Conservation and Collaboration By Bob Hooton

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Well the questions in my mind - and many others - are what tools do we have that might be effective in reducing impacts and support rebuilding? Is SARA an effective tool? I think wrt IFS stocks that last question has unfortunately already been answered and discussed at length on other threads. So what are the most effective & timely options moving forward is the question I would pose...
 
Too many spawners are getting yanked out of the river on their way upstream. There is damn little commercial fishing anymore. The other guys won't stop fishing. There are no timely options IMO.
 
Well the questions in my mind - and many others - are what tools do we have that might be effective in reducing impacts and support rebuilding? Is SARA an effective tool? I think wrt IFS stocks that last question has unfortunately already been answered and discussed at length on other threads. So what are the most effective & timely options moving forward is the question I would pose...
From blog, Will we hatchery our way out? How much can we produce and for how long to feed gill nets and pinnipeds? How many conservation hatcheries would be needed to sustain all those other endangered Fraser salmon stocks? At last count I believe it was 13 of the 14 upper Fraser chinook stocks that had been so classified. How about all those others that haven’t ever been assessed and are highly likely to be completely off the conservation radar just like the four other non-Thompson and Chilcotin IFS stocks?
 
Well the questions in my mind - and many others - are what tools do we have that might be effective in reducing impacts and support rebuilding? Is SARA an effective tool? I think wrt IFS stocks that last question has unfortunately already been answered and discussed at length on other threads. So what are the most effective & timely options moving forward is the question I would pose...

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Maybe I am thick in the head and am missing something obvious but here is how it looks to me

The ocean conditions suck, nothing we or our govts can do
Other nations have filled the north pacific with salmonids, nothing we or our govts can do
Other nations are likely high seas drift net fishing, nothing we or our govts can do
Predators such as pinnepeds are likely impacting juvenile out migration, not politically acceptable to do anything large scale at this time
Water licenses are pulling out large amounts of water, govt unlikely to reduce access to farmers and such as we need the food
Hatchery production, expensive and controversial, hard to get $ or buy in, the govt won't throw big $'s here
Climate change, as in forest fires in summer, low water flows in summer/fall, and flood events made worse by lack of trees. Canada is a small player and anything we do or don't do won't have any significant impact.

So that gets us to the only areas that govt has any degree of input

interception fisheries of Fraser bound stocks which include steelhead. This is divided into two areas, commercial and FN.

Commercial fisheries have largely been curtailed, not really by DFO but because of a lack of chum salmon
And FN fisheries are protected by the courts, charter, politicians etc etc so there is no political will to step on toes

And just to top things off

Steelhead are of zero economic value to commercial fisherman, have no value commercially, ceremonially or culturally to FN, and even with recreational fisherman, steelhead angling is but a tiny subset of the group.



 
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I’d say that was a pretty good summary of where things are today, onefish... I’m thinking at this point the situation with the IFS might have passed the point of no returun, with or without a SARA listing. But just the attempt to get such a listing turns those fish into the canaries in the coal mine. The scrutiny they will receive due to just the act of attempting to get them listed might serve to also sound an early alarm for the SKeena steelhead and might, just might, serve to get Provincial managers off their fat arses to do something dramatic up there before the Skeena returns follows the same downward spiral as the THompson, Chilcotin, Stein and Nahatlatch.

At least now people are talking about how much damage the FN in-river gill nets have done to these stocks and will continue to do if something is not done about it, whether it‘s compensating them for the value of the fish they can no longer catch or steering them towards alternate ways of harvesting sockeye and chum while leaving the steelhead alone (fish traps etc)

It’s a sad and jarring piece of data to read the FN on the Skeena this past Fall reported 1,900 gill-net caught steelhead. Take that reported quantity of dead steelhead and turn it into a percent of the 5,400 fish the Tyee Test Fishery projected would be spawning in the entire Skeena system (after the 5% mortality rate of guide catch and release fishery)

That paints a very bleak picture for the total number of 2021 up-river spawners in what is a huge river system.

Even that has to get the attention of FN “managers” .

Meanwhile, we’re talking about a resource that is a significant revenue generator. It’s estimated the freshwater rec fisheries add CAN$ 450 M to the BC economy....you can bet the Skeena steelhead represent a sizable chunk of that revenue

Hopefully history will show that the IFS were not extirpated in vain.
 
I'm pretty sure this news has been posted before on other threads - but I wouldn't hold my breath for SARA even to be evoked on the four other non-Thompson and Chilcotin IFS stocks - as it has already been tried on Chilcotin & Thompson, and no go:



No other steelhead stocks are currently listed in the COSEWIC/SARA process. Maybe Chinook, tho.
 
Maybe I am thick in the head and am missing something obvious but here is how it looks to me

The ocean conditions suck, nothing we or our govts can do
Other nations have filled the north pacific with salmonids, nothing we or our govts can do
Other nations are likely high seas drift net fishing, nothing we or our govts can do
Predators such as pinnepeds are likely impacting juvenile out migration, not politically acceptable to do anything large scale at this time
Water licenses are pulling out large amounts of water, govt unlikely to reduce access to farmers and such as we need the food
Hatchery production, expensive and controversial, hard to get $ or buy in, the govt won't throw big $'s here
Climate change, as in forest fires in summer, low water flows in summer/fall, and flood events made worse by lack of trees. Canada is a small player and anything we do or don't do won't have any significant impact.

So that gets us to the only areas that govt has any degree of input

interception fisheries of Fraser bound stocks which include steelhead. This is divided into two areas, commercial and FN.

Commercial fisheries have largely been curtailed, not really by DFO but because of a lack of chum salmon
And FN fisheries are protected by the courts, charter, politicians etc etc so there is no political will to step on toes

And just to top things off

Steelhead are of zero economic value to commercial fisherman, have no value commercially, ceremonially or culturally to FN, and even with recreational fisherman, steelhead angling is but a tiny subset of the group.




Agree with all you wrote except the very last paragraph, as our neighbors to the south in Washington state are set to farm steelhead,

(Can't be true we are told by am that bc is only jurisdiction on west coast of north America to farm salmon)
 
I'm pretty sure this news has been posted before on other threads - but I wouldn't hold my breath for SARA even to be evoked on the four other non-Thompson and Chilcotin IFS stocks - as it has already been tried on Chilcotin & Thompson, and no go:



No other steelhead stocks are currently listed in the COSEWIC/SARA process. Maybe Chinook, tho.
They have been recommended a second time and since the first recommendation and second ,the populations have plunged even lower.
 
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