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Again, you really are having a problem with the puntledge river and global warming.

No one said the river did not get warm. I knew that. Saying it had to do with global warming is a joke.

Again , if you want to blame man for the reason it got warm i would agree.

If you want to blame man made global warming, then we do not agree at all.

Again there has been no warming for the last 18 + years.
Your gods the IPPC do not disagree with this. CO2 has risen, yet no warming.
 
Again, you really are having a problem with the puntledge river and global warming.

No one said the river did not get warm. I knew that. Saying it had to do with global warming is a joke.

Again , if you want to blame man for the reason it got warm i would agree.

If you want to blame man made global warming, then we do not agree at all.

Again there has been no warming for the last 18 + years.
Your gods the IPPC do not disagree with this. CO2 has risen, yet no warming.
You should read this....
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/70130.pdf

edit... from the pdf

puntledgetemp1966-1975.png

What kind of temps do we have now? 25, 26 ... no change right... nothing could go wrong right?
 
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High temperatures, low snowmelt, could spell disaster for fish stocks


posted Jul 16, 2014 at 11:00 AM
Salmon fishing in waters off the Comox Valley is outstanding this year, but hot temperatures and dry conditions could mean lower stocks in future years.
“We’re having excellent fishing in our local waters this year,” said Comox Valley Recordoutdoors columnist Ralph Shaw, who is an avid fisherman. But, “I’m also very concerned with the warm weather … the warm water — salmon can’t handle it.
“It just puts the temperature in the water beyond the limits that the fish can reproduce.”
Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s Puntledge River watershed enhancement manager Darcy Miller said if fish aren’t able to spawn or if juveniles die en route to the ocean, salmon stocks in the ocean could decrease in two to five years — as time to mature varies between salmon species.
“It’s not unusual for the Comox Valley to experience warm summers,” said Miller. “But, this summer, because we’ve had such a dry winter, low snow pack, generally most of the systems in our area are going to be negatively impacted by that with long-term effects, (such as) mortality in juvenile fish, and therefore, reduced adult abundance (in future years).”
As of Friday, the temperature in the Puntledge River was 18 degrees Celsius, which is stressful on the fish.
Though warm temperatures are a concern to Miller, he noted temperatures in the Puntledge can get higher.
“It is not uncommon that we reach temperatures of 20 degrees in the Puntledge River in the summer,” he said. “One year we hit 25 degrees — there was a lot of mortality of juvenile fish associated with that,” he said, adding nothing can be done to lower river temperatures.

Water levels are another matter. BC Hydro manages flows in Puntledge River and works with Fisheries and Oceans Canada to ensure water levels are high enough for fish.
Low water flows later in the summer and early-fall are a major concern in terms of spawning fish, said Miller, who notes BC Hydro is conserving water in the Comox Lake reservoir in preparation for spawning time.
“This is shaping up as one of our drier years,” he said, adding the weather forecasts could change from the warm, dry weather of late.”
But, “unless we get precipitation throughout the summer and in early-fall, it’s potentially going to be very tough … We deal with it each year, but this year has started a little bit under the bus.”
According to a July 10 BC Hydro status report, the Comox Lake reservoir is sitting at 134.3 metres, which is 0.7 metres below average for this time of year.
The snow pack was depleted about one month earlier than normal, and inflows to Comox Lake are at historical lows.
Low water levels also mean the chances of a retention fishery this September/October are less likely, and Miller said there is a “strong chance” there will be no retention this year. As well, Miller pointed out other Comox Valley rivers and streams don’t have the flow-control the Puntledge does, nor a hatchery program to assist fish, so fish in those waterways could be more severely impacted by low water conditions than fish in the Puntledge River.
One stress for fish is directly caused by the public, so can be avoided.
"People swimming near fish, around fish, chasing fish in the little pools, that stresses the fish," he said, urging the public to refrain from interfering with fish when using the river for recreation this summer.
On a positive note, Miller points out fish survival depends greatly on the marine environment and marine waters around the Valley are producing healthy fish.
"The fresh water aspect is just one part of what the adult abundance will be a few years down the road," he says.


writer@comoxvalleyrecord.com
 
Really?
You need to read and do your homework.

