Conservation Measures for Northern and Southern BC Chinook Salmon and Southern Resident Killer Whale

[redman210]

Wolf said it right.... it is a battle that will not be won.... history repeats itself.... recreational fishing is quickly becoming a thing if the past. I will be posting my boat up for sale this week. Only come out 3-4 times per year... not worth it anymore. Good Luck all! No sense crying over it or arguing.... its done and done.

 

[casper5280]

I'm not really buying the whole noise thing, for the last 2 weeks there has been whales swimming right into the Inner Harbour in the middle of the day. If that doesn't say something I don't know what will. I still believe that IF this is really a quite zone that no one should be in the Zone. I also think that if other groups were prohibited DFO would have a bigger fight on their hands and is probably why they did it the way they did.
I do kind of see Profisher's point that it's still ****** up doing it the way they did, and are fight isn't with the whale watchers or other groups, it's with DFO. I still think the whale watchers harass the whales and there should be some policing on them, but that is a different fight. If we had deep enough pockets I'm sure a good lawyer could blow huge holes in any defense DFO could come up with to support this crap they've given us.

 

[Charter Tofino]

This isn't the first time that our west coast fisheries have gotten political or the first time that sport fisherman have felt the end is near. There has been years with complete coast wide chinook closures in the 80s/90s. It certainly looks grim but it's far from over.

 

[SpringVelocity]

This isn't the first time that our west coast fisheries have gotten political or the first time that sport fisherman have felt the end is near. There has been years with complete coast wide chinook closures in the 80s/90s. It certainly looks grim but it's far from over.

Exactly.

 

[Whole in the Water]

Exactly.

X2 - Totally agree. Sad to see some give up. However the vast majority of us rec fishers will remain and fight for ourselves our family and friends and future generations!!!

 

[profisher]

This is the time to fight not quit! 3rd Rock and Sheringham aren't going anywhere and neither am I!!

 

[halimark]

Cant believe so many people still think all the new rules and regs for only sport fishers has ANYTHING to do with the dam whales. Wake up please. No sane person could make a rule to stop sport fishing boats due to the noise hurting the poor whales but allow these same animals to be harassed during all daylight hours in the same areas. No sane person could close chinook salmon fishing over a vast area to allow more fish to be available to feed these poor whales and then spawn but allow these fish to be killed in the river DFO wants to protect. It must be me crazy, so many others cant be that nuts.

HM

 

[Floater]

Cant believe so many people still think all the new rules and regs for only sport fishers has ANYTHING to do with the dam whales. Wake up please. No sane person could make a rule to stop sport fishing boats due to the noise hurting the poor whales but allow these same animals to be harassed during all daylight hours in the same areas. No sane person could close chinook salmon fishing over a vast area to allow more fish to be available to feed these poor whales and then spawn but allow these fish to be killed in the river DFO wants to protect. It must be me crazy, so many others cant be that nuts.

HM

Boom. There it is.

Forgive me as I put on my tin foil hat here for a second.

-Women are encouraged to scorn family life.
-Men are scorned for “toxic masculinity”
-Schools/The system are promoted as a replacement for family
-Kids are taught in kindergarten that it is almost preferable they don’t take on traditional roles
-Christian religious fundamentals (that provided the ideas for our society) are scorned (btw I’m agnostic) while barbaric religions are protected.
-Institutions like Boy Scouts have been gutted.

I could keep this list going and going, but one thing is for sure, the traditions/pastimes of our culture are seen as inconsequential and basically a nuisance to “progress”. If you believe that western culture is inherently corrupt (although extremely successful) then you must tear it down to bring on a utopian alternative.

Laugh all you want, but I guarantee this type of thinking which has been indoctrinated into our youth through the media and college campuses is rampant throughout our beurocratic institutions. They couldn’t give a rats butt what fishing means to a chunk of the population.

I’ve sold my boat. Some may say that’s letting them win and I’d kinda agree. But the numbers don’t add up for me to have such an expensive hobby and fish with a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[california]

Boom. There it is.

