conservation of existing stocks and protection of specific runs is the responsibility of all users of our waters, but I don't belong to the 'sky is falling' club yet. I'll eat my 4 springs and 3 cohoes without guilt this year, while I continue to avoid restaurants that serve your slop. I'll continue to read the posts but will now leave the debate to those that, based specifically on this thread, are outshining you in this argument because they are are vastly more erudite, persuasive, and honest than you have demonstrated thus far. Keep trying though, I enjoy watching people stomp their feet and bang their heads against the wall when they realize they are losing a contest.

If you get a chance, google 'Cognitive Dissonance', basically a term used to describe how people justify their beliefs and actions even though it is counter to what they know deep down to be true.
eg. It's okay to steal an apple, the orchard has millions or it's okay to put my fish farm pen in the water, doing otherwise would make us uncompetetive, and we're not causing that much harm are we?

I'm done; good luck. Leader lengths, boat stuff etc...are what I signed up for.

 

[tubber]

quote:Originally posted by handee

quote:Originally posted by tubber

Keep spinning, Handee. The **** industry could use your services as a lobbyist/spokesperson. They provide a viable product and employ hundreds of people too. (No offense to anyone that enjoys **** more than fishing). Please don't call me Dude; it reveals your wayward youthful exuberance and lack of wisdom that only time will allow you to regret.

tubber, dude!!!

ME spinning? instead of name calling why dont you tell me your take on the spin of : "save the wild salmon, only eat wild salmon!!"

You do that, without name calling (revealing your maturity level) and I'll stop calling you dude, dude.

Terms like young, enthusiastic, and wrong are adjectives/descriptors, not names. You are the one that uses terms like redneck to belittle those that wish fish-farming was conducted in a different way. I'm not trying to save wild salmon by eating them (has anyone ever used this "spin" besides you?) Conservation of existing stocks and protection of specific runs is the responsibility of all users of our waters, but I don't belong to the 'sky is falling' club yet. I'll eat my 4 springs and 3 cohoes without guilt this year, while I continue to avoid restaurants that serve your slop. I'll continue to read the posts but will now leave the debate to those that, based specifically on this thread, are outshining you in this argument because they are are vastly more erudite, persuasive, and honest than you have demonstrated thus far. Keep trying though, I enjoy watching people stomp their feet and bang their heads against the wall when they realize they are losing a contest.

If you get a chance, google 'Cognitive Dissonance', basically a term used to describe how people justify their beliefs and actions even though it is counter to what they know deep down to be true.
eg. It's okay to steal an apple, the orchard has millions or it's okay to put my fish farm pen in the water, doing otherwise would make us uncompetetive, and we're not causing that much harm are we?

I'm done; good luck. Leader lengths, boat stuff etc...are what I signed up for.

 

[handee]

. I'm not trying to save wild salmon by eating them (has anyone ever used this "spin" besides you?)


ANSWER: YOU DID!!

tubber wrote: I'll eat my 4 springs and 3 cohoes without guilt this year, while I continue to avoid restaurants that serve your slop.

 

[handee]

. I'm not trying to save wild salmon by eating them (has anyone ever used this "spin" besides you?)


ANSWER: YOU DID!!

tubber wrote: I'll eat my 4 springs and 3 cohoes without guilt this year, while I continue to avoid restaurants that serve your slop.

 

[handee]

quote:Originally posted by Barbender

. They firmly believe the best way to save wild salmon is to eat them. I think their ancestors also believed that was the best way to save the Dodo bird.
As a interesting side note with regards to Pinks in the Broughton I wonder why Ms Morton never ever mentions that Alaska in the 60's used to harvest around 20 million pink salmon per year. Yet in the last five years they have harvested over 140 million fish per year.</u>All the while pinks have been declining in BC waters. Now any real scientist/researcher would at least consider this as a possibility but not Ms Morton. She has another idea, that has nothing to do with the people just a little north of us harvesting 7 times the volume they harvested 40 years ago. Food for thought.

Barbender,

That is food for thought. Unless you are cuttlefish and agentaqua, because the science has been done!! It was published after all!!There is no need for debate.

Also dont forget they havent even proved that we have had any unusual declines in pink populations. We had lower returns than we do now long before salmon farming started (1961 and 1985 I believe- I have to be careful because Cuttlefish will dismiss me as incredible if Iam off by a year on this). And remember Morton still cant explain why we have had the biggest pink returns SINCE salmon farming started.

So far the pink returns are fluctuating as usual, lice levels are trending lower over the past 3 years (not that they have been shown to have any impact on wild salmon anyway- we cant make them kill even .7 gram fish in the lab at megadoses).

So on and on.

Your Alaska pink haul is a good one but its just another factor of a long list of variables ignored by the Alaska salmon Farmer Marketters aka Morton et al.

