cohochinook
Well-Known Member
I saw a seal this summer in the upper Mamquam killing Chinook. Definitely need a cull!
BCWF Supports Pinniped Harvest
- Thread starter IronNoggin
- Start date
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Ok Ralph, here's your hint: Columbia Basin Bulletin.
Happy Hunting...
Nog
Happy Hunting...
Nog
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Well Folks, since Ralphie decided to apply the laughing emoji, I guess we can figure his opinion regarding the Columbia Basin Bulletin.
Let's have a little boo and what he is poo-pooing shall we:
www.cbbulletin.com
The Columbia Basin Bulletin’s objective is to keep readers fully informed about significant developments related to salmon and steelhead recovery and other important Columbia/Snake River Basin fish and wildlife issues.
For 20 years, the CBB served as a stakeholder information tool supported with Bonneville Power Administration fish and wildlife funds through the Northwest Power and Conservation Council’s Regional Fish and Wildlife Program.
The website offers continuous postings of key news and information about Columbia/Snake River Basin fish and wildlife issues, along with complete Archives reaching back to 1998. The CBB Archives offer the most complete news record and background of Columbia/Snake River Basin salmon recovery and other Basin natural resource issues.
Why anyone would want to utilize such a comprehensive site with such a firm background is beyond some apparently.
They host realms upon realms of scientific studies and the published results thereof, as well as ongoing research / studies and management actions.
If one bothers to look, the number of 2,300 culls to date at or near the Columbia can readily be found, in print, authored by experienced scientists, managers and bone fide media sources that cite these folks.
Cheers,
Nog
Let's have a little boo and what he is poo-pooing shall we:
Home - Columbia Basin Bulletin
Since 1998, the Columbia Basin Bulletin has provided stakeholders with independent, fair & complete reporting on policy, research, and environmental challenges.
www.cbbulletin.com
The Columbia Basin Bulletin’s objective is to keep readers fully informed about significant developments related to salmon and steelhead recovery and other important Columbia/Snake River Basin fish and wildlife issues.
For 20 years, the CBB served as a stakeholder information tool supported with Bonneville Power Administration fish and wildlife funds through the Northwest Power and Conservation Council’s Regional Fish and Wildlife Program.
The website offers continuous postings of key news and information about Columbia/Snake River Basin fish and wildlife issues, along with complete Archives reaching back to 1998. The CBB Archives offer the most complete news record and background of Columbia/Snake River Basin salmon recovery and other Basin natural resource issues.
Why anyone would want to utilize such a comprehensive site with such a firm background is beyond some apparently.
They host realms upon realms of scientific studies and the published results thereof, as well as ongoing research / studies and management actions.
If one bothers to look, the number of 2,300 culls to date at or near the Columbia can readily be found, in print, authored by experienced scientists, managers and bone fide media sources that cite these folks.
Cheers,
Nog
Not going to go into the Harrison netting issue with you as I won't waste my time.
The evidence every fall speaks for itself.
As per " trapping"...any prolonged low water event creates a trap that the majority of salmon/steelhead will stage at the mouth of Vedder, Nicomen, Chehalis etc. You honestly think that the half dozen seals at the mouth of the Vedder don't have an impact on staged steelhead in the spring? You have stated before that you don't spend much time steelheading, yet feel the need to comment about our current situation with lower mainland stocks.
As per no dam hindering migration of salmon or steelhead? What do you call the Stave dam? The seals that patrol there year round dont have an impact?
But I guess it doesn't matter as they are hatchery fish?
As per commenting on the "best returns of Coho, Chinook and steelhead in the province". Thats called hatchery enhancement. What do you expect to happen from one of the biggest hatcheries in the province.
I do however agree with you that we will probably not see a cull in the SOG.
The evidence every fall speaks for itself.
As per " trapping"...any prolonged low water event creates a trap that the majority of salmon/steelhead will stage at the mouth of Vedder, Nicomen, Chehalis etc. You honestly think that the half dozen seals at the mouth of the Vedder don't have an impact on staged steelhead in the spring? You have stated before that you don't spend much time steelheading, yet feel the need to comment about our current situation with lower mainland stocks.
As per no dam hindering migration of salmon or steelhead? What do you call the Stave dam? The seals that patrol there year round dont have an impact?
But I guess it doesn't matter as they are hatchery fish?
