G Gordon
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I hear ya and I agree with you. However maybe you should try talking to the mainlander MPsI think its interesting to post thoughts on this forum, however without actions those are hollow. There are fairly easy and positive actions each of us as concerned recreational anglers can take that will make a difference.
First, take a moment to reach out to your local MP and seek a brief 15 minute meeting with them and let them know how the existing SRKW management measures and the new proposed measures are impacting you - ask for their help taking your concerns to Ottawa. That is why they were elected as your representatives - get their help representing you.
Current Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canada
Current Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canadawww.ourcommons.ca
Second, take a few minutes to write to DFO in this current and very brief consultation period - let them know your concerns regarding the existing SRKW measures, the proposed measures. Even better, ask them to remove the existing measures and replace those with Adaptive Management Measures such as a 400m Avoidance Zone that has clear enforceable penalties to backstop and shift on-water behaviours of vessel operators of ALL type (recreational and Whale Watching).
As many of us know, whale foraging and use of the environment is highly variable an unpredictable - thus fixed spatial measures such as fishing closures afford little protection when whales are not in those areas and further impact unnecessarily social and economic benefits the recreational fishery provide to Canada. Mobile strategies that apply everywhere whales travel and at all times are far more impactful protection, while achieving a critical balance between protection and socio-economic benefits to Canada.
I would go even further, and let DFO know that many Chinook stocks in the key forage areas SRKW utilize while here in BC waters are showing dramatic if not historic recovery - East Vancouver Island +236%; West Vancouver Island +32%; Fraser +45% - Source PSF Spawner Abundance published in State of Salmon Report. Moreover, a recent study from UBC provides growing insights to the effect of significant South Coast Chinook abundance proving the urban myth that prey availability is a contributor to SRKW recovery .
Saygili & Trites 2024 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0311388
Research suggests the prey abundance limitations on SRKW recovery more likely than not take place in US waters
“Our findings do not negate the hypothesis that southern residents are thinner on average than northern resident killer whales because they are not consuming enough prey [70]. Rather, they suggest that southern resident killer whales are no less food-limited than northern resident killer whales during summer, and any food shortage that might be occurring is happening elsewhere or at other times of the year.”
“Thus, our assessments of Chinook densities in the Salish Sea in 2020, along with those from 2018–2019 [5], suggest that southern resident killer whales are not food-limited in the Salish Sea—and that their low numbers and apparent low carrying capacity reflects lower prey abundances further south in Oregon or California.”
While the deadline for input to DFO is October 31, they will not be providing recommendations to the Fisheries Minister until Mid November and even then, do not expect the Minister will be making a decision until at least February - so there is still time to act now. Start with an email to DFO at:
DFO.SRKW-ERS.MPA@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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I strongly believe part of the solutions here are every one of us taking the time and personal accountability to take action to support the future of our fishery rather than wait around for someone else to step in. A number of us from the SFI and BCWF just returned from a week in Ottawa meeting with a number of MP's, Minister etc. doing exactly what you suggest. Deep and productive conversations with decision makers to help them understand our fisheries concerns. MP's who have already had visits or meeting requests have noticed, and are taking your concerns forward as your elected representatives - as they should in the political process. Engage them to work for you, they are good people who need help getting better informed regarding our key fishery issues.I hear ya and I agree with you. However maybe you should try talking to the mainlander MPs. It's not nice. They are part of the problem!
I would like to write to DFO as you've suggested, but I am admittedly not overly informed on the issue or what the science says myself. Really about SRKW conservation measures specifically, or general chinook conservation strategies. I'm not completely ignorant - I know the main talking points and I read all of these threads, but it would be nice to do a bit of deeper reading myself so I can arrive at those conclusions directly. A little overwhelming to know where to start though, and what bias may be at play in any particular source, or by extension what sources DFO would consider credible. If I take the time to write an email or meet with an MP, I'd like to have an idea what I'm talking about, and have a stronger argument than "I read on the internet...". Other than a few of the sources you already mentioned, what would you suggest are the best sources of non-biased, science based real data on this issue?I think its interesting to post thoughts on this forum, however without actions those are hollow. There are fairly easy and positive actions each of us as concerned recreational anglers can take that will make a difference.
