Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

wildmanyeah said:
Farming Atlantic salmon in the east is not good for a host of reason.

Just like farming pacific salmon on this coast would be and something I’m against.

Having fish farms on land is the safest approach there is no debating that.

What I find personally frustrating is the amount of weighting some here put on salmon farms and there responsibility in causing salmon stocks to crash. Also I find frustrating the anti fish farming Lobby tends to attack farms more then other issues salmon face.

A developer can completely build right over a salmon stream killing it for ever and no seems to care. Cities can extract Rock form salmon beds and it barley makes the news. A contractor can leak cement and silt in to a stream where salmon are spawning and is business as normal.

The type of over-site lacking in fish farms is also the type of over-site lacking in all these other issues.
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Yep - couldn't have said it better. AA is correct on his theory, so good for him. I gave him a hard time for over playing it but looks like something more was afoot! But, shutting down all the FF's (whether I like them or not) may have zero impact on our wild salmon runs. That's what I am worried about. If we go after only one of the causes and that cause is minimal, then what? I asked what is plan B? I was surprised to read about the ph levels and how it effects the underlying ecology of salmon rearing streams. This sounds similar to my concern that Alaskan salmon ranching will cause a collapse in the food sources for all of our salmon. So, is it climate change, habitat destruction, Fish Farm's, salmon ranching? We need a way to figure out what is worse or should we go after them all? Also, we need to be prepared to put our money where our mouths are! If we shut don the FF's, we need to pay them for there loss of investment. This is common in our society. Ask Kathleen Wynn how it worked out when she got it wrong.... We paid...not her.
 
I was unfortunately correct on ISAv and River's Inlet - as well...
 
wildmanyeah said:
Farming Atlantic salmon in the east is not good for a host of reason.

Just like farming pacific salmon on this coast would be and something I’m against.

Having fish farms on land is the safest approach there is no debating that.

What I find personally frustrating is the amount of weighting some here put on salmon farms and there responsibility in causing salmon stocks to crash. Also I find frustrating the anti fish farming Lobby tends to attack farms more then other issues salmon face.

A developer can completely build right over a salmon stream killing it for ever and no seems to care. Cities can extract Rock form salmon beds and it barley makes the news. A contractor can leak cement and silt in to a stream where salmon are spawning and is business as normal.

The type of over-site lacking in fish farms is also the type of over-site lacking in all these other issues.
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I think its a separate topic. If you posted an article and/or a discussion about how a developer/mine/forestry was screwing over a river. I would discuss that and demand those held accountable.

There is no one cause to the state of the fisheries and it would be extremely difficult to quantify in isolation each impact. I certainly don't think the fish farms are the only cause of any collapse, a factor though and how significant it is tough to say.
 
Well, WMY - as I posted back a few pages on post #158:

Way back on Dec. 05th Dec. 2011 (post #7) - I posted about "my scary scenario" about the unintentional release of of a novel farm disease (ISAv verses PRv which was largely unknown at the time) onto wild stocks and the likely risks and epidemiology at:
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/dfo-still-says-no-isa.47986/#post-581876

Guess what?

In October 17, 2011 ISAv was found in River's Inlet stocks for the 1st time - and there were other years/sampling results afterwards. However, the lab that 1st produced those results (Fred's lab) got it's OIE certification yanked after "Canada" (CFIA & DFO) gave the OIE $2M - because CFIA was protecting trade - rather than wild stocks.

The proper, responsible response would have been to retest - but *NOT* destroy the samples and deny, deny and deny - and punish Fred - which is what the CFIA actually did. The CFIA NEVER went to River's Inlet to retest the wild salmon population - but these researchers did:
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/fish-farm-trouble-in-bc.67598/page-40

in 2016 - ISAV was reported again:
http://huffstrategy.com/MediaManager/Media/Text/1452187964_Salmon+virus+in+BC+news+release+Final.pdf

Charlie, Whole in the Water, GLG substantially added to that 2011 forum conversation - while Charlie even started the thread. Worth a re-read under the context of substituting the focus now on Prv instead of ISAv.

In 2018, PRv was reported found in River's Inlet and also see this blurb on ISAv on page 106 at:
http://summit.sfu.ca/system/files/iritems1/18614/etd19862.pdf

Infectious Salmon Anemia Virus
In sockeye salmon, the overall proportion testing positive for ISAV in 2014 was 1.2% (95% CI: 0.13-5.6%) (Figure B1). In 2015, this proportion was slightly higher at 3.1% (1.2-6.7%) (Figure B2), and in 2016, 0.88% (0.09-4%) tested positive for ISAV (Figure B3). The ISAV positive proportion was driven by sockeye fry in 2014 (3.8%, 0.416.6 %); smolts (3.8%, 1.1-9.7 %) and adults (4.9%, 1.0-14.7 %) in 2015; and smolts (0.88, 0.09-4%) in 2016 (Figures B1-B3).

