Climate: LNG in B.C. vs Alberta tarsands
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GLG
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You and your side truly have no idea what this means do you.
How typical......
OldBlackDog
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GLG
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Just another "making stuff up" post from you OBD?
Why don't you check his claim?
Waiting for me to do your homework again?
Lets have a look at his chart....
Well there you go the Arctic Sea ice is back to normal..... November shows we are out of the woods and climate change is a hoax.... or so you and "steve" would like us to believe. Pity there is such intellectual disability on "steves" climate denial blog.
Lets see what the real science looks like.....
Does that look like things are back to normal? Normal would have that 2014 Black line above the 1979-2000 average... but that would not help with the fantasy that your side want's to tell.
GLG
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Why yes I might just be.... because I know the difference between a positive number and a negative number. Tol seems to not get that as this article on his paper about the effects of climate change.....
http://retractionwatch.com/2014/05/...ange-paper-showing-gains-from-global-warming/
Perhaps his next (third) attempt may get it right
Little history on his first attempt
http://retractionwatch.com/2012/07/...imate-change-paper-after-authors-refuse-most/
Perhaps if he was not such a climate change denier and followed the evidence he might get things right..... but then what would you expect from a non-science kind of guy.
GLG
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Is that how you respond to a challenge?
Again.....
"Perhaps you could tell us what the math adds up to for the global sea level in 100 years. Give us the math with your side and give us the math on my side. Let's see what you got..... You claim to know more then me so time to put up.'
What's wrong??? are you not up for the challenge?
If you're not up for it just say so because your other comments are unbecoming of someone of your stature in the community.
GLG
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Small world isn't when the echo on the climate denial blog you like to read.
this no frakking con . files . wordpress . con website sure sounds sciencey doesn't it.
Climate skepticism is free speech. Alternative points-of-view deserve to be heard.
This blog began as working notes for my book, The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert.
What started as a list of reasons to remain calm, cool, and collected in the face of hype and hysteria morphed into a rather different project – an exposé of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
This organization performs one of the most important jobs in the world. It surveys climate research and writes a report about what it all means. That report, informally known as the Climate Bible, is cited by governments around the world. It is the reason trillions of dollars are being spent on climate change measures.
Yet, until now, the IPCC has received almost no serious media scrutiny. The only previous book about this organization was written by the man who served as its chairman for the first 11 years.
Have you read her book? seems others have ... lets see what they say.....
http://www.amazon.com/Delinquent-Te...VB8Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318623567&sr=8-1
"Blooming brilliant. Devastating" - Matt Ridley, author of The Rational Optimist
"...shines a hard light on the rotten heart of the IPCC" - Richard Tol, Professor of the Economics of Climate Change and convening lead author of the IPCC
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]"...you need to read this book. Its implications are far-reaching and the need to begin acting on them is urgent." - [/FONT]Ross McKitrick, Professor of Economics, University of Guelph
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Looks like peas in a pod and I'm sure there is no reason they should not back each other up.... LOL .... Is that an echo I hear coming from your side......
Buy the book it's on sale for -7.11 (opps I just did a Tol)[/FONT]
OldBlackDog
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OldBlackDog
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Again, you have difficulty getting the message.
Yours is not a challenge, as it is a might be. Might not be as well.
Again, your side is not doing well on your projections of the future.
Lets see if the world ends in the next two days shall we?
I will look up,some more things your side projects will happen for you to address.
Yours is not a challenge, as it is a might be. Might not be as well.
Again, your side is not doing well on your projections of the future.
Lets see if the world ends in the next two days shall we?
I will look up,some more things your side projects will happen for you to address.
OldBlackDog
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We have thus shown
Strong correlation between solar activity and climate over the past 11,000 years of the Holocene
Strong lack of correlation between CO2 and climate over the past 11,000 years of the Holocene
Solar activity explains all 6 well-known warming periods that have occurred during the Holocene, including the current warm period
The 20th century peak in sunspot activity is associated with a 40 year lag in the peak global temperature
Strong correlation between solar activity and climate over the past 11,000 years of the Holocene
Strong lack of correlation between CO2 and climate over the past 11,000 years of the Holocene
Solar activity explains all 6 well-known warming periods that have occurred during the Holocene, including the current warm period
The 20th century peak in sunspot activity is associated with a 40 year lag in the peak global temperature
GLG
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I don't have to his peers have smacked him down already. That's the problem with your side.... they put out crap and when the world reads it... it turns to muss and you get smacked down.... They do it .. you do it makes no difference. If this was not so serious I would just let you live in your conspiracy world and politely nod and think to myself my own thoughts. The problem is your world is affecting mine and my family. I'm not going to be the one that has to answer to future generations why I sat there and did nothing. We have a moral obligation to leave this world a better place then we found it. Not like your sides idea that the size of the wallet is the mark of a man.
OldBlackDog
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You go hard, you are in Canada and are allowed your opinion.
However, you have to allow other people theirs.
You decided that your way was the only way as a few others here did.
They like you think no one else is allowed an opinion or is right about anything on this subject.
