Coho regs .

[scott craven]

So am I reading correctly that you would agree to be forced to keep the first 2 legal sized coho you land? Your by yourself and catch a 3 and 4 pounder...your done?

I see nothing wrong with shaking off a few smaller fish, however as some have reported on the Sooke thread
when you are sifting through 40+ wild fish in search of a hatch, theres a problem.
The shear numbers of wild fish should indicate to all involved that the regulation is flawed.

 

[combover]

like all the misinformation dfo releases there numbers are fabricated. 95% sounds good even though theres no way to prove it(in the wild), 88/12 sounds good and you've caught your quota even though no one can prove it. bad science, guess work,catering to special interest groups nothing surprises me when it comes to the clowns in charge except when they screw us and pat the selves on the back.

we went 20 wild and 1 one hatch on Saturday. 10 to 1 0n Wednesday . i am confident in our releases but thats alot of stress for these fish to endure.

 

[Deewar25]

Perhaps the problem is the ability of DFO to truly relate to the situation. How about we tie a rope around the minister and force him to run away from a group of 5 of us trying to pull him in on the other end of the rope. He must try as hard as possible to get away from us. Do this for 5 minutes. After that, we put him in a barrel, knock it over, and roll him down to the bottom of a hill (to reflect the thrashing once netted). Then we let him go and send Mike Tyson chasing after him (to properly reflect a seal looking for an easy target after getting tired from a fight). If he escapes, he lives another day, if not, well, we all saw the Hangover right?

Now thats true science that maybe even they could respect if that was what they based the testing on!

 

[Lipripper]

Perhaps the problem is the ability of DFO to truly relate to the situation. How about we tie a rope around the minister and force him to run away from a group of 5 of us trying to pull him in on the other end of the rope. He must try as hard as possible to get away from us. Do this for 5 minutes. After that, we put him in a barrel, knock it over, and roll him down to the bottom of a hill (to reflect the thrashing once netted). Then we let him go and send Mike Tyson chasing after him (to properly reflect a seal looking for an easy target after getting tired from a fight). If he escapes, he lives another day, if not, well, we all saw the Hangover right?

Now thats true science that maybe even they could respect if that was what they based the testing on!

LMAO.... That's pretty funny!

 

[Fish Assassin]

Coho and Halibut should be just like Chinook and Lings on your license... So many per year. For Coho it would save anyone from having to clip them. It would save us from releaseing them over and over. 8 Coho and 4 Hali per license per year..IMO How many of us have 2 or more members in our families with licences? How many fish does one family need?

 

[FishBC.org]

Coho and Halibut should be just like Chinook and Lings on your license... So many per year. For Coho it would save anyone from having to clip them. It would save us from releaseing them over and over. 8 Coho and 4 Hali per license per year..IMO How many of us have 2 or more members in our families with licences? How many fish does one family need?

I completely agree and would buy stamps for each. This seems feasible FA and much simpler than anything currently in place. I don't even want to get into the discussion of accidental gill hooked Coho that made eagle feed because I was not allowed to keep. I highly doubt DFO estimates of 95% are even close. To me it's a tragic waste, and as far as I am concerned the eagle could have caught it's own. There is not much you can do with a successful release when that happens, and at least I wouldn't have to feel guilt if I could eat it. Of course I was completely legal, and running a single barbless but the one who didn't make it was super eager, and swallowed far to deep with a clear gill / throat hook and the blood gave it away. Did the best I could for the bugger, yet he floated. Not for long, but still thought about the fish for the whole day thinking how wrong something is with the system.

 

[searun]

I see nothing wrong with shaking off a few smaller fish, however as some have reported on the Sooke thread
when you are sifting through 40+ wild fish in search of a hatch, theres a problem.
The shear numbers of wild fish should indicate to all involved that the regulation is flawed.

Roger that, precisely what I see as a problem with the current regs. We can all stand around and extol the virtues of sport, catch and release, and pat ourselves on the back about being real good guys...but, there are many folks out there who are only getting out once in a season and when they do, they would like to catch their legal share of fish. In those instances, they will keep going until they get em. As a guide you can preach all you want about conservation etc. etc....but your client is the boss and unless they are asking to do something illegal or otherwise my suspicion is regardless of what you might post here...you will do what it takes to make the guest happy.

 

[Hoochiebob]

stamps and annual quotas for each species just sounds too easy and too feasible. Do you know how many bureaucratic white-collars would lose their job in DFO if it were that easy?
C'mon guys, have a heart for the overpaid fatcats, they're more important than fish (and just as smart, apparently)

 

[Dave S]

I also think that an annual limit for halibut and coho is a great way to protect the species and give us our "fair" share of the fish. I like the 4 hali and 8 coho numbers.

