umerous FED cutbacks effect our fish.

[DHA]

Certainly the latest FED bulletin to LAW enforcement be they, DFO, Boarder, RCMP, Coastguard, all will in some way affect our fishing resources. Hhmmm, what to do or say, it all simply flows south, and the front line boys just whither away in a slow and ominous bureaucratic death. What next? well we all know that hatcheries need help, and if LAW gets less, so will enhancement! Don't kid yourself. Stock assessment is praying for strong ocean survival and favorable weather. The most interesting info to break as of late, is stock control or manipulation, an experiment during the past three years along the west-coast & East cast portions of Vancouver Island, in partnership with US and Canada. Migration manipulation is real and happening all along the pacific coast from southern California to the gulf of Alaska. Both US and Canadian technology pat pend are in use in a five year project. things that make you go Hhmmm.

DHA.

 

[FishBC.org]

Certainly the latest FED bulletin to LAW enforcement be they, DFO, Boarder, RCMP, Coastguard, all will in some way affect our fishing resources. Hhmmm, what to do or say, it all simply flows south, and the front line boys just whither away in a slow and ominous bureaucratic death. What next? well we all know that hatcheries need help, and if LAW gets less, so will enhancement! Don't kid yourself. Stock assessment is praying for strong ocean survival and favorable weather. The most interesting info to break as of late, is stock control or manipulation, an experiment during the past three years along the west-coast & East cast portions of Vancouver Island, in partnership with US and Canada. Migration manipulation is real and happening all along the pacific coast from southern California to the gulf of Alaska. Both US and Canadian technology pat pend are in use in a five year project. things that make you go Hhmmm.

DHA.

So what you're saying then is that you're a front liner, and you're in agreement of alot of what we're saying but you're powerless to stop the big bureaucratic money making machine that is now employing new techniques to control migration to ensure the commies take more fish for both the American and Canadian Govt's in turn who make more money from sales? Are sporties then, to become a thing of the past if these two Govt's have their way?? I may have misread this but I don't think I did, and if it's true, then we are certainly all screwed, and everything presented to us as sport fisheries then is lies, and fraudulent rolling right down all the way from the federal Govt. It's like playing GOD when you mess with the fish. The same as what was done in forestry. No one stopped to take a look until they could see giant clear cuts from space. Where's the forest industry at now? In shambles with most smaller contractors bankrupt, and only the big contractors left... Sacrifice many to please a few.... This appears the same way our fisheries management is going... So Jimmy ultimately gets all the fish?.

 

[Englishman]

Certainly the latest FED bulletin to LAW enforcement be they, DFO, Boarder, RCMP, Coastguard, all will in some way affect our fishing resources. Hhmmm, what to do or say, it all simply flows south, and the front line boys just whither away in a slow and ominous bureaucratic death. What next? well we all know that hatcheries need help, and if LAW gets less, so will enhancement! Don't kid yourself. Stock assessment is praying for strong ocean survival and favorable weather. The most interesting info to break as of late, is stock control or manipulation, an experiment during the past three years along the west-coast & East cast portions of Vancouver Island, in partnership with US and Canada. Migration manipulation is real and happening all along the pacific coast from southern California to the gulf of Alaska. Both US and Canadian technology pat pend are in use in a five year project. things that make you go Hhmmm.

DHA.

What does "migration manipulation" mean? The way this post is worded it sounds like a claim that "someone" is manipulating the fish migrations in the ocean. This is obviously nonsense and a conspiracy theory if ever I heard one. Like the government is controlling the weather or sending mind control vibrations down from the clouds. LOL
A quick Google shows there is no such technology ...but of course conspiracies like this are always secret and involve the complicity of hundreds if not thousands of people....LMAO

 

[FishBC.org]

What does "migration manipulation" mean? The way this post is worded it sounds like a claim that "someone" is manipulating the fish migrations in the ocean. This is obviously nonsense and a conspiracy theory if ever I heard one. Like the government is controlling the weather or sending mind control vibrations down from the clouds. LOL
A quick Google shows there is no such technology ...but of course conspiracies like this are always secret and involve the complicity of hundreds if not thousands of people....LMAO

Actually there is some truth to this. I read something science wise quite some time ago, and there is the technology to alter migration paths. I just can't recall how it's done. I'm going to try and dig up some information on the subject.