Well, as you and others here said the arguments are over and man made global warming is a fact due to man made co2 then you all have to defend your opinion.
You also said that the IPCC is correct about everything, so you have to defend that also.
You said scientists are the only ones correct, yet you are not defending the one who said the world is ending?
So if the world does not stop in the next few days as your scientist says, then please tell us why.
As you do not have a phd in global science, then you will have to get articles that show your arguments from a source that does, your rule!
I will try to do so, however those are not my rules.
By the way, you have no ideal what i think about or believe in.
You assume and you know what assume means.
By the way, your group as you call them put out more crap than anyone.
Still waiting for your defence of the world is ending. She is one of you!
However, you have to allow other people theirs.
You decided that your way was the only way as a few others here did.
They like you think no one else is allowed an opinion or is right about anything on this subject.
Well, as you and others here said the arguments are over and man made global warming is a fact due to man made co2 then you all have to defend your opinion.
You also said that the IPCC is correct about everything, so you have to defend that also.
You said scientists are the only ones correct, yet you are not defending the one who said the world is ending?
So if the world does not stop in the next few days as your scientist says, then please tell us why.
As you do not have a phd in global science, then you will have to get articles that show your arguments from a source that does, your rule!
I will try to do so, however those are not my rules.
By the way, you have no ideal what i think about or believe in.
You assume and you know what assume means.
By the way, your group as you call them put out more crap than anyone.
Still waiting for your defence of the world is ending. She is one of you!
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OldBlackDog
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If the world does not stop in 2 days, then you can explain the following predictions for Al Gore.
Dont forget now, all science, no mabeys.
And if you are able to do this dont forget to tell us why we have not died?
Perhaps nowhere have the alarmists’ predictions been proven as wrong as at the Earth’s poles. In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, the high priest for a movement described by critics as the “climate cult,” publicly warned that the North Pole would be “ice-free” in the summer by around 2013 because of alleged “man-made global warming.”
Speaking to an audience in Germany five years ago, Gore — sometimes ridiculed as “The Goracle” — alleged that “the entire North Polarized [sic] cap will disappear in five years.” “Five years,” Gore said again, in case anybody missed it the first time, is “the period of time during which it is now expected to disappear.”
The following year, Gore made similar claims at a UN “climate” summit in Copenhagen. “Some of the models … suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore claimed in 2009. “We will find out.”
Yes, we have found out. Contrary to the predictions by Gore and fellow alarmists, satellite data showed that Arctic ice volume as of summer of 2013 had actually expanded more than 50 percent over 2012 levels. In fact, during October 2013, sea-ice levels grew at the fastest pace since records began in 1979. Many experts now predict the ongoing expansion of Arctic ice to continue in the years to come, leaving global-warming alarmists scrambling for explanations to save face — and to revive the rapidly melting climate hysteria.
Gore, though, was hardly alone in making the ridiculous and now thoroughly discredited predictions about Arctic ice. Citing climate experts, the British government-funded BBC, for example, also hyped the mass hysteria, running a now-embarrassing article on December 12, 2007, under the headline: “Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’.” In that piece, which was still online as of July 2014, the BBC highlighted alleged “modeling studies” that supposedly “indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.” Incredibly, some of the supposed “experts” even claimed it could happen before then, citing calculations performed by “super computers” that the BBC noted have “become a standard part of climate science in recent years.”
“Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007,” claimed Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, described as a researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School who was working with co-workers at NASA to come up with the now-thoroughly discredited forecasts about polar ice. “So given that fact, you can argue that may be [sic] our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.” (Emphasis added.) Other “experts” quoted in the BBC article agreed with the hysteria.
In the real world, however, the scientific evidence demolishing the global-warming theories advanced by Gore, the UN, and government-funded “climate scientists” continues to grow, along with the ice cover in both hemispheres. In the Arctic, for example, data collected by Europe’s Cryosat spacecraft pointed to about 9,000 cubic kilometers of ice volume at the end of the 2013 melt season. In 2012, which was admittedly a low year, the total volume was about 6,000 cubic kilometers.
Indeed, in 2007, when Gore and others started making their predictions about imminent “ice-free” Arctic summers, the average sea-ice area extent after the summer melt for the month of September was 4.28 million square kilometers. By 2013, even on September 13, the minimum ice-cover day for the whole year, ice levels were way above the 2007 average for the month — by an area almost the size of California. The lowest level recorded on a single day during 2013 was 5.1 million square kilometers. By late July 2014, Arctic sea-ice extent was almost at its highest level in a decade, and scientists expect even less melting this summer than last year.
Despite parroting the wild claims five years ago, the establishment press has, unsurprisingly, refused to report that Gore and his fellow alarmists were proven embarrassingly wrong. No apologies from Gore have been forthcoming, either, and none of the “scientists” who made the ridiculous predictions quoted by the BBC has apologized or lost his taxpayer-funded job. In fact, almost unbelievably, the establishment press is now parroting new claims from the same discredited “experts” suggesting that the Arctic will be “ice-free” by 2016.
Dont forget now, all science, no mabeys.
