Are you implying Fraser chinook stocks are not in trouble?Ohh come on man. Really.
Are you implying Fraser chinook stocks are not in trouble?Ohh come on man. Really.
Apparently DFO can shut down all sport and commercial fishing so a few chinook can feed whales and or head to the Fraser. Who knows what happens once they make it to the Fraser though.Do steelhead sportfishers really expect to shut down all FN and commercial fishing just so you can go trophy hunting for a steelhead?
Not for those trophy hunting for Chinooks.Are you implying Fraser chinook stocks are not in trouble?
Ohh come on man. Really.
Well it’s nation to nation negotiations when you start to talk about First Nation fisheries.
Tbh the commercial and rec sector are not even in the room for that despite what
Anyone on here has lead you to believe.
The 42 day rolling closure and 27 day first nation closure was signed off by the fisheries minister. My understanding is First Nations didn't even want a 27 day closure.
The current liberal government is going to listen to First Nation advice in nation to nation negotiations. That’s just the reality of the politics.
Before the closure windows were put in, and before the emergency listing process I was at a meeting where recreational reps were literally at the table screaming at DFO reps. “ these fish are going to be extinct and that blood is going to be on your hands if you do nothing” one guy got up and screamed. Some of these guys have been trying to get some kind of move to from DFO on the IFS for 20’years or more,
Going down the same parth inp ort alberni or the skeena will undoubtedly lead to recreational fishermen sitting on the sidelines watching first
Nations fish. So you can see why our sector is not screaming shut down fishing.
I think most people agree with what BOB has to say but not everyone agrees with bobs solutions.
Are you implying Fraser chinook stocks are not in trouble?
Thirty years ago the same thing could be said for steelhead stocks on the Fraser, "not all of them were in trouble". Now they are all facing extinction. Regarding comparing the two species. They are both part of the Fraser River watershed, they are both impacted by all the same survival factors, they are both on the decline, why wouldn't you compare them to each other?I'm saying that not all of them are and I don't understand what Chinook have to do with steelhead.
You cannot compare the 2 species.
Because it makes it look like they are doing something.Protection for ALL fish and fish habitat....if there was zero intention of using this language to steer resource conservation guidelines, why even bother to publish it with all the fanfare it received?
OMG, 21 stocks out of 28 are in trouble and some equal to the Thompson Steelhead.I'm saying that not all of them are and I don't understand what Chinook have to do with steelhead.
You cannot compare the 2 species.
Well it certainly is not simple nor is it something "you" is able to achieve. Mind you as individuals we can certainly tone down the rhetoric. All the stakeholders need to work towards common goals that will help protect and improve the numbers of fish on the spawning beds. This will require leadership from all governments ( currently lacking) and working with all stakeholders which would includes angling groups, engo's, FN etc....note that FN is of course included in governments above but is also a stakeholder. I should add that $$'s are most certainly needed to transition FN/Commerical fisheries to selective methods and third party monitoring. Not simple at all but we do at least have the solutions available today it is the implementation that is the challenge.Sounds so simple ... So then how does one get all levels of concerned folks at one table and work together...At this time this hasnt happen ..not sure you if can
Note that this data supposedly reflects steelhead retained not encountered.https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/PDFs/SteelheadKeptCatch.pdf guess they haven't got any steelhead in their nets yet .
In addition, the mortality rate of Steelhead after a gill next encounter is around 60%.Note that this data supposedly reflects steelhead retained not encountered.
That I believe is the number that DFO has used in the past, and is based on best practices so I am in absolute agreement with you that the mortality is actually much higher in reality.Any steelhead or salmon caught in a gillnet if not released within a minute or two of entanglement is dead, damage done to the gills is irrepairable.
Throw in a set net that doesnt get checked for hours at best.
Maybe 60% with a live release tank on board if taken from net quickly. However one of the other killers is the damage it causes to the flesh which in turn creates mold and fungus in the head. A large number of steelhead we encountered on the Thompson as well as other rivers would be covered in fungus from the nets, zero chance of these fish making it to the spring spawn.
Been around way too many nets to even entertain the idea of 60% for our in-river fisheries......
Finally, something I can agree with. Stop the bun tossing - find the common ground solutions the majority can support - sit down together (in meetings where there is skin in the game) and work collaboratively to move forward the recovery strategies all interests can get behind. Way more gets done by getting involved, than will ever be accomplished sitting on internet forums.Well it certainly is not simple nor is it something "you" is able to achieve. Mind you as individuals we can certainly tone down the rhetoric. All the stakeholders need to work towards common goals that will help protect and improve the numbers of fish on the spawning beds. This will require leadership from all governments ( currently lacking) and working with all stakeholders which would includes angling groups, engo's, FN etc....note that FN is of course included in governments above but is also a stakeholder. I should add that $$'s are most certainly needed to transition FN/Commerical fisheries to selective methods and third party monitoring. Not simple at all but we do at least have the solutions available today it is the implementation that is the challenge.