Appears the Japanese are also using and employing this technique.

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200104/000020010400A0977539.php

 

[Charlie]

Actually there is some truth to this. I read something science wise quite some time ago, and there is the technology to alter migration paths. I just can't recall how it's done. I'm going to try and dig up some information on the subject.

There is actually more truth in the governments controlling the weather, the U.S. started doing some of that years ago. As far as mind control, I can relate that to with all the "propaganda" released. You give me DFO's budget I can convince most "the moon is made of green cheese." The "migration manipulation"... Sorry, no one even knows how a salmon really navigates the migration route it decides to take. To change a migration route, it would more have to with changing ocean conditions. They can (and have) changed the homing implanting, which will change a salmons return to a certain spawning ground, but that is about it!

 

[lorneparker1]

So what you're saying then is that you're a front liner, and you're in agreement of alot of what we're saying but you're powerless to stop the big bureaucratic money making machine that is now employing new techniques to control migration to ensure the commies take more fish for both the American and Canadian Govt's in turn who make more money from sales? Are sporties then, to become a thing of the past if these two Govt's have their way?? I may have misread this but I don't think I did, and if it's true, then we are certainly all screwed, and everything presented to us as sport fisheries then is lies, and fraudulent rolling right down all the way from the federal Govt. It's like playing GOD when you mess with the fish. The same as what was done in forestry. No one stopped to take a look until they could see giant clear cuts from space. Where's the forest industry at now? In shambles with most smaller contractors bankrupt, and only the big contractors left... Sacrifice many to please a few.... This appears the same way our fisheries management is going... So Jimmy ultimately gets all the fish?.

Ding Dong, bountyville bounty, DHA all the same

 

[FishBC.org]

True that would make more sense, although reading this stuff on the actual japanese studies are both fascinating and very scary. At current time changing ocean temps would likely have the most bearing absolutely, and that is easily achieved. I could see this being used as a way to move species where they wished. Seems more likely something they are employing today if anything, rather than manipulation of the actual run, BUT The studies they are doing could lead to a disastrous future for us however if they do manage to manipulate entire runs to wherever they want them to go using science. That's scary. I'm betting Canada, and the US, and certainly looking at this to ensure globally marketed food fish end up at market for the $$

Seems a bonnyville post.. Thanks for the heads up Lorne.

 

[Englishman]

Actually there is some truth to this. I read something science wise quite some time ago, and there is the technology to alter migration paths. I just can't recall how it's done. I'm going to try and dig up some information on the subject.

Appears the Japanese are also using and employing this technique.

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200104/000020010400A0977539.php

FishBC.org we need to define some terms here. The Japanese paper deals with some subtle biochemical manipulation of the organs in some individual salmon thought to be involved with migration and homing. That is a far cry from controlling when, to where, and in what numbers millions of salmon migrate to their spawning rivers. As Charlie says that would not only imply a far greater understanding of how salmon migration actually works, and it would also involve manipulation of the weather, ocean temperatures and currents, locations of feed fish, and river flows, all on a vast scale. That is impossible period and anyone who says it is does not know their science.

 

[Englishman]

There is actually more truth in the governments controlling the weather, the U.S. started doing some of that years ago. As far as mind control, I can relate that to with all the "propaganda" released. You give me DFO's budget I can convince most "the moon is made of green cheese." The "migration manipulation"... Sorry, no one even knows how a salmon really navigates the migration route it decides to take. To change a migration route, it would more have to with changing ocean conditions. They can (and have) changed the homing implanting, which will change a salmons return to a certain spawning ground, but that is about it!