As per commenting on the "best returns of Coho, Chinook and steelhead in the province". Thats called hatchery enhancement. What do you expect to happen from one of the biggest hatcheries in the province.
I do however agree with you that we will probably not see a cull in the SOG.
Last edited:
re: a cull in the SOG. Frankly I think if the scientific evidence becomes strong enough so that enough specialists believe it needs to happen - it will happen in some targeted form and not a massive cull that looks to destroy 20,000+ seals in the first year
.
I have lived an fished around year close to 60 years. My guess is throughout that time ask a bunch of anglers about seals and more than 1/2 would tell you seals need to be killed & the more the better. It's nothing new. The current lobbying for a cull has little to do with the current published research about how many coho smolts seals eat and more to do with an old pernicious prejudice and a sense of entitlement on the part of anglers. It boils down to people want to kill seals so they can catch more fish.
.
I have lived an fished around year close to 60 years. My guess is throughout that time ask a bunch of anglers about seals and more than 1/2 would tell you seals need to be killed & the more the better. It's nothing new. The current lobbying for a cull has little to do with the current published research about how many coho smolts seals eat and more to do with an old pernicious prejudice and a sense of entitlement on the part of anglers. It boils down to people want to kill seals so they can catch more fish.
ship happens
Crew Member
Simple. What the fishery worth. Source of food for the world. Part of our economic roots.
What do beef farmers do when the wolves and the bears take their livestock?
It's our livestock.
What do beef farmers do when the wolves and the bears take their livestock?
It's our livestock.
Study says predators may play major role in chinook salmon declines | Encyclopedia of Puget Sound
A new study shows that increased populations of seals and sea lions are eating far more of Puget Sound’s threatened chinook than previously known, potentially hampering recovery efforts for both salmon and endangered killer whales.
www.eopugetsound.org
Nanaimo fur company wants to make coats from West Coast seal cull
Calls for a seal cull are growing louder and a Campbell River man is joining forces with a Vancouver Island fur company.
www.cheknews.ca
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Hell of a LOT of misinformation in the article posted above by AA.
First, Sewid most certainly is NOT the "the founder of the Pacific Balance Pinniped Society."
In fact he was fired with cause by that Board due to his atrocious behavior.
While he may claim to be a "Campbell River First Nations man" that particular FN wants nothing to do with him, and he has been (and still is) residing in the US for years.
The message on the market is reasonably close to reality, but there are much wider options available.
Be nice if CHEK would check the validity of their own statements from time to time...
Nog
First, Sewid most certainly is NOT the "the founder of the Pacific Balance Pinniped Society."
In fact he was fired with cause by that Board due to his atrocious behavior.
While he may claim to be a "Campbell River First Nations man" that particular FN wants nothing to do with him, and he has been (and still is) residing in the US for years.
The message on the market is reasonably close to reality, but there are much wider options available.
Be nice if CHEK would check the validity of their own statements from time to time...
Nog
ILHG
Crew Member
I bought my wife this purse for xmas & she loves it. I also got my daughter a seal skin headband. I am looking forward to buying BC seal skin products
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
The Lower Fraser Fish Alliance (LFFA) and the Fraser Salmon Management Council (FSMC) both have now fully endorsed the PBPS IFMP to harvest pinnipeds to bring their populations back into historical balance. They joined a growing list of FN's doing so, including the Nisga’a (Licenses issued) and the Haida (discussions ongoing). At this rate, it is entirely likely that every single coastal FN will be onboard in the next short while.
And on it goes...
Nog
And on it goes...
Nog
Last edited:
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Putting that last in perspective:
Fraser Salmon Management Council: This is a group that has a mandate to negotiate directly with DFO and is comprised of 75 Nations on the migratory pathways leading into and including the Fraser River. They negotiate at a Tier 1 level. ( Google for full understanding of their powers).
Lower Fraser Fisheries Alliance: 33 Nations, with the main focus of managing Fraser River stocks.
There exists widespread support beyond FN's of course. SFI, BCWF, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, .Amalgamated Conservation Society, UFAWA and many many more.
The groundswell continues to grow...
Cheers,
Nog
Fraser Salmon Management Council: This is a group that has a mandate to negotiate directly with DFO and is comprised of 75 Nations on the migratory pathways leading into and including the Fraser River. They negotiate at a Tier 1 level. ( Google for full understanding of their powers).