First, take a moment to reach out to your local MP and seek a brief 15 minute meeting with them and let them know how the existing SRKW management measures and the new proposed measures are impacting you - ask for their help taking your concerns to Ottawa. That is why they were elected as your representatives - get their help representing you.
Current Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canada
Current Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canadawww.ourcommons.ca
Second, take a few minutes to write to DFO in this current and very brief consultation period - let them know your concerns regarding the existing SRKW measures, the proposed measures. Even better, ask them to remove the existing measures and replace those with Adaptive Management Measures such as a 400m Avoidance Zone that has clear enforceable penalties to backstop and shift on-water behaviours of vessel operators of ALL type (recreational and Whale Watching).
As many of us know, whale foraging and use of the environment is highly variable an unpredictable - thus fixed spatial measures such as fishing closures afford little protection when whales are not in those areas and further impact unnecessarily social and economic benefits the recreational fishery provide to Canada. Mobile strategies that apply everywhere whales travel and at all times are far more impactful protection, while achieving a critical balance between protection and socio-economic benefits to Canada.
I would go even further, and let DFO know that many Chinook stocks in the key forage areas SRKW utilize while here in BC waters are showing dramatic if not historic recovery - East Vancouver Island +236%; West Vancouver Island +32%; Fraser +45% - Source PSF Spawner Abundance published in State of Salmon Report. Moreover, a recent study from UBC provides growing insights to the effect of significant South Coast Chinook abundance proving the urban myth that prey availability is a contributor to SRKW recovery .
Saygili & Trites 2024 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0311388
Research suggests the prey abundance limitations on SRKW recovery more likely than not take place in US waters
“Our findings do not negate the hypothesis that southern residents are thinner on average than northern resident killer whales because they are not consuming enough prey [70]. Rather, they suggest that southern resident killer whales are no less food-limited than northern resident killer whales during summer, and any food shortage that might be occurring is happening elsewhere or at other times of the year.”
“Thus, our assessments of Chinook densities in the Salish Sea in 2020, along with those from 2018–2019 [5], suggest that southern resident killer whales are not food-limited in the Salish Sea—and that their low numbers and apparent low carrying capacity reflects lower prey abundances further south in Oregon or California.”
While the deadline for input to DFO is October 31, they will not be providing recommendations to the Fisheries Minister until Mid November and even then, do not expect the Minister will be making a decision until at least February - so there is still time to act now. Start with an email to DFO at:
DFO.SRKW-ERS.MPA@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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raincoast is at it again:
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A window for survival: Act now to protect Chinook and save Southern Residents | Raincoast
A ‘’whale safe” window can help this endangered population.www.raincoast.org
I would recommend using but hijacking their template to tell the MPs/DFO enuff is enuff instead..
I think its interesting to post thoughts on this forum, however without actions those are hollow. There are fairly easy and positive actions each of us as concerned recreational anglers can take that will make a difference.
First, take a moment to reach out to your local MP and seek a brief 15 minute meeting with them and let them know how the existing SRKW management measures and the new proposed measures are impacting you - ask for their help taking your concerns to Ottawa. That is why they were elected as your representatives - get their help representing you.
Current Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canada
Current Members of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canadawww.ourcommons.ca
Second, take a few minutes to write to DFO in this current and very brief consultation period - let them know your concerns regarding the existing SRKW measures, the proposed measures. Even better, ask them to remove the existing measures and replace those with Adaptive Management Measures such as a 400m Avoidance Zone that has clear enforceable penalties to backstop and shift on-water behaviours of vessel operators of ALL type (recreational and Whale Watching).
As many of us know, whale foraging and use of the environment is highly variable an unpredictable - thus fixed spatial measures such as fishing closures afford little protection when whales are not in those areas and further impact unnecessarily social and economic benefits the recreational fishery provide to Canada. Mobile strategies that apply everywhere whales travel and at all times are far more impactful protection, while achieving a critical balance between protection and socio-economic benefits to Canada.
I would go even further, and let DFO know that many Chinook stocks in the key forage areas SRKW utilize while here in BC waters are showing dramatic if not historic recovery - East Vancouver Island +236%; West Vancouver Island +32%; Fraser +45% - Source PSF Spawner Abundance published in State of Salmon Report. Moreover, a recent study from UBC provides growing insights to the effect of significant South Coast Chinook abundance proving the urban myth that prey availability is a contributor to SRKW recovery .
