Driving an EV pickup

Looking at buying used Lightning, is there any models I should stay away from? I am pathologically frugal so the best bang for my buck is what I am after. Mostly South Island short trips, but if it had the range from Victoria to Campbell River that would be a bonus.

Very aware of the pros and cons of an EV, we have had one in our household for 8years. This will be our second one to the household.

you seriously planning on buying a car with a completely discontinued platform ? wow.
even ignoring the EV part of it, they are shutting it down completely. they arent even going to be producing replacement parts for it. the fire at their aluminum supplier Novelis took care of that. by 2028 there isnt going to be any further updates, parts or support for it. its not even a profitable model so there is zero incentive for them to keep it on the road past the warranty period.
they are already advertising the new platform -
even if it was a regular gas truck i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole.
 
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In 22 and 23, Ford loaded the XLT Lightning with a ton of accessories. I did a trial build online of a gas XLT adding all those items to make it equivalently eqipped to mine. It would have cost over $8K to add those options; was almost cheaper to go to a Lariat.

Most XLTs in those first years were SR. When new, that extra 33 kWh/100 km range was a very steep $16K upgrade, plus it took the truck above the ceiling for rebates, so most XLT buyers in that early phase went SR and saved the $20+K. If you do find an XLT ER you'll probably get that extra battery capacity for under 10K, which is a much better deal. Battery degradation on Lightning is proving to be very minor so far, the average is under 0.5% per year.
you seriously planning on buying a car with a completely discontinued platform ? wow.
even ignoring the EV part of it, they are shutting it down completely. they arent even going to be producing replacement parts for it. the fire at their aluminum supplier took care of that. by 2028 there isnt going to be any further updates, parts or support for it. its not even a profitable model so there is zero incentive for them to keep it on the road past the warranty period.
they are already advertising the new platform -
even if it was a regular gas truck i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole.
The FUD is strong in this one...

As posted on this page, software updates, warranty support and recall notices are all rolling along like normal. Parts, what parts? Motors and battery pack are expected to live as long as the truck itself. Most body and cabin parts are compatible with regular F150.

Similar fears were everywhere when GM killed off some badges in 2009 as part of their rationalization during the global financial crisis. We had purchased a Pontiac just months earlier and had concerns like everyone else. Nope, warranty and recall support continued through full term. Mrs Sly is still driving that little hatchback, now in its 18th year.

GM was in a huge crisis in those years and had to be bailed out by the US govt, yet they maintained support for all the Pontiac, Hummer and Saturn owners. They literally declared bankruptcy, yet maintained support because they knew it was essential to maintain trust in their brand. Ford today is in a much better position, and the same principle applies anyway: to abandon any model owner group would be deeply damaging to the overall brand.

I get that you don't want to buy an EV, but it feels like you're trying to fit the Lightning configuration change into a picture you've painted of the entire EV concept failing. Yet worldwide EV sales continue to grow, at a faster rate than ICE.

Ford built an excellent truck, and it quickly became the world's best selling EV pickup. There's almost 100,000 of them out there. But those are small numbers to Ford (2.5 million F series trucks sold in same time period). I can't say I blame Ford for adjusting their direction. Doesn't make the Lightning a bad vehicle. Owners love them and will continue to do so for many years to come.
 
you seriously planning on buying a car with a completely discontinued platform ? wow.
even ignoring the EV part of it, they are shutting it down completely. they arent even going to be producing replacement parts for it. the fire at their aluminum supplier Novelis took care of that. by 2028 there isnt going to be any further updates, parts or support for it. its not even a profitable model so there is zero incentive for them to keep it on the road past the warranty period.
they are already advertising the new platform -
even if it was a regular gas truck i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole.
Manufactures discontinued platforms all the time, it’s not a big deal in the automotive world. Anything that’s is or becomes a common fail on a Lightning will be picked up by the aftermarket if not supported by the OE.
 
