Corey_lax
Crew Member
I never would get 3x the labour rate. Maybe 20-30%.
Also, there’s another stat holiday that’s virtually approved so that’s around 2.5% increase in one year between paid sick days and stat holidays
Aluminum boat builders - why have they become so greedy???
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Also, there’s another stat holiday that’s virtually approved so that’s around 2.5% increase in one year between paid sick days and stat holidays
That is the reality a lot of people don't get. Good thing the public sector doesn't build boats. Imagine the coast of that.
kaelc
Crew Member
Yes, many don't make the 3X. It's incredible the difference between some trades and margins, yet everyone complains they can't get good service. My business can't provide full service to electrical and carpentry customers, because their margins are too thin while HDM/Plumbing (not construction plumbing) can charge 3X. The cost of putting a tradesperson and a van/truck on the road (or in a shop) for a year is amazing before you add a safety officer, payroll/hr, sales, training etc.
I do think there are efficiencies to be found in boat building but we also want custom/ where the Legend (Brunswick) boats churned out 100 at a time, advertised above me won't satisfy most of us.
I do think there are efficiencies to be found in boat building but we also want custom/ where the Legend (Brunswick) boats churned out 100 at a time, advertised above me won't satisfy most of us.
Aquaholic
Crew Member
that is a small business killer, among many, quarterly payments based on the previous years earnings.
donnie d
Well-Known Member
Our ministers of inflation have done an excellent job of killing business and eventually, jobs of Canadians.
I work for a federally regulated business. We’re now on the hook for 14 new paid days.
10 sick days (extra paid vacation)
3 personal days
1 T&R day
The cost pressures don’t stop and our government in its never ending stupidity is piling on.
I don’t doubt shop time is $3000 a day. A couple labourers/welders are over $1000/day burdened in, leaving raw materials, shop overhead, tools, consumables, and likely a skinny margin to round out that 3,000. Margin has to contribute to insurance, WCB, property tax, owners salary, admin…following that, likely not a lot left.
kaelc
Crew Member
Dam, I didn't know about the 3-5 days of personal leave, so basically 6% increase in costs before you realize you need a second person to do the work of the .5 person you have.
-25 C in some parts of BC today. What does it take to heat a shop these days in winter? Thankfully I pay for heat included for our two offices and my team prefers to work from home.
Jobs aren't dead yet; we see lots of multiple offers. High employment rates are keeping the economy together.
@AndrewH do you have any welder buddies? Order the aluminum and be their helpers on weekends or take a welding class and do it with a a helper? A popular way in Australia. If you were in Victoria, I'd be there to lend a hand once in a while and make the video. https://www.youtube.com/@cncmarinekitboats9558
Are you set on Aluminum? Tolman Skiff is an option with UHMW for the keel.
Best deals right now are in Florida, looks like you can get a fibreglass hull in the 22 range with new power for under 50k CAD if you go for a road trip. 55 hours each way!
With some bargaining you might get a deal on this and be able to replace the floors, like some guys on here advise
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bod/d/portland-2017-hewescraft-220-ocean-pro/7590879394.html
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spring fever
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I am not a business owner and am retired--just so you know. It amazes me how this government in its rush to Wokeness can just give 10 days of sick leave to workers without a thought to the consequences for small business. I understand them doing it for gov't jobs-they are on the hook for the budget and if it doesn't look good there are political problems-for them. Giving carte blanche sick days to all workers without compensating the business owners or really even consulting them is unconscionable. Those paid sick days cost a lot of money and may be the difference of a business staying open or closing. This is the same gov't who keeps muttering about the amount of money we have all made on the increase in home values and muses about taxing some of it since it was so unfairly obtained. It is easy to see why things cost so much(boats' houses etc.)-maybe inflation isn't totally the Boogeyman they want you to blame but maybe --just maybe its gov't regulation and taxation are perhaps the real culprits here!!
Corey_lax
Crew Member
We're $900 per month to heat one of our five shops. The other shops can freeze lolDam, I didn't know about the 3-5 days of personal leave, so basically 6% increase in costs before you realize you need a second person to do the work of the .5 person you have.
-25 C in some parts of BC today. What does it take to heat a shop these days in winter? Thankfully I pay for heat included for our two offices and my team prefers to work from home.
Jobs aren't dead yet; we see lots of multiple offers. High employment rates are keeping the economy together.
@AndrewH do you have any welder buddies? Order the aluminum and be their helpers on weekends or take a welding class and do it with a a helper? A popular way in Australia. If you were in Victoria, I'd be there to lend a hand once in a while and make the video. https://www.youtube.com/@cncmarinekitboats9558
Are you set on Aluminum? Tolman Skiff is an option with UHMW for the keel.
Best deals right now are in Florida, looks like you can get a fibreglass hull in the 22 range with new power for under 50k CAD if you go for a road trip. 24 hours each way!
With some bargaining you might get a deal on this and be able to replace the floors, like some guys on here advise
seahorse
Crew Member
Some might remember that the BC Gov funded the $500 million fast ferry fiasco and then sold all 3 to Dennis Washington for $25 million under Glen Clark. This after all the warnings of the catamaran style weld cracking issue.That is the reality a lot of people don't get. Good thing the public sector doesn't build boats. Imagine the coast of that.
Aquaholic
Crew Member
Did he buy them? Fast ferries were Glen Clark’s babies but Gordon Campbell liquidated them during his time in office.
kaelc
Crew Member
We might have done well getting anything out of them. It took them another 6 years to sell them, just the moorage, insurance and upkeep would have cost taxpayers millions. Moral of the story a used, tried and tested boat design, is the most affordable and the best value 
"put up for sale at an asking price of $120 million for all three.[7] They turned out to be difficult to sell, due to their highly specialised design and a saturated market.[7]
After a change of government in May 2001, and more attempts to sell at a higher price,[7] the ships were finally put up for auction in March 2003[8] and were sold to the Washington Marine Group[7] for US$13 million (CA$19.23 million),[9] 4.2% of what it cost to build them. Washington Marine Group announced on July 28, 2009 that they had sold the three ships for an undisclosed amount to Abu Dhabi MAR, a luxury yacht builder.[7]
"put up for sale at an asking price of $120 million for all three.[7] They turned out to be difficult to sell, due to their highly specialised design and a saturated market.[7]
After a change of government in May 2001, and more attempts to sell at a higher price,[7] the ships were finally put up for auction in March 2003[8] and were sold to the Washington Marine Group[7] for US$13 million (CA$19.23 million),[9] 4.2% of what it cost to build them. Washington Marine Group announced on July 28, 2009 that they had sold the three ships for an undisclosed amount to Abu Dhabi MAR, a luxury yacht builder.[7]
Fisher_dude
Crew Member
Here’s something to pass your time. Them aussies sure dont care about proper Ppe. My legs got tanned from just watching the video!
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kaelc
Crew Member
I can just hear that budget burn.... a pretty sweet custom trailer, I just skimmed it. 150k all day long?
Aquaholic
Crew Member
Entertaining for sure, and the caption does say hand cut, but why if they build that certain hull repeatedly. All those members with intricate cuts being done by hand. The barefoot builders are tough young fella's.
Thunder21
Well-Known Member
I agree that is ridiculous.
ReelSlim
Crew Member
And to make it worse….that’s really a 21’ boat plus the integrated swim grid. There are a few other known builders that measure them like that. Just a pet peeve of mine.lol
bryce
Crew Member
Lol I love when guys in there 3025 park beside me I always tell them my boat is 24-26’ just to watch their head spin! They have nice paint though
KF bashing.
It's an addiction.
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