Alberni Sockeye Fishing Opportunity

hey noggin, just let me know if you ever want to go down to the bridge and sell fish our or my truck, i bet we would last 2 min before we would go to jail and have our homes taken away! or better yet hang a huge sign on the bridge the says "food fish my butt!"
 
Cheers All,

Sad part of this is that the story is more than just the taking of the fish for commercial sale. One day, while working in Port Alberni, I stopped at the side of the road to see exactly what was being sold. In a cooler with no hinges nor top, a "retailer" had 6 sockeye salmon rotting in their own juices. The day was hot, the cooler was in the direct sunlight and the fish had no ice nor form of preservation. Sign said $10/fish (NO Taxes) At the end of the day the fish are taken to the end of the road and tossed over the bank. There in the ditch were too many rotting fish to count.

I wish I could continue but the Doctor said I should not elevate my blood pressure!

Fishing Guide
 
Ally Cat, Taking pictures is no good, have you heard of Photoshop?
I used to go over to Port Alberni to fish at Paper Mill Dam. It was not unusual for the RCMP to appear as well as DFO to check our licenses. The natives selling the fish by the side of the road were ignored.
What makes you think the papers are going to get involved, if the ones supposedly protecting the fish won't/can' be involved.
Just go and look yourself,don't take our word for it.
Remebemr there are still treaty negotiations going on.
Don
 
Is he joking?

Isn't it common knowledge all over the south Island what happens on the Stamp? No mystery.

Yeah. Carolyn and Matt have nothing better to do than make false accusations on here.

Wow.

EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHATS GOING ON AND HAS REPORTED IT A MILLION TIMES!!!



Gimee the gaff!!!
 
Food fishery underway
Low sockeye returns last year resulted in a complete closure
Shayne Morrow, Alberni Valley Times
Published: Tuesday, May 26, 2009

The first aboriginal food fishery for Somass River sockeye in two years is now underway.

Last year, sockeye returns in the system were below the survival threshold, which meant a complete species closure. This year, about 350,000 sockeye are expected to return, according to resource manager Alistair Thomson of Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO).

"The escapement has started now. We put the counters in at Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake around May 15," Thomson said.

With a projected return of 350,000, that allows an allocation of about 25,500 fish to Tseshaht and Hupacasath First Nations, 20,000 to the Barkley Sound Nations and 21,000 for the sport fishery. At Tseshaht First Nation, fisheries manager (in training) Allison Gallic said the fishery is in the early stages.

"There's a few fishermen going out and they're catching a few fish," Gallic said. "I'm just submitting our food fishing plan to the chief and council this week, and we'll announce an official plan next week."

That will spell out the schedule and gear types, etc., she explained. Typically, Tseshaht and Hupacasath will use a combination of gill-net and drag-seine in the food fishery.

"A communal license has been issued to the two local bands for 2,000 fish for May," Thomson said. "Then, in-season, we set the fishing plans week-to-week."

Thomson said the test seining program, with the familiar Argent 1, will start on June 15, the same day as the limited sport fishery. Until the test seine data beings coming in, DFO will stick with the projection of 350,000 fish.

"There is no commercial fishing at this point," Thomson said. "We'd have to upgrade the run to 410,000, and then there would be a small allocation to the commercial and (aboriginal) pilot sale fishery."

As of June 15, recreational fishermen will be allowed to retain two sockeye per day, down from the usual four. It's the first sport sockeye fishery on Alberni Inlet since 2006.

Gallic just completed the school year at the University of Victoria, where she is studying for her bachelor of science in fisheries and aquaculture.

"I'm transferring over to Vancouver Island University for my final year, because they have some courses I'd really like to get," Gallic said.

SMorrow@avtimes.net


© Alberni Valley Times 2009
 
quote:Originally posted by Whaler

..."A communal license has been issued to the two local bands for 2,000 fish for May," Thomson said. "Then, in-season, we set the fishing plans week-to-week."...

And now although that 2,000 initial "FSC" (right [V]) has been admittedly harvested, the nets are still up pretty much wall to wall, and the buzzard-boats still circling down below.
Methinks they should at least show a little restraint. [B)]

On other fronts, there is a local movement afoot to realize the recreational opening as early as the first of June. Cross your fingers, wait and see, but don't start holding your breath just yet...