No dam, no water concerns as the fish would have all the water from the lake they require.
Of course, not hydro.

Again, nothing to do with global warming.





High temperatures, low snowmelt, could spell disaster for fish stocks


posted Jul 16, 2014 at 11:00 AM
Salmon fishing in waters off the Comox Valley is outstanding this year, but hot temperatures and dry conditions could mean lower stocks in future years.
“We’re having excellent fishing in our local waters this year,” said Comox Valley Recordoutdoors columnist Ralph Shaw, who is an avid fisherman. But, “I’m also very concerned with the warm weather … the warm water — salmon can’t handle it.
“It just puts the temperature in the water beyond the limits that the fish can reproduce.”
Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s Puntledge River watershed enhancement manager Darcy Miller said if fish aren’t able to spawn or if juveniles die en route to the ocean, salmon stocks in the ocean could decrease in two to five years — as time to mature varies between salmon species.
“It’s not unusual for the Comox Valley to experience warm summers,” said Miller. “But, this summer, because we’ve had such a dry winter, low snow pack, generally most of the systems in our area are going to be negatively impacted by that with long-term effects, (such as) mortality in juvenile fish, and therefore, reduced adult abundance (in future years).”
As of Friday, the temperature in the Puntledge River was 18 degrees Celsius, which is stressful on the fish.
Though warm temperatures are a concern to Miller, he noted temperatures in the Puntledge can get higher.
“It is not uncommon that we reach temperatures of 20 degrees in the Puntledge River in the summer,” he said. “One year we hit 25 degrees — there was a lot of mortality of juvenile fish associated with that,” he said, adding nothing can be done to lower river temperatures.

Water levels are another matter. BC Hydro manages flows in Puntledge River and works with Fisheries and Oceans Canada to ensure water levels are high enough for fish.
Low water flows later in the summer and early-fall are a major concern in terms of spawning fish, said Miller, who notes BC Hydro is conserving water in the Comox Lake reservoir in preparation for spawning time.
“This is shaping up as one of our drier years,” he said, adding the weather forecasts could change from the warm, dry weather of late.”
But, “unless we get precipitation throughout the summer and in early-fall, it’s potentially going to be very tough … We deal with it each year, but this year has started a little bit under the bus.”
According to a July 10 BC Hydro status report, the Comox Lake reservoir is sitting at 134.3 metres, which is 0.7 metres below average for this time of year.
The snow pack was depleted about one month earlier than normal, and inflows to Comox Lake are at historical lows.
Low water levels also mean the chances of a retention fishery this September/October are less likely, and Miller said there is a “strong chance” there will be no retention this year. As well, Miller pointed out other Comox Valley rivers and streams don’t have the flow-control the Puntledge does, nor a hatchery program to assist fish, so fish in those waterways could be more severely impacted by low water conditions than fish in the Puntledge River.
One stress for fish is directly caused by the public, so can be avoided.
"People swimming near fish, around fish, chasing fish in the little pools, that stresses the fish," he said, urging the public to refrain from interfering with fish when using the river for recreation this summer.
On a positive note, Miller points out fish survival depends greatly on the marine environment and marine waters around the Valley are producing healthy fish.
"The fresh water aspect is just one part of what the adult abundance will be a few years down the road," he says.


writer@comoxvalleyrecord.com
 
Just for your information. When they negotiated the dam on the puntledge fish were not a concern.
They the people who did this, negotiated nothing for ensuring hydro was responsible for fish in the long term.
If they had thought this out then there would have been enough money to solve this.
Sad.
By the way they have known about the deep water pipe for years.
The holdback is the people of the valley who do not want to pay for it.
They will some day for fresh water, but it will have nothing to do with fish.
 
Patrick Moore: We Need More Carbon Dioxide, Not Less

patrickmoore6

Australian politics has been more influenced by the climate debate than any other country. Yet Australia is responsible for only 1.5 per cent of global CO2 emissions. Perhaps this speaks of Australia’s extraordinary commitment to the international community. Yet Australia has threatened to hobble its own economy while much larger *nations take a pass while making pious pronouncements.