Forgive me as I put on my tin foil hat here for a second.

-Women are encouraged to scorn family life.
-Men are scorned for “toxic masculinity”
-Schools/The system are promoted as a replacement for family
-Kids are taught in kindergarten that it is almost preferable they don’t take on traditional roles
-Christian religious fundamentals (that provided the ideas for our society) are scorned (btw I’m agnostic) while barbaric religions are protected.
-Institutions like Boy Scouts have been gutted.

I could keep this list going and going, but one thing is for sure, the traditions/pastimes of our culture are seen as inconsequential and basically a nuisance to “progress”. If you believe that western culture is inherently corrupt (although extremely successful) then you must tear it down to bring on a utopian alternative.

Laugh all you want, but I guarantee this type of thinking which has been indoctrinated into our youth through the media and college campuses is rampant throughout our beurocratic institutions. They couldn’t give a rats butt what fishing means to a chunk of the population.

I’ve sold my boat. Some may say that’s letting them win and I’d kinda agree. But the numbers don’t add up for me to have such an expensive hobby and fish with a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[searun]

Canada once had a wonderful iconic tradition called recreational fishing. Families passed on the tradition through annual excursions to sacred places where new adventures and family lore were born anew each season. Techniques and special fishing tips were passed down from generation to generation. Traditional knowledge that would form the back bone of our Canadian social fabric - a way of life passed down to the youth.

Sadly however, the Canadian social fabric that formed recreational fishing began to be eroded away when successive generations of city dwellers became slowly detached from Canada’s natural beauty and the iconic values of this great tradition. Slowly too, politicians swayed by social media and the lure of votes began to devalue the recreational fishery by siding with those who called for a complete ban of all recreational fishing because they had been influenced to believe it was bad for the environment, bad as it clearly harvested many Salmon precious to endangered killer whales.

Faced with tough political decisions those same politicians felt they had to take action to show their potential supporters that they too understood the great damage Recreational fishing caused. Despite knowing the facts, seeing the science- that the problems weren’t really caused by the recreational fishery they of course had no choice.

Alas, a compromise. Let’s close vast portions of areas to recreational fishing ! Yes there was no science to support it, but the recreational fishers are an easy group to push. They easily fight amongst themselves and seldom agree on anything. This would be the path of least resistance! A viable solution was born. A clean get away. We will consult them, keep them very busy so they can’t have time to organize any resistance. We will waive trinkets in front of them to distract - as they are so easily lured off course.

Then once we have one Area Closure in place, we will wait until they are off enjoying what little fishing opportunities are available and then we will offer up a new “consultation” process with a 3 week deadline in the middle of their highly prized fishing season. Yes, they will be easily distracted. No one will see it coming.

Then we can say, as we close yet other areas in 2019, that yes we consulted and hardly anyone cared to write in or protest or show they remotely valued their prized fishing tradition

Perfect - we accomplished the goal to chip away and slowly close one recreational fishery after another. Soon we will have both coasts of Canada managed in a consistent way.

Awesome.

 

[california]

Holy crap. My daughter will NEVER succumb to your expectations she take on "traditional" roles. She will take on whatever challenges she wants and not be kept barefoot and pregnant.
Christian religious fundamentals? Like the priests who rape children, the bigotry and hatred of southern baptists. Give me a break. The only reason we are not in the situation Muslim countries are is because of rejection of the church in our govt institutions and separation of church and state in western society.

 

[tubber]

Come on Floater. There is a fair amount of rubbish in that post. Not looking for an argument on here. Sorry you've decided to sell the boat. Lots of fish in Lake Ontario, and Doug Ford could use your help.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Canada once had a wonderful iconic tradition called recreational fishing. Families passed on the tradition through annual excursions to sacred places where new adventures and family lore were born anew each season. Techniques and special fishing tips were passed down from generation to generation. Traditional knowledge that would form the back bone of our Canadian social fabric - a way of life passed down to the youth.

