Vancouver Saltwater Fishing deal.

[Last Chance]

A lot of good points here. The $55 for fuel simply assumes I zip out to the local salmon honey hole for winters, it's very close. I've done the "cheap trip special",and found it got me mostly a bunch of guys getting a cheap trip, and then only seeing them again on the next guys boat who does the cheapie.

Pro guiding is very hard work, very costly, and at the best of times, somewhat rewarding. Each to their own I suppose.

Last Chance Fishing Adventures

www.lastchancefishingadventures.com
www.swiftsurebank.com

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by LastChance

A lot of good points here. The $55 for fuel simply assumes I zip out to the local salmon honey hole for winters, it's very close. I've done the "cheap trip special",and found it got me mostly a bunch of guys getting a cheap trip, and then only seeing them again on the next guys boat who does the cheapie.

Pro guiding is very hard work, very costly, and at the best of times, somewhat rewarding. Each to their own I suppose.

Last Chance Fishing Adventures

www.lastchancefishingadventures.com
www.swiftsurebank.com

I would NEVER play the "no fish no pay" game, especially this time of year down here! I consider myself a fairly good fisherman and the last three times out I have: No hits, No runs, and No errors.

I did try everything in my bag, but the fish just where not there! And, no bait that showed on my sounder.

Charlie

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by Sitkaspruce

Who cares what he is trying to do????

It is his own business and if he wants to offer a great day of fishing at a cheaper $$$$ than his normal price, then who is anyone to complain or question him? He is, after all, a small business person trying to keep his head above water in this trying time, and he is doing it his way.

Do we complain when a business puts fishing gear on sale for a cheaper $$$ than the original?? Hell no, we take advantage of it and go buy it, most of the time when we do not really need it...

As to the original question, sounds like a great deal to get out on the water and maybe put a few in the freezer. Not a bad idea in the off season.

Cheers

SS

Exactly. It's a great deal and that's all there is to say. I'm sure anyone who takes them up on the deal will be satisfied or more than satisfied.

April offers up some of the BEST fishing around in Vancouer for 8-20 lb feeders. There's even a few larger fish around as well. Last April there were some days where we were hooking 6 or more 10 plus pounders per boat (for 20 boats) without trying too hard --and given the awesome scenery around Vancouver combined with some action, you can't go wrong even if the fishing is "off" that day.

 

[Brisco]

I'm curious, how many local Vancouver charter guys are full time?
Can a full time charter business even make a living locally?

 

[Striper Sniper]

All I can say is, fishing must be slow........... SS

 

[wolf]

What about the boat payment you have to factor that in as well as I now some charter guys paying up to 1200 a month on a loan for there boat now put that into the mix or even 6 or 7 hundred now your working for about 10 to 15 bucks an hour I would assume.

Basically what Kelly has said $289 bucks its even higher as you have to include bottom paint, downriggers all rods reels line hooks etc etc etc then you have your truck,trailer matenence on your truck,traler,boat stuff you buy over the year as these "things" are somewhat hidden.

When you factor it all in yes you do make money but not as much as what you all think!!!!!!!

Wolf

Blue Wolf Charters
www.bluewolfcharters.com

 

[scott craven]

Oh come on Wolf, we all know you're a freakin' millionaire !!



just kiddin' there big guy

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by r.s craven

Oh come on Wolf, we all know you're a freakin' millionaire !!

Wow...there's certainly a lot of negativity on this board about the costs of running a charter business and profit margins.

Based on the math of people who have posted on this thread, if you charter 100 days a year expenses are ranging from $28900 to $35000. I think that's unrealistically high.

Anyways, obviously everyone has way too much time on their hands to debate the costs of running a charter business instead of actually doing business. Maybe if we all put more effort into running our business we'd all make more money????

Hmmmmmm...

At any rate, there are no guides who make a living purely chartering full time in Vancouver. It's ruff and tuff and it's not for glamour or guts or vanity. There's a reason there are just 4 to 5 firms left who pick up the charters from the original 20 plus firms. Of the remaining 4 or 5, some are firms who "rebirthed" the company from ashes and are "dying flames" themselves. Those who have tried to start up have soon found out they were snuffed out and they never even had a chance.

There's a lot of negative publicity about fisheries in the Lower Mainland and fishing is not a staple of recreation as it once was.

So..anyways...enough ranting and "bench fishing" from me.

Has anyone see the latest 2009 Salmon Outlook for BC yet?

 

[wolf]

Hey i never knocked the guy if he can whatever thats him but I personally am not going to work for 8 to 10 bucks an hour to make a living and most of you on here wont as well ill do something else.
thats all if you are going to run a business be it fishing,delivery guy, taxi or whatever you do that involves a form of transportation.
you have to put money aside for the worst case scenerio because if you dont you will loose it all. when and if something does happen.

