All Things COVID-19

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I think it's perfectly accurate to say 2 people can't properly distance on a 30 foot boat. Too much shared gear, steering, small door into the cabin, the list goes on and on. I do think though that the risk is very minimal if you're taking precautions like not touching your face, washing hands, disinfecting surfaces and no making out. My wife disagrees but I think that like @uclueletcharters said if it's someone you know and can trust that they've been doing a good job distancing then even better. I think taking paid guests would never fly at this point.

I agree with your assessment that taking paying guests will not work simply because of both numbers to make the trip viable and required guide/ client interaction. But I feel pretty comfortable that I and my grown son can pretty much fish together, though it requires a modification of our behaviour and proper precautions.

 

[walleyes]

Well we’ve been making it work on many jobs sites across the country. Try our best to keep a distance but it’s not always possible. Lots of times we are in close quarters. Just keeping everything clean and wiped down many times a day, we’ve been buying hand sanitizer by the 5 gallon pail, offices wiped down twice daily. We keep an eye on each other, temperatures are taken every second day by first aid attendants. A little common sense goes a long way. The same could be done on many operations and situations across the nation.

 

[tightlines]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.18.20070912v1

Note this hasn't been peer reviewed but it is a thorough statiscal analysis using data from 7 municipalities in Lombardy Italy done by some Harvard grads. Thought it was worth a share. Findings are 0.1% infection fatality rate for those 50-60 . (1 out of every 1000 infections), infection fatality rate of zero for those under 50 (ie virtually no risk of death)

The risk rises significantly the older you get. We obviously knew this already, but nice to attach figures to it. You need to download the PDF to get the full study. Excerpt:

"Figure 2 shows the estimated infection fatality ratios by age group together with 95% credible intervals and interquartile range. As expected, infection fatality ratios were found much larger for older age groups. Point estimates are 4·66 and 9·04 for 71-80 and 81+, respectively. We cannot exclude, however, that the infection fatality ratio for over 80 years old is as high as 13·3% or as low as 6·61%. Interestingly, we found an infection fatality rate close to zero for under 50 years old, and around 0·1% for the 51-60 group. For robustness, we have also recalculated all point estimates using the mode and confidence intervals as the highest posterior density interval. Results remained virtually identical (data not shown)."

I was suprised to see the stats so low for those under 50, basically zero risk of death if infected.

 

[lazylump]

I don’t understand where the grey area is in the hunting and fishing regs? It says you are expected to follow all orders and guidance. Is ignoring this set of rules a bit like ignoring a no trespassing sign because it doesn’t include your own first and last name on it?
Also saw that vessels carrying 12+ passengers for discretionary operations like recreation and tourism are banned from operating until Oct 31st.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/...=fishing&keyword=and&keyword=Covid&keyword=19

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/covid.html

 

[SpringVelocity]

I don’t understand where the grey area is in the hunting and fishing regs? It says you are expected to follow all orders and guidance. Is ignoring this set of rules a bit like ignoring a no trespassing sign because it doesn’t include your own first and last name on it? Also saw that vessels carrying 12+ passengers for recreation etc are banned until Oct 31st.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/...=fishing&keyword=and&keyword=Covid&keyword=19

agree.

 

[SpringVelocity]

 

[dradons]

Well we’ve been making it work on many jobs sites across the country. Try our best to keep a distance but it’s not always possible. Lots of times we are in close quarters. Just keeping everything clean and wiped down many times a day, we’ve been buying hand sanitizer by the 5 gallon pail, offices wiped down twice daily. We keep an eye on each other, temperatures are taken every second day by first aid attendants. A little common sense goes a long way. The same could be done on many operations and situations across the nation.

I am kind of curious about what kind of precautions/preventative measures that Cargill and the Chicken processor in Vancouver had. Both had pretty decent outbreaks.

 

[walleyes]

I am kind of curious about what kind of precautions/preventative measures that Cargill and the Chicken processor in Vancouver had. Both had pretty decent outbreaks.

If those operations are like any other packing plants I have been around or near the underlying issues that caused this are not to be discussed on a public forum I know that.

But I know where your going, you’re just looking for an argument and I’m not going there with you. Just here to state a fact and that is it can be done.

 

[dradons]

If those operations are like any other packing plants I have been around or near the underlying issues that caused this are not to be discussed on a public forum I know that.

But I know where your going, you’re just looking for an argument and I’m not going there with you. Just here to state a fact and that is it can be done.

I wasn't really. I am still going into work and we are doing the necessary precautions etc too. Just wondering out loud if they were shortcutting precautionary measures vs blind eye.