Sadly however, the Canadian social fabric that formed recreational fishing began to be eroded away when successive generations of city dwellers became slowly detached from Canada’s natural beauty and the iconic values of this great tradition. Slowly too, politicians swayed by social media and the lure of votes began to devalue the recreational fishery by siding with those who called for a complete ban of all recreational fishing because they had been influenced to believe it was bad for the environment, bad as it clearly harvested many Salmon precious to endangered killer whales.

Faced with tough political decisions those same politicians felt they had to take action to show their potential supporters that they too understood the great damage Recreational fishing caused. Despite knowing the facts, seeing the science- that the problems weren’t really caused by the recreational fishery they of course had no choice.

Alas, a compromise. Let’s close vast portions of areas to recreational fishing ! Yes there was no science to support it, but the recreational fishers are an easy group to push. They easily fight amongst themselves and seldom agree on anything. This would be the path of least resistance! A viable solution was born. A clean get away. We will consult them, keep them very busy so they can’t have time to organize any resistance. We will waive trinkets in front of them to distract - as they are so easily lured off course.

Then once we have one Area Closure in place, we will wait until they are off enjoying what little fishing opportunities are available and then we will offer up a new “consultation” process with a 3 week deadline in the middle of their highly prized fishing season. Yes, they will be easily distracted. No one will see it coming.

Then we can say, as we close yet other areas in 2019, that yes we consulted and hardly anyone cared to write in or protest or show they remotely valued their prized fishing tradition

Perfect - we accomplished the goal to chip away and slowly close one recreational fishery after another. Soon we will have both coasts of Canada managed in a consistent way.

Awesome.

Horgan is handing over the fish farm management over to first nations, Hopefully he does not hand over our fishery too...

Don't expect to kill seals while we have the three green lunatics in charge.

 

[Floater]

Holy crap. My daughter will NEVER succumb to your expectations she take on "traditional" roles. She will take on whatever challenges she wants and not be kept barefoot and pregnant.
Christian religious fundamentals? Like the priests who rape children, the bigotry and hatred of southern baptists. Give me a break. The only reason we are not in the situation Muslim countries are is because of rejection of the church in our govt institutions and separation of church and state in western society.

I’m trying not to engage with people who take statements like mine and twist it to the extreme to try and invalidate the point. That tactic is dry dude.

I don’t want that of your daughter either.

 

[searun]

Pretty sad to see our fishing tradition eroded away and tossed under the bus. The. End. is near unless people stand up for their values.

 

[halimark]

The writing is on the wall everywhere, I think its is both Lib and NDP's plan to have FN have soul rights to all fish and game in Canada with few exceptions in a few years, public opinion, votes, $$$$ and current Canadian support amplifies my opinion. Any body been "up North" lately. FN signed of on mines but EVERY contract for said mines are ONLY FN companies. That smells bad to me.

Don't get me wrong I will still fish and hunt until I physically can't, just won't be in Canada as much, there are many places we are still appreciated and our conservation effort is understood. Look at Namibia.

HM

 

[scott craven]

Pretty sad to see our fishing tradition eroded away and tossed under the bus. The. End. is near unless people stand up for their values.

The way I see it, there is no viable means to counter it.
Protest ? vote in a different Gov't ? stomp your feet and pound your fists ?
The only way is to have all user groups on the same page with large scale
assistance from the Gov't to clean up habitat and start programs of re-population.
Without it, we will all keep fighting each other till the last salmon is gone.

 

[Fishalot]

Canada once had a wonderful iconic tradition called recreational fishing. Families passed on the tradition through annual excursions to sacred places where new adventures and family lore were born anew each season. Techniques and special fishing tips were passed down from generation to generation. Traditional knowledge that would form the back bone of our Canadian social fabric - a way of life passed down to the youth.