Cheers,
Nog
 
Saw some socks out in the sound jumping and saw the FN out in full force netting the lower river. Had to weave the maze of nets just to get out of clutesi.
 
idea related to the sockeye fisheries:
back in the 60 ro 70 the gov. was dumping food for plankton like growth into great central lake inhancing sockeye feeding. the lake was gitting at 1 point a million fish returning? just wondering if anyone knows much about this and why it stoped was it harmfull to the eco system ?
 
I was up at the hatchery a few weeks ago and they are still adding fertilizer to increase the productivity of the lake. They suggested, and I agree from what I have read, is it is really ocean conditions (warmer waters and therefore a lack of or change in the available food) that is really putting a hurt on the sockeye (and other) stocks - harvest aside of course...
 
Often wondered what a couple of bails of hay accidently dropped of the bridge would do?[:0]
 
Prized sockeye being dumped


By Quintin Winks, Alberni Valley Times July 13, 2009 12:01 PM



A cyclist discovered a dump of sockeye salmon near Shoemaker Bay last week.


Photograph by: Alberni Valley Times, Times Colonist The dumping of perfectly edible salmon is prevalent in the Alberni Valley, prompted by over harvesting of a strong sockeye migration.


In the most recent example, a cyclist in the Shoemaker Bay area on Wednesday discovered between 50 and 60 whole sockeye dumped in the bush. This year's strong run is irresistible temptation for some fishermen and women to keep fishing until they have more than they can eat, fit in their freezer or give away, which can lead to illegal dumping.

Meanwhile, the price in grocery stores for sockeye is $2.39 per 100 grams.


While it's impossible to say who's responsible, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans often traces such offences back to the First Nations fishery. While the immediate problem can be linked to fish not being handled and cleaned promptly, iced and properly stored, it's as likely as not a symptom of differing opinions.


The First Nations have fishing rights as part of their ancient reliance on salmon in the coastal waterways. Meeting those rights each year during the salmon run, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans allocates a certain amount of fish for the food, social and ceremonial needs of. But the opinion of some First Nations residents is that their rights include sales of fish and an economic livelihood, said Jim Robson, fishery officer supervisor for the West Coast.


"We've allocated a large amount of fish to meet their needs, some would say a very large amount of fish to the point where how can they possibly use that amount of fish, but they're a large community," Robson said.


The desire to make money on the fish sometimes leads to overfishing. The First Nations fishery can have very high catches and difficulty handling the number of fish they get, especially when the fishery is very, very good, like it is this year, Robson said. If it's difficult to distribute the fish some may go bad, which leads to dumping.


"The wasting of fish is huge, it's a big concern," Robson said.


The Fishery Act prohibits wasting of edible fish and it forbids the sale of food, social and ceremonial fish at any time. It does so to prevent over harvesting, Robson said, and carries a penalty of a mandatory court appearance with a fine to be determined by the judge.


Yet sales continue and so does over harvesting, placing the sale of fish front and centre in the DFO's crosshairs.


In the past such sales were authorized. More recently the fishery was managed through other means. But lately it's been increasingly difficult to get to an agreement with the First Nations and allocation has been a big issue, Robson said.


"They want more fish because obviously the economics of sales is huge for the Valley and we recognize that, but as well we need to control well-managed fisheries," Robson continued. "And when you get a sales component in a fishery it encourages larger harvests. It's a balancing act on maximum economics and controlling harvest."


There are about 1,200 First Nations fishermen and women in the Alberni Valley and a bulletin issued by the DFO itemizes how much everyone has harvested so far.


Despite the DFO's best efforts the number of fish being dumped is increasing and officials are asking the public to report it.


"We have to report it so that at least it's documented," Robson said. Having those figures enables the DFO to count all fish so a tally can be applied to the counting of the run. That way officials know how much is caught and how much is spawned and "we can keep track to make sure there's no excess of harvest."


But for those who find themselves in possession of fish that can neither be given away nor eaten, there is an alternative to dumping. The Bread of Life Centre has just cleaned out one of its freezers and is more than happy to accept fish to feed those in need, said Cindy Sjoholm, the centre's executive director.


"Receiving fish wouldn't be a problem at all," Sjoholm said.


Robson at the DFO also supported the idea.


"Fish in excess of needs or storage capacity donated to the Bread of Life or food banks is welcomed," he said.


The desire to prevent fish being dumped in the forests throughout the Alberni Valley is not only driven by fragile salmon stocks, but also by the impact such attractants have on other wildlife.