 

[walleyes]

I wasn't really. I am still going into work and we are doing the necessary precautions etc too. Just wondering out loud if they were shortcutting precautionary measures vs blind eye.

Well I apologize then for miss reading you.

 

[SpringVelocity]

Canadian Coast Guard asks people to stay off the water as search and rescue calls increase
April 25th, 2020updated

The Canadian Coast Guard is asking everyone to avoid non-essential travel amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
Canadian Coast Guard / Facebook
With the start of the boating season underway in B.C., heading out to the water may be tempting for residents. But with the COVID-19 pandemic still ongoing, the Canadian Coast Guard is asking people to stay off the water unless it is needed. “On behalf of the Canadian Coast Guard, I am asking all mariners to once again come to the aid of others by avoiding non-essential trips and consider staying close to home to save lives as our country works to reduce the spread of COVID-19,” said assistant commissioner Roger Girouard in a statement on Saturday. The coast guard says they have already responded to a higher number of search and rescue calls in the province compared to this time last year. With each response, the organization says their specialists are putting themselves at risk of exposure to COVID-19, and are using up the supplies of personal protective equipment that is desperately needed by critical care workers. “[The] coast guard continues to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week to keep mariners safe, but unnecessary boating trips increase the risk to our operations and our ability to respond,” said Girouard.

This announcement comes as many were hoping to get on the water as an alternative to other cancelled outdoor activities, like hiking in provincial parks. Girouard reminded everyone that smaller coastal communities in B.C. have closed to visitors in an effort to protect their families, adding that unnecessary visitors pose a threat to vulnerable community members and the limited health care resources. He also said that because these communities are not welcoming visitors, if you choose to travel, you might not be able to have access to fuel, supplies and other services. “If you have been in close contact with someone with COVID-19, or are feeling sick, please don’t get on a boat,” urged Girouard. “Please let the coast guard know if you have any flu-like symptoms when you call for assistance so we can best protect our crews.” The coast guard is asking everyone for patience and understanding while they navigate these uncharted waters. “I know that seafarers are both self-reliant and fairly cautious. It’s time to take those principles to heart keeping an eye to being on the water without impacting others,” said Girouard.

 

[SpringVelocity]

B.C. reports 95 new cases of COVID-19, overall death toll climbs to 100
April 25th, 2020updated

Dr. Bonnie Henry
File
One hundred people have now died from the coronavirus in British Columbia. On Saturday afternoon, B.C. health officials reported two deaths and 95 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the total number of deaths to 100 and the total number of cases to 1,948. Of the confirmed cases in British Columbia, there are 115 within the Island Health region, which is an increase of four cases from April 24. There are also 787 cases within Vancouver Coastal Health, 853 in Fraser Health, 160 in Interior Health and 42 in Northern Health. During Saturday’s update, Dr. Bonnie Henry, the provincial health officer, said one of the deaths was within a First Nation community, the first such death in B.C. “Along with the many lives we’ve lost to COVID-19, this is a tragedy that is beyond just us. It is a tragedy for all of us,” Henry said. “Our elders, in particular, in our First Nations communities are culture and history keepers. When they become ill and when they die, we all lose.” The spike in cases is due to ongoing outbreaks of the virus at a federal prison, poultry plants and the Kearl Lake facility in Alberta, according to Henry. She said 40 of the 95 new cases reported today are related to people who were detected at the Mission federal correctional facility and that a total of 106 inmates and 12 staff members at the facility have now tested positive for COVID-19. “We have done extensive testing at that facility in the last few days,” Henry said.

Additionally, there are two ongoing outbreaks at Superior Poultry Processors and United Poultry, which are both located on the Lower Mainland, Henry said, adding that 16 of today’s new cases are related to the outbreak at Superior Poultry Processors. “The United Poultry facility, which was closed down a few days ago, remains at 35 cases positive,” Henry said. Meanwhile, there are now 11 cases of COVID-19 in B.C. that associated with an outbreak at the Kearl Lake oil sands facility near Fort McMurray, Alta. There are 91 people hospitalized because of COVID-19, with 41 people in intensive care. However, on a positive note, a total of 1,137 people in B.C. have fully recovered from the virus and there are no new long-term care facilities reporting outbreaks of COVID-19, according to Henry.