Saygili & Trites 2024 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0311388
Research suggests the prey abundance limitations on SRKW recovery more likely than not take place in US waters
“Our findings do not negate the hypothesis that southern residents are thinner on average than northern resident killer whales because they are not consuming enough prey [70]. Rather, they suggest that southern resident killer whales are no less food-limited than northern resident killer whales during summer, and any food shortage that might be occurring is happening elsewhere or at other times of the year.”
“Thus, our assessments of Chinook densities in the Salish Sea in 2020, along with those from 2018–2019 [5], suggest that southern resident killer whales are not food-limited in the Salish Sea—and that their low numbers and apparent low carrying capacity reflects lower prey abundances further south in Oregon or California.”
While the deadline for input to DFO is October 31, they will not be providing recommendations to the Fisheries Minister until Mid November and even then, do not expect the Minister will be making a decision until at least February - so there is still time to act now. Start with an email to DFO at:
DFO.SRKW-ERS.MPA@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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Aside from booking an appointment with your MP, everyone should take a few minutes to write to DFO to provide your input. The email address is:
DFO.SRKW-ERS.MPO@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
You have until October 31 to send in your input - so time to act is now. IMO people should be asking DFO to remove the existing fixed or static fishery closures and sanctuaries. Instead, recommend implementation of an Adaptive Management Measure - 400m Avoidance Zone. To ensure optimal effectiveness in protection for whales, adoption by vessel operators, encourage improved on-water due diligence in spotting whales and avoiding them. There should be a set of escalating fines to backstop the 400m avoidance zone. First offence would be a written warning which indicates next offence results in a very significant fine. Also to backstop this measure, there should be a requirement for people fishing to upon observing whales within the 400m avoidance zone, to immediately cease fishing and slowly move 1000m away from the location where whales have been observed.
This approach would provide better protection for whales everywhere and at all times they are in B.C. waters, while achieving a critical balance between protection and socio-economic optimization.
Here is a quote I pulled right out of the above Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences article above that wildmanyeah posted. Written by 3 Scientists, one of which most of us know, Andrew Trites , Marine Mammal Research Unit/UBC. Mei Sato from same dept at UBC and the 3rd is a Fisheries and Oceans Biologist in Sidney BC/ University of Victoria.
"Contrary to expectations, we found that both killer whale habitats had patchy distributions of prey that did not differ in their frequencies of occurrence, nor in the size compositions of individual fish. However, the density of fish within each patch was 4–6 times higher in the southern resident killer whale habitat. These findings do not support the hypothesis that southern resident killer whales are experiencing a prey shortage in the Salish Sea during summer and suggest a combination of other factors is affecting overall foraging success"
This is a 2021 finding however the information seems to be no different now. The conclusion that "A combination of factors is affecting overall foraging success" is obviously broad and vague conclusion so I think the short answer is they don't know for sure - but its not lack of food source. Interesting to me is that the SRKW spend most of the year down south in the USA waters. They are only in our waters about 3-4 months. Andrew Trites has pointed out in interviews and a talk I attended at UBC that the SRKW arrive back into BC in the spring/summer looking thinner and emaciated so the health issues may not even be caused by something in our BC waters.
As others have pointed out this is the argument to DFO and our politicians - How can DFO ignore science and get away with it ? There simply should be no SRKW area fishing closures at all. Especially fishing closures that do nothing for SRKW and yet severely damage the fishing businesses and the economy that fishing brings to the province. SRKW fishing closure areas are implemented by DFO simply to appease ENGO's complaining about fishing in BC. Recreational/public fishing is an easy target because we don't have a large organized voice nor have the funding backing like ENGO's do.
The general public lacks the needed education on the facts regarding the SRKW issue to understand the SRKW situation. Those that are funding ENGO's will mostly have no idea of the scientific research that proves SRKW are not having health issues because recreational fishing is causing the SRKW lack of food. ENGO's ignore the science because the truth is boring and doesn't garner funding. For goodness sakes DFO/Gov also ignores science when it doesn't fit their agenda.
And if ENGO's and DFO/GOV think recreational fishing from our small boats create noise and other actions that interfere with SRKW foraging .... but its ok for freighters, ferries, commercial vessels and other non fishing recreational boats like whale watchers to continue with their activities in the SRKW area fishing closure areas then I have lost complete faith in the whole process of helping the SRKW.