Merrittboy
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need an anchor for an 19' cuddy. Will be out in Renfrew. What am I looking for and with what? Help I need advice.[?][?]
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Get yourself a 7.5 or 10KG Lewmar Claw from West Marine or Trotac. Get yourself 350FT of 3/8 Nylon line (I don't use Samson braid myself), and for your boat, 45 ft of 3/6" chain(More chain the better, get as much as you think you can lift). Get yourself a decent size Scotsman float (I don't know the sizes, the one I use is about 24" across). Get a shackle, put through the bottom of the float, and then attache a 5" Stainless Metal Hoop (Looks like a little hula hoop) through it. You can attach the hoope with a larger stainless quick connector if you want to detach your float from your anchor setup when not in use. You will pass your anchor rode through this (The hoop) so you can pull it (The ANchor) back up simply by running your boat upstream and to the side a little bit of where your anchor set.
Tie it ALL together. When attaching the chain to your anchor, don't attach the chain to the shank, attach it to the hole near the "claw" end, then zip-tie the chain to the shank, so when your anchor is stuck, the zip ties will break and you get your anchor back. Use a couple of big zip-ties, or some of that white "rot cord" you use on Crab Traps.
Then, at the end of your rope that you wish to attach to your boat, run it through the 5 Inch stainless hoop (Get 'em at Capital Iron, DO NOT buy the expensive West Marine one). After the hoop (By that I mean the end going to your boat), get an 18" 5/16" Carrige Bolt, with some nylocks and fender washers. Position the nylocks and the fender washers in the middle of the bolt about 3/8" apart so you can tie the rope around it (The bolt), and the washers will keep it (The rope) centered. Leave about 6 feet of mylon rope AFTER this. The idea is once you play out your scope, the bolt will keep your rope from sliding any further through the "hoop" hanging under your float. On the 6 feet hanging off past the carrige bolt, tie 50ft of 3/8" YELLOW POLY rope. The end opposite the end you have tied to the nylon, put a little tiny float and a stainless snap. That way, when you get Mr. Big in a current, you can cut loose from your setup, chase him down, and come right back and hook it up because your snap will be hanging from the little float trailing downstream from your big float.
The reason you use Poly rope from your mainline to your boat is so while you are learning how to do all this, and your anchor rope gets caught in your motor, the poly rope will break before sinking your boat.
To attach the anchor to your boat, run a line from the lifting eye in the bow, through one of the lifting eyes in on your stern, then up to the nearest mooring cleat to the transom. Tie it off to the cleat. Your anchor will attach to this while you are fishing. When you put your anchor over the side, ensure that you are DOWNSTREAM from where the anchor hits the sea bed, if the rope is under your boat and you have any sort of current, you will go for a swim. Once it is on the bottom, play out your scope so you have some slack. Clip your anchor onto your slide line, throw the snap towards the bow, then just loop your slide line up over a cleat somewhere amidships. That way, if your boat does not immediatly bow into the current or waves, you will be pulling from the side of the boat, not the stern, and can simply crank the wheel and power into the wind to have the snap slide to your bow.
Once you have your limit of big fish, you just un-loop your slider from your amidships cleat, make sure you have a knife handy in case something goes wrong, and run upstream at about a 45 degree angle from where your anchor set ( You NEVER want it right under you). Your anchor will run up to the float, don't be afraid to pull it as fast as you can. When your chain goes through your hoop, the shank of your anchor will sit through the hoop, hanging under your float waiting for you, and then you stop your boat. THe weight of the chain will hold your anchor under the float, it should be out there bobbing away for you to pick up. If your float DOES NOT look like it has the weight of your anchor and chain under it, pull some more because you do NOT want that thing to hook up on bottom while you are pulling it in. Just pull in your anchor rode, store it, and go home to clean all those big fish.
Anchoring 101, if you can follow that, you are set. And no, don't try to be a man about throwing your anchor over, tying it to the bow, and try to pull it up by hand with no float. It is dangerous, and hard. Wolf and I have a mutual freind who tried that, and has the scars to show what happened LOL.
Tie it ALL together. When attaching the chain to your anchor, don't attach the chain to the shank, attach it to the hole near the "claw" end, then zip-tie the chain to the shank, so when your anchor is stuck, the zip ties will break and you get your anchor back. Use a couple of big zip-ties, or some of that white "rot cord" you use on Crab Traps.