In 22 and 23, Ford loaded the XLT Lightning with a ton of accessories. I did a trial build online of a gas XLT adding all those items to make it equivalently eqipped to mine. It would have cost over $8K to add those options; was almost cheaper to go to a Lariat.

Most XLTs in those first years were SR. When new, that extra 33 kWh/100 km range was a very steep $16K upgrade, plus it took the truck above the ceiling for rebates, so most XLT buyers in that early phase went SR and saved the $20+K. If you do find an XLT ER you'll probably get that extra battery capacity for under 10K, which is a much better deal. Battery degradation on Lightning is proving to be very minor so far, the average is under 0.5% per year.

The FUD is strong in this one...

As posted on this page, software updates, warranty support and recall notices are all rolling along like normal. Parts, what parts? Motors and battery pack are expected to live as long as the truck itself. Most body and cabin parts are compatible with regular F150.

Similar fears were everywhere when GM killed off some badges in 2009 as part of their rationalization during the global financial crisis. We had purchased a Pontiac just months earlier and had concerns like everyone else. Nope, warranty and recall support continued through full term. Mrs Sly is still driving that little hatchback, now in its 18th year.

GM was in a huge crisis in those years and had to be bailed out by the US govt, yet they maintained support for all the Pontiac, Hummer and Saturn owners. They literally declared bankruptcy, yet maintained support because they knew it was essential to maintain trust in their brand. Ford today is in a much better position, and the same principle applies anyway: to abandon any model owner group would be deeply damaging to the overall brand.

I get that you don't want to buy an EV, but it feels like you're trying to fit the Lightning configuration change into a picture you've painted of the entire EV concept failing. Yet worldwide EV sales continue to grow, at a faster rate than ICE.

Ford built an excellent truck, and it quickly became the world's best selling EV pickup. There's almost 100,000 of them out there. But those are small numbers to Ford (2.5 million F series trucks sold in same time period). I can't say I blame Ford for adjusting their direction. Doesn't make the Lightning a bad vehicle. Owners love them and will continue to do so for many years to come.
Thank You, that makes sense now why finding a ER version of the earlier years seems to be a needle in a hay stack.
 
Thank You, that makes sense now why finding a ER version of the earlier years seems to be a needle in a hay stack.
If you're not aware already, the trims were rationalized a bit for MY 2024 and onward.
Pro, XLT: SR battery only
Flash, Lariat, Platinum: ER battery only.
Flash is equipped same as XLT but has the bigger battery. Not as many goodies on the 24 and 25 XLTs, for example only 2.4 kW onboard power whereas all 22s and 23s had the full 9.6 kW.

One thing the 2024 and 2025 trucks have going for them is a heat pump for cabin and battery heating. Like residential heat pumps, its efficiency drops off at lower outside temps, but at 0°C it should use about a third of the energy of the earlier models with resistance coil heating. Comments on the forums suggest that these improvements in heating energy are fairly minor improvement to overall driving energy use, since the un- aerodynamic shape of the truck is much more of a factor than cabin heat. I generally find the heated seats and wheel are enough and usually keep the thermostat set down at 18 on a trip, mainly to keep the windshield clear.

Odometer reading shouldn't be as big a factor in used truck pricing with EV. Battery health is more important. Take an OBD2 dongle with you and put Car Scanner app on your phone. Takes seconds to grab the information. Overall km driven will give some indication of body and interior wear and tear, but we all know some drivers flog their trucks and some baby them.
 
you seriously planning on buying a car with a completely discontinued platform ? wow.
even ignoring the EV part of it, they are shutting it down completely. they arent even going to be producing replacement parts for it. the fire at their aluminum supplier Novelis took care of that. by 2028 there isnt going to be any further updates, parts or support for it. its not even a profitable model so there is zero incentive for them to keep it on the road past the warranty period.
they are already advertising the new platform -
even if it was a regular gas truck i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole.
Why do you trolll so hard?? 😂
 
Manufactures discontinued platforms all the time, it’s not a big deal in the automotive world. Anything that’s is or becomes a common fail on a Lightning will be picked up by the aftermarket if not supported by the OE.
This is literally what the oem suppliers hope for. If the platform is discontinued the oem can often sell parts direct bypassing the dealer network to capitalize on the outlay for tooling.
 