 

[SpringVelocity]

That sucks it's on a reserve now. A couple I know have been shielding the community heavily from outside visitors.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Canadian Coast Guard asks people to stay off the water as search and rescue calls increase
April 25th, 2020updated

The Canadian Coast Guard is asking everyone to avoid non-essential travel amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
Canadian Coast Guard / Facebook
With the start of the boating season underway in B.C., heading out to the water may be tempting for residents. But with the COVID-19 pandemic still ongoing, the Canadian Coast Guard is asking people to stay off the water unless it is needed. “On behalf of the Canadian Coast Guard, I am asking all mariners to once again come to the aid of others by avoiding non-essential trips and consider staying close to home to save lives as our country works to reduce the spread of COVID-19,” said assistant commissioner Roger Girouard in a statement on Saturday. The coast guard says they have already responded to a higher number of search and rescue calls in the province compared to this time last year. With each response, the organization says their specialists are putting themselves at risk of exposure to COVID-19, and are using up the supplies of personal protective equipment that is desperately needed by critical care workers. “[The] coast guard continues to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week to keep mariners safe, but unnecessary boating trips increase the risk to our operations and our ability to respond,” said Girouard.

This announcement comes as many were hoping to get on the water as an alternative to other cancelled outdoor activities, like hiking in provincial parks. Girouard reminded everyone that smaller coastal communities in B.C. have closed to visitors in an effort to protect their families, adding that unnecessary visitors pose a threat to vulnerable community members and the limited health care resources. He also said that because these communities are not welcoming visitors, if you choose to travel, you might not be able to have access to fuel, supplies and other services. “If you have been in close contact with someone with COVID-19, or are feeling sick, please don’t get on a boat,” urged Girouard. “Please let the coast guard know if you have any flu-like symptoms when you call for assistance so we can best protect our crews.” The coast guard is asking everyone for patience and understanding while they navigate these uncharted waters. “I know that seafarers are both self-reliant and fairly cautious. It’s time to take those principles to heart keeping an eye to being on the water without impacting others,” said Girouard.

Kinda feel like we’re living in a nanny state reading this

No one moves and no one gets hurt

I get the measures and their importance I am heeding the call but it’s starting to get annoying reading these.

 

[Aces]

https://apple.news/AYUKAVPlKQV29nNkJn4BDJQ

 

[SpringVelocity]

Not saying that @wildmanyeah I just can't stand listening while several of us the business community are completely shut down. Losing thousands per day, and possibility of many never re-opening. Think about some of us out there? Our tourist season is just shot now. So when I hear people ***** and moan that they can't just do a simple thing like follow a boating guideline it gets irritating.

This virus need to go away, and that means we all have to make sacrifices right now. I say why take a chance? You do no service to any of our businesses if the virus continues to spread across community. That is why I mentioned guides in my comment as they are businesses in the recreational community. If you go out and spread it around how can they ever re-open?

We should be planning trips to go out on water for our sanity close to home. That doesn't mean hooking boat up and go hours to spread to other communities. Simple thing same household, and stay local. All I am saying. Sorry I am completely stressed right now, and have no idea the future holds. Very bad time to own a business. I wish some of you could experience it, and it isn't a good feeling at the moment.

 

[Aces]

https://apple.news/A0lbgreVIS56KVbfmrAdwgQ

 

[wildmanyeah]

Not saying that @wildmanyeah I just can't stand listening while several of us the business community are completely shut down. Losing thousands per day, and possibility of many never re-opening. Think about some of us out there? Our tourist season is just shot now. So when I hear people ***** and moan that they can't just do a simple thing like follow a boating guideline it gets irritating.

This virus need to go away, and that means we all have to make sacrifices right now. I say why take a chance? You do not service to any of our businesses if it continues to spread across community. That is why I mentioned guides in my comment as they are businesses in the recreational community. If you go out and spread it around how can they ever re-open?

We should be planning trips to go out on water for our sanity close to home. That doesn't mean hooking boat up and go hours to spread to other communities. Simple thing same household, and stay local. All I am saying. Sorry am completely stressed right now, and have no idea the future holds. Very bad time to own a business. I wish some of you could experience it, and it isn't a good feeling.

I read the article differently to me it does not say follow the guidelines to me it sounds like they want people to stay of the water period.

 

[SpringVelocity]

I read the article differently to me it does not say follow the guidelines to me it sounds like they want people to stay of the water period.

I was just making general comment.

 

[wildmanyeah]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bus...ssible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4?amp

Scientists fear that it may prove impossible to produce a working coronavirus vaccineand believe the world may have to simply learn to adapt to the permanent threat of COVID-19.

The UK's Chief Medical Officer, Christopher Whitty, told a Parliamentary committee on Friday that there was "concerning" evidence suggesting that it may not be possible to stimulate immunity to the virus.