Charlie, gotta challenge your first statement here. Again, we need to define some terms. Seeding a few clouds is not controlling the weather. Most people do not realise how much energy is stored in entire weather systems. Hurricanes contain more energy than several hundred H-bombs, so we cannot even deflect one onto a new path, let alone dissipate or extinguish it. Weather forces powered by the sun act on a vast global scale, as do winds, ocean currents, and tides. Talk of controlling the weather is akin to controlling the precession of the earth's rotation to alter the seasons!! The stuff of conspiracy theorists and dreamers, but no basis in reality.....

 

[Charlie]

Charlie, gotta challenge your first statement here. Again, we need to define some terms. Seeding a few clouds is not controlling the weather. Most people do not realise how much energy is stored in entire weather systems. Hurricanes contain more energy than several hundred H-bombs, so we cannot even deflect one onto a new path, let alone dissipate or extinguish it. Weather forces powered by the sun act on a vast global scale, as do winds, ocean currents, and tides. Talk of controlling the weather is akin to controlling the precession of the earth's rotation to alter the seasons!! The stuff of conspiracy theorists and dreamers, but no basis in reality.....

Don't lose the, "There is actually more truth in the governments controlling the weather, the U.S. started doing some of that years ago." Not saying anyone can control the weather, but only there "might" actually be more truth in that statement than any government controlling the salmons migration routes! At least more than some are aware? Look up "Operation Popeye"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye

 

[FishBC.org]

Don't lose the, "There is actually more truth in the governments controlling the weather, the U.S. started doing some of that years ago." Not saying anyone can control the weather, but only there "might" actually be more truth in that statement than any government controlling the salmons migration routes! At least more than some are aware? Look up "Operation Popeye"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye

HAARP?

Englishman, I know what you're saying. All I am saying is that they are dabbling, and if they figure it out, and map what controls their homing, the results in the end could be manipulated to whatever benefits the money men the most correct?
It's early yet, but they are certainly trying to figure it out I am sure to benefit commercial interests.

 

[Englishman]

Understood Charlie. But this is still cloud seeding that I mentioned. This is a form of augmentation or acceleration, not weather control as I understand it. Defining terms is the issue here...
I find the claims in the article for how much the monsoon season was enhanced by this technique a little "out there" too. How do they know how long the season would have been or how much rainfall there would have been that year, in the absence of cloud seeding? That is the trouble with experiments in the environment, there is no control experiment in a parallel earth somewhere to compare it with, so that all other variables can be eliminated.

 

[Fish Assassin]

Ding Dong, bountyville bounty, DHA all the same

You missed RVP and Unknown.

 

[DHA]

DHA, RVP, UNKOWN, that's all folks!

 

[Englishman]

HAARP?

Englishman, I know what you're saying. All I am saying is that they are dabbling, and if they figure it out, and map what controls their homing, the results in the end could be manipulated to whatever benefits the money men the most correct?
It's early yet, but they are certainly trying to figure it out I am sure to benefit commercial interests.

FishBC.org, what is HAARP?
I agree that commercial interests will always try and make money out of any advance/discovery. However, as you say dabbling at the edges does not mean they can “manipulate migrations” in the fullest sense of the words. I still find that a bit science fiction.
The desire (or fear about) controlling everything speaks to mankind’s god power delusions. I mean why stop at fish? Why not control insect migrations, so that locust plagues can be averted? Why not control bird migrations to stop those pesky flyways getting in the way of aircraft traffic. All those ducks and water birds could be directed to the best lakes and ponds as thought “best” by mankind. Ducks Unlimited would love that! We could ensure the Caribou don’t migrate where we want oil pipelines!!
Fortunately, this god like direction of the world is forever beyond our powers. We can only destroy (or maybe help along a little bit) – we can never “control “ the complex environmental world.

 

[FishBC.org]

Hrrrm you probably gave the Govt a good idea there with controlling locust swarms.. Wipe out a country's food supply and you own that country. Don't kid yourself. Although a bit of a conspiracy theory, you can bet the super powers have investigated all of this similar to how they work with germ and biological warfare, gene manipulation and more.The world is a pretty scary place when you stop to consider that every country treats other country's as possibly hostile. *shrug* A bit off topic, but controlling the world's food supplies is much like controlling the oil.