What else is ignored or washed over?
- predators, water current, resident adult pacifics, Glendale river system, illegal fishing, natural river blockages, alternate hosts eg sticklebacks, salnity, increased sea surface temperature etc etc. In fact it is the list of usual suspects for any [real] scientist to consider but ignored by AA and Cuttlefish. they are true believers.

Now we can add your facts increased pink salmon fishing totals from Alaska to the list of variables not considered by the anti salmon farmers.

Its amazing (if you dont think Suzuki and Morton are working for the USA to promote the eating of wild salmon)that Morton and Suzuki say nothing about the Alaskan ocean ranchers. Perhaps the cause of their make-believe Broughton-specific pink salmon crash could be related to the billion or so net pen fish released every year in Alaska to compete and breed with our wild salmon? You never here a whisper about it. How can you wail endlessly and hold goddamn vigils for the pink salmon without making so much as a whisper about the most intrusive form of aquaculture there is being done on a massive scale in Alaska?

PS Cuttlefish, I showed you using standard inflation adjustment practices (not interest rates) to show you one way to confirm the obvious about Mortons lineage. Based on the evidence Morton's Mom is worth at least a few billion dollars. As part of the US elite she was a candidate for the US Vice Presidency. Not something mentioned in her autobiographical videos or website where she paints herself as David vs Goliath.

However with that kind of wealth and connections its pretty convincing that this at least could explain how she has been so effective as marketting herself as a poor single mom "scientist" in Echo bay fighting the Goliath Fish Farm companies. A billion dollars can buy a girl alot of friends and even get your name on a published paper and get yourself designated as a Registered Professional Bio (when the president is the executive director of the Suzuki Foundation).

Take this together with her outright lies about her own published studies (implying they prove lice from farm kills wild salmon when in the actual paper she says just the opposite: no causal link)take this together that her predictions of extinction and demise and rising lice counts keep NOT coming true and I think I make a pretty good case for who lacks credibility in this debate.

Im not picking on her either its just easier to single out the biggest hypocrite of the pack (Volpe, Krkosek, Lewis being the other major celebrity scientists feeding at the Alaskan teat- they owe their careers to Mortons Mommy and the Alaskan govt). I mean these guys not only get their stuff piublished but someone is picking up some pretty hefty public relations bills.


Oh yes and there is all that peer reviewed published science by real scientists that totally contradicts her and the gang of computer modellers. Oh and the letter by 18 experts (not just friends who have a Dr in front of their name, but experts in the actual disciplines relating to the study of fisheries and sea lice) that say the assumptions used to make the computer model predict extinction were stupid (eg ignoring rivers that did not suffer pink salmon declines and had spawning channels, but including rivers that had declined and had spawning channels). Talk about not passing peer review.

 

[handee]

quote:Originally posted by Barbender

. They firmly believe the best way to save wild salmon is to eat them. I think their ancestors also believed that was the best way to save the Dodo bird.
As a interesting side note with regards to Pinks in the Broughton I wonder why Ms Morton never ever mentions that Alaska in the 60's used to harvest around 20 million pink salmon per year. Yet in the last five years they have harvested over 140 million fish per year.</u>All the while pinks have been declining in BC waters. Now any real scientist/researcher would at least consider this as a possibility but not Ms Morton. She has another idea, that has nothing to do with the people just a little north of us harvesting 7 times the volume they harvested 40 years ago. Food for thought.

Barbender,

That is food for thought. Unless you are cuttlefish and agentaqua, because the science has been done!! It was published after all!!There is no need for debate.

Also dont forget they havent even proved that we have had any unusual declines in pink populations. We had lower returns than we do now long before salmon farming started (1961 and 1985 I believe- I have to be careful because Cuttlefish will dismiss me as incredible if Iam off by a year on this). And remember Morton still cant explain why we have had the biggest pink returns SINCE salmon farming started.

So far the pink returns are fluctuating as usual, lice levels are trending lower over the past 3 years (not that they have been shown to have any impact on wild salmon anyway- we cant make them kill even .7 gram fish in the lab at megadoses).

So on and on.

Your Alaska pink haul is a good one but its just another factor of a long list of variables ignored by the Alaska salmon Farmer Marketters aka Morton et al.

What else is ignored or washed over?
- predators, water current, resident adult pacifics, Glendale river system, illegal fishing, natural river blockages, alternate hosts eg sticklebacks, salnity, increased sea surface temperature etc etc. In fact it is the list of usual suspects for any [real] scientist to consider but ignored by AA and Cuttlefish. they are true believers.

Now we can add your facts increased pink salmon fishing totals from Alaska to the list of variables not considered by the anti salmon farmers.