Big Bird, just my 2 cents on your shopping: ER or no deal. If it was a car for around town, I wouldn't say the same thing. But its a truck and the range drop when towing is the main reason for my statement.

Heat pump in the 24+ models is a nice add, but like others said the heater is not a huge factor in energy usage of this machine in the winter.

I wouldn't be afraid to buy a used lightning, one bit. Discontinued or otherwise. Ford made a really good machine with this truck, and its discontinuation is about economics and not capability. I would guess that the coming EREV will share significant components from the Lightning.
 
Big Bird, just my 2 cents on your shopping: ER or no deal. If it was a car for around town, I wouldn't say the same thing. But its a truck and the range drop when towing is the main reason for my statement.

Heat pump in the 24+ models is a nice add, but like others said the heater is not a huge factor in energy usage of this machine in the winter.

I wouldn't be afraid to buy a used lightning, one bit. Discontinued or otherwise. Ford made a really good machine with this truck, and its discontinuation is about economics and not capability. I would guess that the coming EREV will share significant components from the Lightning.
Agree with this. For my use, I'm fine with SR in most respects, an extra stop or two on a trip wasn't worth the $20+K price hit on new purchase to go ER. But the economics are better on used buy, looks like about $10K gap there. I did some looking when the news came about the Lightning configuration change, thought maybe some panic selling would get me into an ER for cheap but that didn't really happen.

My only long tow is the once a year run to the Sunshine Coast and back. When towing, SR battery + highway speeds = looking for a charge every hour and a half. The ER battery would take that up to two hours, which aligns better with my bladder/coffee stop frequency. For that once a year trip, I plan around the extra charge stop, especially since it means a cost reduction of 50-60%, but it would be nice to have that longer run between charges while towing. One detail to keep in mind is ER has a higher charging rate, can accept 175 kW.

I'd buy a used Lightning for sure. I'm selling off all my work fleet this year or I'd already have a second one. And the only truck I'm keeping is the Lightning.
 
Big Bird, just my 2 cents on your shopping: ER or no deal. If it was a car for around town, I wouldn't say the same thing. But its a truck and the range drop when towing is the main reason for my statement.

Heat pump in the 24+ models is a nice add, but like others said the heater is not a huge factor in energy usage of this machine in the winter.

I wouldn't be afraid to buy a used lightning, one bit. Discontinued or otherwise. Ford made a really good machine with this truck, and its discontinuation is about economics and not capability. I would guess that the coming EREV will share significant components from the Lightning.
ER is what I am ultimately after but they are a little harder to find it seems. It’s not imperative that I have an ER version as I have a F350 that will do my heavy hauling and towing needs.
 
Overnight trip to Abbotsford and back. I used the adaptive cruise control extensively, because it was improved a lot in one of this year's updates. Most notably, it adjusts speed in and out of curves, and slows down ahead of a lower speed limit. Much more like how a human driver operates, but can't inadvertently cruise too far above or below the speed limit.

I'm still bemused by the notion that a traditional car maker continues to improve its vehicles three years after they were built. In the past, such improvements were feed for the marketing team to use to sell new models.

Gorgeous mild weather, perfect days to drive our amazing BC roads. Ideal conditions for EV too, very little energy used for battery temp or climate control. Stopped to charge at Manning Park both ways. This morning I plugged in at a Tesla near the hotel then walked 3 min for coffee and breakfast sandwiches, back to 90% by the time I Ireturned. On both days, the lunch stop at Manning took longer than the truck needed on the charger. It's so easy and painless to plan a meal to coincide with a charge stop. Inconvenience = 0.
 
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