Lower Fraser Fisheries Alliance: 33 Nations, with the main focus of managing Fraser River stocks.
There exists widespread support beyond FN's of course. SFI, BCWF, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, .Amalgamated Conservation Society, UFAWA and many many more.
The groundswell continues to grow...
Cheers,
Nog
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
So far the Nishka have harvested 1500 seals and 500 sea lions in the Nass system.
The collection of Fraser FN's (appx 130 Bands) have put DFO on notice: Issue permits and work with them now, or they will proceed unilaterally.
DFO running scared...
On other fronts, DFO is moving ahead issuing harvest permits under FSC.
Jason Knight is their new manager for this mission and was hired by Wilf Ludke (DFO Nanaimo).
The first area to be harvested is the Puntledge and then the Big Qualicum in August.
I would say it is safe to say, the ball is now rolling.
Cheers,
Nog
The collection of Fraser FN's (appx 130 Bands) have put DFO on notice: Issue permits and work with them now, or they will proceed unilaterally.
DFO running scared...
On other fronts, DFO is moving ahead issuing harvest permits under FSC.
Jason Knight is their new manager for this mission and was hired by Wilf Ludke (DFO Nanaimo).
The first area to be harvested is the Puntledge and then the Big Qualicum in August.
I would say it is safe to say, the ball is now rolling.
Cheers,
Nog
ship happens
Crew Member
I wanna seal backpack with some whiskers
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
Good work
Impacts of Pinniped Predation on BC Salmon
المناسبة قضايا من BC Wildlife Federation بتاريخ الخميس, أكتوبر ٢٨ ٢٠٢١ مع ٤٤٩ من الأشخاص المهتمين و٨٠ من الأشخاص الذين سيحضرون.
www.facebook.com
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2021 AT 7 PM
Impacts of Pinniped Predation on BC Salmon
Facebook LiveEvent by BC Wildlife Federation
Public · Anyone on or off Facebook
Carl J. Walters, Professor Emeritus at UBC; from the Institute for the Oceans and Fisheries, UBC. will present on the Impacts of Pinniped Predation on BC Salmon. Points to be covered are:
· Seals and sea lions are far more abundant today than they have been for the last several millennia, when First Nations harvesting kept them down
· They are consuming more fish than all the commercial fisheries (and aquaculture) combined
· In the Georgia Strait, seals have had particularly severe impacts on early marine survival rates of chinook and coho salmon, reducing abundances of larger fish by 80%
· We are not certain that seal reductions in the Georgia Strait would mean more fish available, because other stress factors like disease might be making the juvenile salmon more vunerable and could kill them even if seals were not
· It would be a major management experiment to reduce seal numbers to see if survival rates do improve, but the benefits of this experiment far outweigh possible costs
· DFO is very unlikely to face the problem, so we must hope for First Nations harvesting to actually do the grand experiment
See Less
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
SW: Some people, West Coast and East, point to seals as a factor in the slow recovery of stocks like Atlantic cod and salmon in BC. What do you think?
JM: I’ve heard that as well from Newfoundland and Labrador MPs that I’ve been hearing from, and other stakeholders. And our government actually supports a sustainable and well-regulated seal harvest. Why is the harvest not greater in number? I think there is a key factor there and that is there isn’t a market that is larger for the products that come out of the seal harvest. As a government, DFO funded $2 million to organizations that are developing and trying out new seal products and trying to build new markets.
I think the Blue Economy strategy is actually a place where we can encourage new innovations to find new markets for these products.
www.saltwire.com
JM: I’ve heard that as well from Newfoundland and Labrador MPs that I’ve been hearing from, and other stakeholders. And our government actually supports a sustainable and well-regulated seal harvest. Why is the harvest not greater in number? I think there is a key factor there and that is there isn’t a market that is larger for the products that come out of the seal harvest. As a government, DFO funded $2 million to organizations that are developing and trying out new seal products and trying to build new markets.
I think the Blue Economy strategy is actually a place where we can encourage new innovations to find new markets for these products.
A Q'n'A with Joyce Murray, Canada's new minister of Fisheries and Oceans, about Atlantic Canada's fishing industry | SaltWire
Liberal MP from British Columbia addresses stock rebuilding, DFO science, seals, aquaculture and more
www.saltwire.com
Similar threads