Then, at the end of your rope that you wish to attach to your boat, run it through the 5 Inch stainless hoop (Get 'em at Capital Iron, DO NOT buy the expensive West Marine one). After the hoop (By that I mean the end going to your boat), get an 18" 5/16" Carrige Bolt, with some nylocks and fender washers. Position the nylocks and the fender washers in the middle of the bolt about 3/8" apart so you can tie the rope around it (The bolt), and the washers will keep it (The rope) centered. Leave about 6 feet of mylon rope AFTER this. The idea is once you play out your scope, the bolt will keep your rope from sliding any further through the "hoop" hanging under your float. On the 6 feet hanging off past the carrige bolt, tie 50ft of 3/8" YELLOW POLY rope. The end opposite the end you have tied to the nylon, put a little tiny float and a stainless snap. That way, when you get Mr. Big in a current, you can cut loose from your setup, chase him down, and come right back and hook it up because your snap will be hanging from the little float trailing downstream from your big float.
The reason you use Poly rope from your mainline to your boat is so while you are learning how to do all this, and your anchor rope gets caught in your motor, the poly rope will break before sinking your boat.
To attach the anchor to your boat, run a line from the lifting eye in the bow, through one of the lifting eyes in on your stern, then up to the nearest mooring cleat to the transom. Tie it off to the cleat. Your anchor will attach to this while you are fishing. When you put your anchor over the side, ensure that you are DOWNSTREAM from where the anchor hits the sea bed, if the rope is under your boat and you have any sort of current, you will go for a swim. Once it is on the bottom, play out your scope so you have some slack. Clip your anchor onto your slide line, throw the snap towards the bow, then just loop your slide line up over a cleat somewhere amidships. That way, if your boat does not immediatly bow into the current or waves, you will be pulling from the side of the boat, not the stern, and can simply crank the wheel and power into the wind to have the snap slide to your bow.
Once you have your limit of big fish, you just un-loop your slider from your amidships cleat, make sure you have a knife handy in case something goes wrong, and run upstream at about a 45 degree angle from where your anchor set ( You NEVER want it right under you). Your anchor will run up to the float, don't be afraid to pull it as fast as you can. When your chain goes through your hoop, the shank of your anchor will sit through the hoop, hanging under your float waiting for you, and then you stop your boat. THe weight of the chain will hold your anchor under the float, it should be out there bobbing away for you to pick up. If your float DOES NOT look like it has the weight of your anchor and chain under it, pull some more because you do NOT want that thing to hook up on bottom while you are pulling it in. Just pull in your anchor rode, store it, and go home to clean all those big fish.
Anchoring 101, if you can follow that, you are set. And no, don't try to be a man about throwing your anchor over, tying it to the bow, and try to pull it up by hand with no float. It is dangerous, and hard. Wolf and I have a mutual freind who tried that, and has the scars to show what happened LOL.
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Hey LC - VERY neat system and great explanation. Can see how that would be a HUGE time saver if you were hali fishing all the time.
The only part that scared me a little was the hard connection to the retreival hole on the anchor with the zap straps to the main anchor hole. It's an awesome way to make sure you can get your anchor back without using a second rope but if you ever needed to use this anchor in an actual "I have no power and my boats heading for the rocks emergency" I'd be a little concerned about those zap straps giving way as the shore wave action tugged on it in bad weather...
How hard have you yanked on that puppy without the zaps giving way?
How often have you had to break the zaps to retreive your anchor?
Trying to get a feeling on the risk of anchor loss vs the risk of your anchor not working when you need it to....
The only part that scared me a little was the hard connection to the retreival hole on the anchor with the zap straps to the main anchor hole. It's an awesome way to make sure you can get your anchor back without using a second rope but if you ever needed to use this anchor in an actual "I have no power and my boats heading for the rocks emergency" I'd be a little concerned about those zap straps giving way as the shore wave action tugged on it in bad weather...
How hard have you yanked on that puppy without the zaps giving way?
How often have you had to break the zaps to retreive your anchor?
Trying to get a feeling on the risk of anchor loss vs the risk of your anchor not working when you need it to....