Bears are a primary source of concern as they feed on the remains of the salmon. That's not only dangerous for those enjoying the bush, but also for the bears. It leads to habituation and more importantly, when the waste is dumped roadside, to animal-vehicle collisions.

© Copyright (c) The Victoria Times Colonist

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Just disgusting!! We all know who is to blame for this, and this not the first time. Something has to done, DFO is not doing their jobs!
 
Well ironoggin I gather from your use of the large font in block style that you would like to shout your message to me to embarass me eh ?
I watched it on TV and am disgusted along with a lot of other people , I gather you think I defend this type of action ? well you are wrong all I want is the parties regardless of their cultural background to be caught and punished , if I question why the DFO has not done anything it is a plausible question and doesn't deserve ridicule , I have no idea where the road is where the dump occurred but I gather it is on reserve land ?
Therefore I guess the test of probabilities makes it a FN action then ?
Too bad someone did not get a picture of the idiots doing the dump !

AL
 
Hey alley cat,
I guess we all know that no sport fisherman would be dumping 50-60 sockeye..first they would need 15 people on the boat to legally get that many fish..and I would think that these sport fisherman would VERY GLADLY take home their 4 fish each......I know my fishing partners do.

So that leave the commercial gillnetter or seiners or First Nations to be dumping fish to rot....
I am 100% sure you would not see a commercial Gill or Seiner dumping fish in the ditch.......
So you figure it out!
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yes...not too cool! :(

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islandgirl ........ what did I say in the last part of my answer ?
"Therefore the test of ........" can you understand my inference or do you also need to ridicule and posture too ?

AL
 
I concur, disgusting about sums it up....and greed knows no cultural borders.

I have no issues with a FN fishery for food and ceremonial purposes, but there needs to be a central control mechanism in place to allocate a specific number of fish to each band member until a reasonable quota is filled. That way there would be no opportunity for over fishing and sales of salmon to "whities".

The other thing that should be in place is a heavy fine, say $5,000 (mandatory with no discretion afforded to a judge to reduce it) for anyone who is caught purchasing FN food fish. If you dry up the market and there is no demand, then the problem of over fishing stops with it.

Perhaps too simple, and if there was a real interest on DFO to stop the illegal sales of FN food fish we would have done it a long, long time ago. The real problem is DFO would rather look the other way and hope the problem goes away much like they did while managing the East Coast Cod Fishery into the toilet.

So there you go, one man's twisted view of the issue.
 
quote:Originally posted by alley cat

Well ironoggin I gather from your use of the large font in block style that you would like to shout your message to me to embarass me eh ?

More of a response to your initial posts on this topic wherein you basically cried BS regarding the discussion of certain fishing activities, then went further to suggest that we (and others) were "part of the problem" for not officially reporting such. You see, we have played this game for considerable time, we HAVE</u> reported findings regarding both fishing practices and dumping in the past - all to no avail. So no, not really meant to embarrass, more to counter your stated position in these matters.

quote:I gather you think I defend this type of action ?

I was hoping not, and didn't really think so. But I did have a concern with the seeming attitude if it ain't legally recorded (as you defined it), it ain't really happening.

quote: if I question why the DFO has not done anything it is a plausible question and doesn't deserve ridicule

The same question we here have asked frequently in the past, and again today. In this particular case, there is no real way to identify the individuals involved, as there were no witnesses. One generally assumes that caution is taken specifically to ensure there are no eyes about when such occurrences happen. DFO requires the same information as any enforcement body does to make an arrest and see that through to conviction. In most cases here, that is extremely difficult to collect. But again, simply because charges haven't been laid does not mean these incidents are not occurring.

quote:Therefore I guess the test of probabilities makes it a FN action then ?

I believe so. However there is no proof. While it is likely that was the source, it is equally as unlikely that anyone will ever be brought to task for this flagrant abuse. However, now the matter has been made rather public - both TV and newspapers carrying the story, and fairly wide distribution on the net. More awareness hopefully means more folks keeping an eye out, and perhaps, just perhaps, that will one day result in the perps, whomever they are, being held to account.

And while this incident does tend to paint local FN's with a tarnished brush, methinks that is not the point. Abusers are abusers regardless of their genetic background, and can of course be found in every society of two-legs that walk the planet. This isn't the action of a FN society, rather the action of an individual(s) who obviously has no respect for the resource. I know that the FN society here is upset and troubled by this matter, and are indeed working alongside DFO in an attempt to culminate such disturbing actions, regardless of who might be performing them.

Cheers,
Nog
 
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