I am sceptical that humans are the main cause of climate change, and that it will be catastrophic in the near future. There is no scientific proof of this hypothesis, yet we are told “the debate is over”, the “science is settled”.

My scepticism begins with the warmists’ certainty they can predict the global climate with a computer model. The entire basis for the doomsday climate change scenario is the hypothesis that increased CO2 due to fossil fuel emissions will heat the Earth to unliveable temperatures.

In fact, the Earth has been warming very gradually for 300 years, since the Little Ice Age ended, long before heavy use of fossil fuels. Prior to the Little Ice Age, during the Medieval Warm Period, Vikings colonised Greenland and Newfoundland, when it was warmer there than today. And during Roman times, it was warmer, long before fossil fuels revolutionised civilisation.

Looking back over millennia, today the Earth is colder, and has a lower level of atmospheric CO2 than during nearly all the history of modern life. The idea that it would be catastrophic if CO2 were to increase and average global temperature were to rise a few degrees is preposterous.

Recently, the IPCC announced for the umpteenth time that we are doomed unless we reduce CO2 emissions to zero. *Effectively this means either reducing the population to zero, or going back 10,000 years before humans began clearing forests for agriculture. This proposed cure is worse than adapting to a warmer world, if it comes about.

By its constitution, the IPCC has a hopeless conflict of interest. Its mandate is to consider only the human causes of global warming, not the many natural causes changing the climate for billions of years. We don’t understand the precise workings of the natural causes of climate change any more than we know if humans are part of the cause at present. But if the IPCC did not find that *humans were the cause of warming, or if it found that warming would be more positive than negative, there would be no need for the IPCC under its present mandate. To survive, it must find on the side of the apocalypse. *Either the IPCC should be reconstituted with a larger membership of UN bodies (it is now a partnership between the World Meteorological Organisation and the UN Environment Program), and its mandate expanded to include all causes of climate change, or it should be dismantled.

Climate change has become a powerful political force for many reasons. First, it is universal; we are told everything on Earth is threatened. Second, it invokes the two most powerful human motivators: fear and guilt. We fear driving our car will kill our grandchildren and feel guilty. Third, a powerful convergence of interests among key elites support the climate “narrative”. Environmentalists spread fear and raise donations; politicians appear to be saving the Earth from doom; the media has a field day with sensation and conflict; science institutions raise billions in grants, create whole new departments, and engage in a feeding frenzy of scary scenarios; business wants to look green, and get huge public subsidies for projects that would otherwise be economic losers, such as large wind farms and solar arrays. Fourth, the Left sees climate change as a perfect means to redistribute wealth from industrial countries to the developing world and the UN bureaucracy.

So we are told CO2 is a “toxic” “pollutant” that must be curtailed when in fact it is a colourless, odourless, tasteless, gas present at 400 parts per million of the global atmosphere and the most important food for life on earth. Without CO2 above 150 parts per million, all plants would die.

Over the past 150 million years, CO2 had been drawn down steadily (by plants) from about 3000 parts per million to about 280 parts per million before the industrial revolution. If this trend had continued, CO2 would have become too low to support life on Earth. Human use of fossil fuels and clearing land for crops have boosted CO2 from its lowest level in the history of the Earth back to 400 parts per million today.

At 400 parts per million, all our food crops, forests, and natural ecosystems are still on a starvation diet for CO2. While one wing of CSIRO promotes the IPCC line, another is demonstrating the positive impact of the small increase in CO2 over the past 50 years due primarily to fossil fuel use — a 10 per cent to 30 per cent increase in plant growth in many regions. Australia is benefiting more than most because its vegetation evolved for dry conditions. Increased CO2 means plants don’t need as much water, so our deserts are lusher.

The optimum level of CO2 for plant growth, given enough water and nutrients, is about 1500 parts per million, nearly four times higher than today. Glasshouse growers inject CO2 to increase yields of 50 to 100 per cent. Farms and forests will be much more productive if CO2 keeps rising.

We have no proof increased CO2 is responsible for the slight warming over the past 300 years. There has been no significant warming for 18 years while we have emitted 25 per cent of all the CO2 ever emitted. Yet we have absolute proof CO2 is vital for life on Earth and plants would like more of it. Which should we emphasise to our children?