And if you are able to do this dont forget to tell us why we have not died?
Perhaps nowhere have the alarmists’ predictions been proven as wrong as at the Earth’s poles. In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, the high priest for a movement described by critics as the “climate cult,” publicly warned that the North Pole would be “ice-free” in the summer by around 2013 because of alleged “man-made global warming.”
Speaking to an audience in Germany five years ago, Gore — sometimes ridiculed as “The Goracle” — alleged that “the entire North Polarized [sic] cap will disappear in five years.” “Five years,” Gore said again, in case anybody missed it the first time, is “the period of time during which it is now expected to disappear.”
The following year, Gore made similar claims at a UN “climate” summit in Copenhagen. “Some of the models … suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore claimed in 2009. “We will find out.”
Yes, we have found out. Contrary to the predictions by Gore and fellow alarmists, satellite data showed that Arctic ice volume as of summer of 2013 had actually expanded more than 50 percent over 2012 levels. In fact, during October 2013, sea-ice levels grew at the fastest pace since records began in 1979. Many experts now predict the ongoing expansion of Arctic ice to continue in the years to come, leaving global-warming alarmists scrambling for explanations to save face — and to revive the rapidly melting climate hysteria.
Gore, though, was hardly alone in making the ridiculous and now thoroughly discredited predictions about Arctic ice. Citing climate experts, the British government-funded BBC, for example, also hyped the mass hysteria, running a now-embarrassing article on December 12, 2007, under the headline: “Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’.” In that piece, which was still online as of July 2014, the BBC highlighted alleged “modeling studies” that supposedly “indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.” Incredibly, some of the supposed “experts” even claimed it could happen before then, citing calculations performed by “super computers” that the BBC noted have “become a standard part of climate science in recent years.”
“Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007,” claimed Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, described as a researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School who was working with co-workers at NASA to come up with the now-thoroughly discredited forecasts about polar ice. “So given that fact, you can argue that may be [sic] our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.” (Emphasis added.) Other “experts” quoted in the BBC article agreed with the hysteria.
In the real world, however, the scientific evidence demolishing the global-warming theories advanced by Gore, the UN, and government-funded “climate scientists” continues to grow, along with the ice cover in both hemispheres. In the Arctic, for example, data collected by Europe’s Cryosat spacecraft pointed to about 9,000 cubic kilometers of ice volume at the end of the 2013 melt season. In 2012, which was admittedly a low year, the total volume was about 6,000 cubic kilometers.
Indeed, in 2007, when Gore and others started making their predictions about imminent “ice-free” Arctic summers, the average sea-ice area extent after the summer melt for the month of September was 4.28 million square kilometers. By 2013, even on September 13, the minimum ice-cover day for the whole year, ice levels were way above the 2007 average for the month — by an area almost the size of California. The lowest level recorded on a single day during 2013 was 5.1 million square kilometers. By late July 2014, Arctic sea-ice extent was almost at its highest level in a decade, and scientists expect even less melting this summer than last year.
Despite parroting the wild claims five years ago, the establishment press has, unsurprisingly, refused to report that Gore and his fellow alarmists were proven embarrassingly wrong. No apologies from Gore have been forthcoming, either, and none of the “scientists” who made the ridiculous predictions quoted by the BBC has apologized or lost his taxpayer-funded job. In fact, almost unbelievably, the establishment press is now parroting new claims from the same discredited “experts” suggesting that the Arctic will be “ice-free” by 2016.
GLG
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A quote from a denial blog that "thinks" he/she knows what this science paper means. If you took the time to read and understand the abstract you would question the post from him/her. Why is it that we don't know who the author is of this denial website is? Like I said you have no clue what this science paper means and it's clear that you don't know much about science as you won't/can't answer the challenge about sea level... and you want us to believe you are some kind of ???????
OldBlackDog
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I had no problem looking it up.
Have to be quick as the world ends on the 4th.
Have to be quick as the world ends on the 4th.
GLG
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You post junk science from denial blogs and I'll post real science from respected journals or science publications. I'll also post info from newspapers if they explain the science that is easy to understand. I'll continue to post videos that help explain stuff in a visual way as some of this stuff is lost in words and can be expressed visual with better effect. News on climate change is important but your opinion is irrelevant and worse misguided. My opinion (and it's irrelevant) is your side is so effed up that if this was not a serious matter I would be LOL over and over.
I'll look for that post of yours that speaks to the world ending but at this point when you go on about the "world ending" my mind goes numb and I just want to go check the TV for a hockey game......
I never said that the IPCC was perfect..... Tol proved that it is not since he has a problem with plus and minus and some of his data was in it. What I did say was something like this.....
You seem to think that an error in the report make the whole thing wrong (fail). I compared it to a math exam where just because you got one thing wrong and your mark is 99% and that's good enough for a pass.
OldBlackDog
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And on the bright side.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...n-survive-oil-price-volatility/#__federated=1
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...n-survive-oil-price-volatility/#__federated=1
GLG
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Give me a link to the paper not some smuck called Mr/Ms hockey stik.
You seem to be worried that the end is near... You OK?
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