No trout tested positive for ISAV in 2014 (0, 0-12.8%) (Figure B1) and none were screened for this virus in 2015 or 2016. Likewise, none of the spawning Chinook sampled in 2014 tested positive for ISAV (0, 0-11%; Figure B1), although 5% (0.5421.1%) of spawning Chinook tested positive for ISAV in 2015 (Figure B2). ISAV was not assessed for Chinook in 2016. Wanukv (Rivers Inlet) eulachon were only assessed for ISAV in early 2015 (Figure B2) and 7.4% returned positive results (95% CI: 1.6-21.7%). Klinaklini River eulachon showed a 5.3% positive rate for ISAV (95% CI 0.6-22%) (not shown).

Co-incidentally - as well as sockeye - Eulachon have also been depressed in River's Inlet and most of the Central Coast for some years...
 
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You still did not answer my question of how you were involved and what was your roll.

were you involved in the sampling? were you involved in the testing?
 
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wildmanyeah said:
You still did not answer my question of how you were involved and what was your roll.

were you involved in the sampling? were you involved in the testing?
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Drum roll ....

Agent, if indeed a virulent strain of ISAv is present, why have there been no outbreaks at farms?
I suggest an endemic strain is here but like PRv, is not causing mortalities to Atlantics.
 
You gota love this if you, as so many do, feel Fish Farms present a REAL THREAT to our wild salmon.
Thanks for the link AA

Finally! Salmon feedlots fall victim to federal election
“The tide is turning. Finally.
After the better part of 20 years in Atlantic Canada, feedlot fish farmers are on the run.
They can see the noose tightening, as a friend likes to say. I might have expressed it a bit more delicately, but the point is exceptionally well made.”
https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/o...dlots-fall-victim-to-federal-election-361601/
 
 
Salmon disease was present but Northern Harvest denies it was a factor in die-off
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/aquaculture-disease-salmon-1.5322420

Gerry Byrne denies any attempt by department to keep salmon die-off secret
http://ntv.ca/gerry-byrne-denies-any-attempt-by-department-to-keep-salmon-die-off-secret/

Notable (proud) quote from Gerry:
"I am the very 1st Aquaculture Minister in 35 years to ever lay a sanction on an aquaculture company.."

Comparable quote from Chief Clancy Wiggum:
"Ya in 35 years of police work - I have never once done my job and issue a traffic fine"
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Thanks AA. Still going through the links. Sure some real good information, some of it very complicated. It really starts to make the problems pretty obvious. In particular, the link in post #231. I found that study very interesting.
 
agentaqua said:
Salmon disease was present but Northern Harvest denies it was a factor in die-off
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/aquaculture-disease-salmon-1.5322420

Gerry Byrne denies any attempt by department to keep salmon die-off secret
http://ntv.ca/gerry-byrne-denies-any-attempt-by-department-to-keep-salmon-die-off-secret/

Notable (proud) quote from Gerry:
"I am the very 1st Aquaculture Minister in 35 years to ever lay a sanction on an aquaculture company.."

Comparable quote from Chief Clancy Wiggum:
"Ya in 35 years of police work - I have never once done my job and issue a traffic fine"
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This seems weird. Shouldnt it be simple to tell the cause of death in these fish? If it is a virus, then why did so few of the cages test positive for it? I would assume DFO has access to the lab tests. Are we rushing to assume the die off was ISAv? We need more info. Maybe ISAv was detected in small numbers but isn't the cause... to be honest, I worry it is something even worse.
 
Welcome to the insanity, Stephen. A simple question - I agree. It's aloooooong answer....
 
Ches Crosbie doesn’t accept Gerry Byrne’s answers on farmed salmon deaths
http://ntv.ca/ches-crosbie-doesnt-accept-gerry-byrnes-answers-on-farmed-salmon-deaths/
Atlantic Canada group seeks fed oversight of net pens, talks BC-style lawsuit
https://www.undercurrentnews.com/20...up-seeks-fed-oversight-talks-bc-style-lawsuit
Restart environmental process, Atlantic Salmon Federation urges after mass aquaculture deaths
http://ntv.ca/restart-environmental...deration-urges-after-mass-aquaculture-deaths/
ASF pushes for thorough review of Newfoundland fish-farming expansion
https://www.asf.ca/news-and-magazin...review-of-newfoundland-fish-farming-expansion
ASF Demands Full Environmental Assessment of MOWI Expansion
https://www.asf.ca/news-and-magazin...ll-environmental-assessment-of-mowi-expansion
 
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