Sadly however, the Canadian social fabric that formed recreational fishing began to be eroded away when successive generations of city dwellers became slowly detached from Canada’s natural beauty and the iconic values of this great tradition. Slowly too, politicians swayed by social media and the lure of votes began to devalue the recreational fishery by siding with those who called for a complete ban of all recreational fishing because they had been influenced to believe it was bad for the environment, bad as it clearly harvested many Salmon precious to endangered killer whales.

Faced with tough political decisions those same politicians felt they had to take action to show their potential supporters that they too understood the great damage Recreational fishing caused. Despite knowing the facts, seeing the science- that the problems weren’t really caused by the recreational fishery they of course had no choice.

Alas, a compromise. Let’s close vast portions of areas to recreational fishing ! Yes there was no science to support it, but the recreational fishers are an easy group to push. They easily fight amongst themselves and seldom agree on anything. This would be the path of least resistance! A viable solution was born. A clean get away. We will consult them, keep them very busy so they can’t have time to organize any resistance. We will waive trinkets in front of them to distract - as they are so easily lured off course.

Then once we have one Area Closure in place, we will wait until they are off enjoying what little fishing opportunities are available and then we will offer up a new “consultation” process with a 3 week deadline in the middle of their highly prized fishing season. Yes, they will be easily distracted. No one will see it coming.

Then we can say, as we close yet other areas in 2019, that yes we consulted and hardly anyone cared to write in or protest or show they remotely valued their prized fishing tradition

Perfect - we accomplished the goal to chip away and slowly close one recreational fishery after another. Soon we will have both coasts of Canada managed in a consistent way.

Awesome.

 

[SpringVelocity]

It would be fair to say that your arguments and opinion on this has been made loud and clear. One cannot deny the energy and tenacity displayed in putting your position forward. What about using some of this energy to bring about some positive changes by working with others in lobbying DFO to modify their current direction against the rec sector?

Christopher I always have been supportive of everything Sviac has done from beginning. This time though we need a change. You guys look at the 20ft view. This is how I viewed things a year ago until I got involved with other fisheries in other areas. I now look at the 10k view looking at all of BC. That's why I moved all of my support to SFI. It's nothing against you guys but having whale watchers essentially fund the organization worries me a bit. I still do believe that forage areas if that's what they are should be free from traffic. Where you guys stepped into it was trying to silence anyone that mentioned the whale watchers or why they were allowed in there. It's like we couldn't say anything about them and not get jumped on. That to me just didn't feel right as an area angler. Anyways I said what I said and will leave it for now but it isn't just me that feels that way. Please listen to the guys in your area. Especially the guys in Area 18 in the Pender area. They don't even have a fishery. We shouldn't be silencing any of them for speaking their mind.

 

[ziggy]

The way I see it, there is no viable means to counter it.
Protest ? vote in a different Gov't ? stomp your feet and pound your fists ?
The only way is to have all user groups on the same page with large scale
assistance from the Gov't to clean up habitat and start programs of re-population.
Without it, we will all keep fighting each other till the last salmon is gone.

Lot of things you say I agree with. I do believe though that letting politicians know why they won’t be getting your vote is important. We tend to ditch a government because it’s not meeting our expectations, but often never articulate to that government what they are. We vote in a new government based on the fact that they might do things differently, strictly because they are a different party! But we never attend their candidates town halls and demand to know what their plan is for issues that affect us. Groups that get their attention get things done!

I wrote to the Minister, my MP and my MLA, so far none has answered,so in my next round, after giving them some time, I will again write to tell them I can no longer support their Party in the case of the Minister and why, and in the case of my MP and MLA why they lost my vote (and as many people around me as I can influence),and why. Just one guy and easy to ignore in the flood of correspondence they get daily, but if everyone does it, it gains traction and gets noticed!

Most politicians hold reelection as their main goal. If you tell them they are losing your vote they take notice! Don’t be afraid to write them and don’t be afraid to demand an answer if they initially fail to reply. Staffers will try and insulate them from angry electorate, but at a certain point have to let them know they have an issue. We need as individuals and organizations need to get them to that point.