 

[IronNoggin]

I also think that an annual limit for halibut and coho is a great way to protect the species and give us our "fair" share of the fish. I like the 4 hali and 8 coho numbers.

Be DAMN Careful what you wish for!

My Family eats a LOT more halibut and coho that that over the winter. I might buy in at say... 10 to 12 halibut, and 30 coho...

Cheers,
Nog

 

[GLG]

Limits on Halibut??? So we can ship 80% of our Canadian TAC to foreign commercial markets.
Guys stop and think about this. Why should I have to stop fishing when there is more than enough for all Canadians.
GLG

 

[seagal]

Limits on Halibut??? So we can ship 80% of our Canadian TAC to foreign commercial markets.
Guys stop and think about this. Why should I have to stop fishing when there is more than enough for all Canadians.
GLG

Well said! Don't forget this is our right as Canadian citizens. DFO is taking your rights away by closing the halibut fishery to the sports sector. This isn't about numbers, its about equal rights period. I'm not buying in.

 

[FishBC.org]

I agree on the coho tags. Halibut IronNoggin, and GLG, Seagal are correct in my opinion. If another country wants halibut they should be transplanting or farm raising or eating crappy turbot. . I don't see a shortage of coho either after fishing almost straight for months. I see a shortage of "clipped" coho. If the wild stocks are doing so well, or the hatchery's are no longer clipping, to have a clipped coho only season is BS to me.

 

[Fish Assassin]

Why limit any fish then....Kill them all.

 

[seagal]

I agree on the coho tags. Halibut IronNoggin, and GLG, Seagal are correct in my opinion. If another country wants halibut they should be transplanting or farm raising or eating crappy turbot. . I don't see a shortage of coho either after fishing almost straight for months. I see a shortage of "clipped" coho. If the wild stocks are doing so well, or the hatchery's are no longer clipping, to have a clipped coho only season is BS to me.

Ya I agree on an annual coho limit. I'm curious if anyone knows what the ratio of US coho to Canadian coho is off west coast VI. I find it hard to believe that all those fish we were catching June, July, and August were ours. Our rivers don't show it.

 

[GLG]

Back in the 70's it was 8 springs a day but I'm not willing to do this now as the numbers are not there.
Getting a bit off topic so lets get back.
Last I heard BC clips 10% of the coho, it could be less now, not sure.
Back in the day the program was to clip and put a pin in the head to recover data for science.
Now some pencil pushers say's you can only keep hatchery coho that are clipped.
That would be one in ten hatchery fish for recreational fishermen.
The question would be who gets the other nine out of ten hatchery fish.
Wait a minute didn't we pay our tax's to help support the DFO hatchery.
Are we really supporting some other sectors???
GLG

 

[FishBC.org]

Ya I agree on an annual coho limit. I'm curious if anyone knows what the ratio of US coho to Canadian coho is off west coast VI. I find it hard to believe that all those fish we were catching June, July, and August were ours. Our rivers don't show it.

There's still some monster coho out there eager to hit a fast troll on bait.
Had two great big buggers last week. It's hard to say where they're going.

 

[Fish Assassin]

Back in the 70's it was 8 springs a day but I'm not willing to do this now as the numbers are not there.
Getting a bit off topic so lets get back.
Last I heard BC clips 10% of the coho, it could be less now, not sure.
Back in the day the program was to clip and put a pin in the head to recover data for science.
Now some pencil pushers say's you can only keep hatchery coho that are clipped.
That would be one in ten hatchery fish for recreational fishermen.
The question would be who gets the other nine out of ten hatchery fish.
Wait a minute didn't we pay our tax's to help support the DFO hatchery.
Are we really supporting some other sectors???
GLG

So why clip at all then....Lets start killing with a limit or with out a limit....Then them pricks @ the Oyster River Hatchery would have to clip thier fish and ask we stop killing clipped fish.

Why have a limit at all? Just joking...

 

[IronNoggin]

... The question would be who gets the other nine out of ten hatchery fish. [/QUOT]

Well GLG, I can inform you that here, Robertson Creek Hatchery (Stamp) those that are determined to be hatchery production are called "ESSR" fish which are Bonked, put in totes, and handed to the local FN's... Gratis that is.

There have been such a large number falling into this category, that in their "wisdom" coho production at this facility is being CUT quite dramatically as a consequence. Seems the clones are not being caught fast enough, so they are going to do away with a large component of them. Ensures even less fish for the Recreational Sector to target on out there...

Brought to you once again by the "Problem? What Problem?" Crew...

Nog

 

[Theb55]

Another piece of the puzzle. It appears the adipose fin is a major sensing organ for salmon. Information about it's surroundings is picked up by that organ. With the adipose removed, the chances of a fish returning to it's birth/release river are significantly decreased. That could be a major reason why so many clipped fish fail to return.