The IPCC’s followers have given us a vision of a dying world due to CO2 emissions. I say the Earth would be a lot deader with no CO2 and more of it will be a very positive factor in feeding the world. Let’s celebrate CO2.

_________________________________

Patrick Moore was a co-founder, and leader of Greenpeace for 15 years is now an independent ecologist and environmentalist based in Vancouver, Canada. You can follow him on twitter @EcoSenseNow
 
FYI OBD
Puntledge may be closed to fishing due to the increasing temperatures.
That is until global warming reverses or they put in a deep water intake.

These are decisions that we have to make based on evidence not blog posts from the denier team.
You may wish this problem to go away but it's not going to.
You may argue all you want but the time has come for hard choices.
So unless you can prove that water temps are the same as they were in the 60's you're sunk.
Too much is at stake here and without evidence to the contrary expect closure.
 
Patrick Moore: We Need More Carbon Dioxide, Not Less

Undeniable proof that Moore fit's the "there is no fool like an old fool" but I suppose that even Vancouver needs a Village Idiot.....

[g093lhtpEFo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g093lhtpEFo#t=305
 
And that is why he started Greenpeace, because he is a fool?
Really!!

Undeniable proof that Moore fit's the "there is no fool like an old fool" but I suppose that even Vancouver needs a Village Idiot.....

[g093lhtpEFo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g093lhtpEFo#t=305
 
Sea levels have been rising since the last ice age ended more than
10,000 years ago. There is currently no acceleration in sea level
rise.
'Global sea levels have been naturally rising for ~20,000 years and have
decelerated over the past 8,000 years, decelerated over the 20th
century, decelerated 31% since 2002, and decelerated 44% since 2004 to
less than 7 inches per century. There is no evidence of an acceleration
of sea level rise, and therefore no evidence of any effect of mankind on
sea levels.
According to tide gauges, sea Level is rising LESS than the thickness of
one nickel (1.95 mm thick) per year or about the thickness of one penny
(1.52 mm thick) a year. According to satellite info it is rising
slightly more than two pennies a year (3.04
 
Don’t graphs show that current temperatures are the highest in 1,000 years?
Penn State professor and UN IPCC modeler Michael Mann did publish a
hockey stick-shaped graph that purportedly showed an unprecedented
sudden increase in average global temperatures, following ten centuries
of supposedly stable climate. However, Dr. Mann was at the center of the
Climategate scandal. His graph and the data and methodology behind it
have been scrutinized and debunked in peer-reviewed studies by numerous
climate scientists, statisticians, and other experts.
The latest research clearly reveals that the Medieval Warm Period (also
called the Medieval Climate Optimum) has been verified and was in fact
global, not just confined to the Northern Hemisphere. The Center for the
Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change reported in 2009 that “the
Medieval Warm Period was (1) global in extent, (2) at least as warm as,
but likely even warmer than, the Current Warm Period, and (3) of a
duration significantly longer than that of the Current Warm Period to
date.”
The Science and Public Policy Institute reported in May 2009: “More than
700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed
peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period
(MWP) was real, global, and warmer than the present. And the numbers
grow larger daily
 
A few things for your boy.
Seems he needs to answer some scientific questions.


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/31/open-letter-to-kevin-trenberth-ncar/

Who are we going to base decisions and policy with?
Some guy named "Bob" from some climate denial blog or NCAR
The National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) is a federally funded research and development center devoted to service, research and education in the atmospheric and related sciences. NCAR’s mission is to understand the behavior of the atmosphere and related physical, biological and social systems; to support, enhance and extend the capabilities of the university community and the broader scientific community – nationally and internationally; and to foster transfer of knowledge and technology for the betterment of life on Earth. The National Science Foundation is NCAR's primary sponsor, with significant additional support provided by other U.S. government agencies, other national governments and the private sector.
http://ncar.ucar.edu/home
Perhaps "Bob" should submit his questions with NCAR and you could post the answers here...... I'll wait....
 
And that is why he started Greenpeace, because he is a fool?
Really!!

News to me that he started Greenpeace. Care to prove that or are you just "making stuff up" again.
Yup he is a disgrace to this country and province.
 
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