Its amazing (if you dont think Suzuki and Morton are working for the USA to promote the eating of wild salmon)that Morton and Suzuki say nothing about the Alaskan ocean ranchers. Perhaps the cause of their make-believe Broughton-specific pink salmon crash could be related to the billion or so net pen fish released every year in Alaska to compete and breed with our wild salmon? You never here a whisper about it. How can you wail endlessly and hold goddamn vigils for the pink salmon without making so much as a whisper about the most intrusive form of aquaculture there is being done on a massive scale in Alaska?

PS Cuttlefish, I showed you using standard inflation adjustment practices (not interest rates) to show you one way to confirm the obvious about Mortons lineage. Based on the evidence Morton's Mom is worth at least a few billion dollars. As part of the US elite she was a candidate for the US Vice Presidency. Not something mentioned in her autobiographical videos or website where she paints herself as David vs Goliath.

However with that kind of wealth and connections its pretty convincing that this at least could explain how she has been so effective as marketting herself as a poor single mom "scientist" in Echo bay fighting the Goliath Fish Farm companies. A billion dollars can buy a girl alot of friends and even get your name on a published paper and get yourself designated as a Registered Professional Bio (when the president is the executive director of the Suzuki Foundation).

Take this together with her outright lies about her own published studies (implying they prove lice from farm kills wild salmon when in the actual paper she says just the opposite: no causal link)take this together that her predictions of extinction and demise and rising lice counts keep NOT coming true and I think I make a pretty good case for who lacks credibility in this debate.

Im not picking on her either its just easier to single out the biggest hypocrite of the pack (Volpe, Krkosek, Lewis being the other major celebrity scientists feeding at the Alaskan teat- they owe their careers to Mortons Mommy and the Alaskan govt). I mean these guys not only get their stuff piublished but someone is picking up some pretty hefty public relations bills.


Oh yes and there is all that peer reviewed published science by real scientists that totally contradicts her and the gang of computer modellers. Oh and the letter by 18 experts (not just friends who have a Dr in front of their name, but experts in the actual disciplines relating to the study of fisheries and sea lice) that say the assumptions used to make the computer model predict extinction were stupid (eg ignoring rivers that did not suffer pink salmon declines and had spawning channels, but including rivers that had declined and had spawning channels). Talk about not passing peer review.

 

[Barbender]

This is directly from the Alaskan Govt. Interesting how they have increased (by hundreds of millions) their Pink catch rates the last few years. I bet you could draw a corelation with a few other fisheries that are in trouble here in Canada.Of course we both realize facts and real science have no place with anti aquaculture groups.

 

[Barbender]

This is directly from the Alaskan Govt. Interesting how they have increased (by hundreds of millions) their Pink catch rates the last few years. I bet you could draw a corelation with a few other fisheries that are in trouble here in Canada.Of course we both realize facts and real science have no place with anti aquaculture groups.

 

[handee]

yeah look at all those fluctuations,

just like the pinks in the Broughton and the rest of BC both where there are fish farms and where there are not.

When you look at the data of pink returns to the Broughton you can see most of thebad returns happened before fish farming and the record returns happened after fish farming.

this is where it gets funny: Morton says that the improved returns since salmon farming are due to spawing channels in the Glendale River.

Yet in her last paper they ignored the Glendale because it had a Channel yet they included another river with a channel.

the reality is this: if sea lice were killing pinks, wouldnt thet kill Glendale pinks BEFORE thye reached the spawning channel and therefore the presence of a channel would be irrelevant?


But Barbender we are just spin doctors you know. Its all about sea lice from fish farms.

Its just that simple, it has to be, the science is DONE. Its PROVEN. And thanks to that proof people are refusing to eat farm salmon and ordering ONLY wild salmon.

Like the waiter says: "will that be farmed or endangered salmon monsieur?"

 

[handee]

yeah look at all those fluctuations,

just like the pinks in the Broughton and the rest of BC both where there are fish farms and where there are not.

When you look at the data of pink returns to the Broughton you can see most of thebad returns happened before fish farming and the record returns happened after fish farming.

this is where it gets funny: Morton says that the improved returns since salmon farming are due to spawing channels in the Glendale River.

Yet in her last paper they ignored the Glendale because it had a Channel yet they included another river with a channel.

the reality is this: if sea lice were killing pinks, wouldnt thet kill Glendale pinks BEFORE thye reached the spawning channel and therefore the presence of a channel would be irrelevant?


But Barbender we are just spin doctors you know. Its all about sea lice from fish farms.

Its just that simple, it has to be, the science is DONE. Its PROVEN. And thanks to that proof people are refusing to eat farm salmon and ordering ONLY wild salmon.

Like the waiter says: "will that be farmed or endangered salmon monsieur?"