Wolf

Blue Wolf Charters
www.bluewolfcharters.com

 

[SerengetiGuide]

With us our gas alone is $250-$300 a day...we usually are looking at $400 a day fishing costs, then accommodations and food for our guests. So it adds up...when all is said and done, insurance, boat payments etc etc, I calculated about a 40% take home...give or take.

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

With us our gas alone is $250-$300 a day...we usually are looking at $400 a day fishing costs, then accommodations and food for our guests. So it adds up...when all is said and done, insurance, boat payments etc etc, I calculated about a 40% take home...give or take.

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

Twin 250's are thirsty any way you look at it. Vancouver folk are lucky...just 2 to 3 miles and you're fishing! Depending on where you're moored, it could be 1.5 miles to the point you drop your lines. In the case of Horseshoe Bay, drop your lines off the dock and start trolling behind the Ferries up to Sunset Beach...June and July are like that. In September, all you have to do is run 10 minutes and you're fishing West Vancouver!

How far are you running Serenget?

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by Charlie

As I stated, I am glad to see there are idiots on both sides of the border… for awhile I thought they were all on this side?

Okay Charlie......you obviously want someone to ask; so why does this thread show some people as idiots 'north of the 49th'??

 

[richmake]

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

With us our gas alone is $250-$300 a day...we usually are looking at $400 a day fishing costs, then accommodations and food for our guests. So it adds up...when all is said and done, insurance, boat payments etc etc, I calculated about a 40% take home...give or take.

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

Twin 250's are thirsty any way you look at it. Vancouver folk are lucky...just 2 to 3 miles and you're fishing! Depending on where you're moored, it could be 1.5 miles to the point you drop your lines. In the case of Horseshoe Bay, drop your lines off the dock and start trolling behind the Ferries up to Sunset Beach...June and July are like that. In September, all you have to do is run 10 minutes and you're fishing West Vancouver!

How far are you running Serenget?


Not far at all just over to Duval or Castle....sorry I had to answer this one...

www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

 

[richmake]

quote:Originally posted by richmake

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

With us our gas alone is $250-$300 a day...we usually are looking at $400 a day fishing costs, then accommodations and food for our guests. So it adds up...when all is said and done, insurance, boat payments etc etc, I calculated about a 40% take home...give or take.

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

Twin 250's are thirsty any way you look at it. Vancouver folk are lucky...just 2 to 3 miles and you're fishing! Depending on where you're moored, it could be 1.5 miles to the point you drop your lines. In the case of Horseshoe Bay, drop your lines off the dock and start trolling behind the Ferries up to Sunset Beach...June and July are like that. In September, all you have to do is run 10 minutes and you're fishing West Vancouver!

How far are you running Serenget?

Not far at all just over to Duval or Castle....sorry I had to answer this one...


www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

 

[richmake]

quote:Originally posted by Charlie

As I stated, I am glad to see there are idiots on both sides of the border… for awhile I thought they were all on this side?

We may be idiots although I doubt it very much...alot of us are successful and educated.
What I can tell you is for 12 weeks a year...I live one hell of a fun and successful guide business and I love every minute of it...
You gotta love it first, and love it even more second!
Anyhow...I'm going back to "bench fishing" for the next few months...


www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

 

[SerengetiGuide]

Like Rich said, close for the salmon...run a ways for halibut and bottomfish...but most guys have to do that anyway no matter where you are on the coast...it's mainly due to the twin 250's.

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

 

[richmake]

Twins are thirsty...but not like you think...
My twins burn the same as a 200hp 2 stroke merc....no comparison for client comfort and class of boat...
When you run a boat like Serengeti does...it's a step up and people are willing to pay for it.


www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

 

[tofinofish]

A lot of interesting dialogue on this topic....

It is pretty obvious that certain businesses are able to offer their product at very competitive rates based on location and overhead, whether you are selling widgets or Fishing Charters....
This topic seems to have stimulated a lot of guys to look closer at their base costs, while others know them off the top of their heads.
I feel that I know my thresholds for 2 of my 3 businesses very well, and charter sale prices can only go so low for me.

By saying this, there will always be some businesses that think they have the numbers worked out, and Surprise.. when the dust settles, they wonder where the profit margin/cash flow leaked out of the program....?

In years when there is less "cream on the top" to share (possibly like this year) and a flaw in the business plan, out go the knees and in comes the banker on weaker businesses. I am not saying this in any regards to Bon Chovey's plans, but it will happen to a few around us up and down the coast.

Jay

www.tofinofishing.com