I've popped 'em out with my outboard, I would not trust it in a real storm tho. Most guys keep the hali anchor seperate from the real anchor. In a pinch, you could replace the zap ties with something else in a hurry, but no, I would not spend the night in any weather on the zip ties.
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Suspected that was the case, just wanted to make sure it was clear to anyone reading the post who might not understand the potential implications of the setup.
Merrittboy
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Thanks for the input, I am going to have to take a course to figure it all out. I thought that it would be a simple thing, but???
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The simple answer is the 350' 3/8 rope with 45' of chain 3/16 chain and a 7.5-10kg claw anchor.
If your going to be halibut fishing (or still fishing for ling/snapper) I'd go with LC's setup and the SS shackle as Pescaru suggests. Stow the anchor with chain zipped and shackled. When you want to hali fish all you need to do is undo the shackle and your off to the races. I normally drift and backtroll but I'm going to give this setup a try as it actually sounds pretty easy to use once setup. I'd read about this before but LC's post is a lot easier to understand the rig than the others I've read.
Plan B involves either a winch or lot's of blisters and a sore back.
Thanks LC.
If your going to be halibut fishing (or still fishing for ling/snapper) I'd go with LC's setup and the SS shackle as Pescaru suggests. Stow the anchor with chain zipped and shackled. When you want to hali fish all you need to do is undo the shackle and your off to the races. I normally drift and backtroll but I'm going to give this setup a try as it actually sounds pretty easy to use once setup. I'd read about this before but LC's post is a lot easier to understand the rig than the others I've read.
Plan B involves either a winch or lot's of blisters and a sore back.
Thanks LC.
wolf
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The size of scotsman is min a 60 inch one that is the distace around thats how they measure them.
Merritboy what I have suggested to you a long time ago you should really do especially in renfrew hire Lastchance for a lesson as you are totally new to the game the knowledge you will learn WILL be invaluable be it anchoring or crabbing,salmonfishing,hali fishing or just general knowledge or someone else I would really hate to see you get hurt out there from not knowing what to do!!!!!!!
Good luck Wolf
Merritboy what I have suggested to you a long time ago you should really do especially in renfrew hire Lastchance for a lesson as you are totally new to the game the knowledge you will learn WILL be invaluable be it anchoring or crabbing,salmonfishing,hali fishing or just general knowledge or someone else I would really hate to see you get hurt out there from not knowing what to do!!!!!!!
Good luck Wolf
Merrittboy
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Me too Wolf! 
But I am learning, just need the water experience! It will come. Thanks. Don't know if I can afford the charter this year!
But I am learning, just need the water experience! It will come. Thanks. Don't know if I can afford the charter this year!
Tailspin
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I have seen on one rare occasion, a experienced guy in a 22 foot Campion stand his boat up on end by pulling the anchor to fast. He was close to planing speed prior to the zap strap breaking and wrapped the chain up off a pinnicle at East Race with minimal current. His buddy fell off the seat with no wheel to hang on to and whacked his head of the transom well.Imagine if that were his wife or kids[xx(] Since witnessing that, i never go fast pulling anchor especially at the Race. Short bursts of throttle will break the anchor loose and the strap if picked in to hard.
wolf
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Well all I can say is how much does your life cost???? all the years I have anchored even to this day Anchoring is the part I hate the most as it is dangerous and you can get into trouble fast, A lesson if you or anyone else is new to this game is important.
Ill use a set up for example anchor,rope,chain is about 300 bucks min. So while your getting your experience say you loose 2 of these set ups there is the price of your lesson SO you dont loose a set up!!!!
Just my 2 cent for the day
Good luck Wolf
Ill use a set up for example anchor,rope,chain is about 300 bucks min. So while your getting your experience say you loose 2 of these set ups there is the price of your lesson SO you dont loose a set up!!!!
Just my 2 cent for the day
Good luck Wolf
danthewire
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Merritboy, take these guys advice,I learned off of my dad who was too bullheaded to ask or take advice from anyone he got us in some serious situations.At least your're asking ,If you're going to anchor get someone to show you.DAN
Merrittboy
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I am listening to u guys don't worry! I have a healthy (respect/fear) of the water. I dont want to hurt myself or others! I want to learn but know that it will take time! Thanks for your advice!
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