Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer
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APPEAL DENIED
Court Challenge, Property Justice
Federal Court of Appeal Decision
Today we received the decision out of the Federal Court of Appeal on our long fight against the gun ban.
It’s bad news for Canadians for multiple reasons. It is the opinion of the judges that the “protections” in the Criminal Code to prevent the Governor in Counsel (GIC) from banning guns that are legitimate for hunting and sporting use, are irrelevant. Section 56 of the decision illustrates that the protection provision is subject to the whim of the GIC, who can change their mind at any time.
The decision is clear, the courts will not constrain the government’s overreach on this issue. This has negative implications on many aspects of the legal and legislative system in Canada.
Our legal team will be reviewing the decision in depth over the next while and will advise on next steps.
You can read the full decision below:
Federal Court of Appeal Decision - Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights
Today we received the decision out of the Federal Court of Appeal on our long fight against the gun ban. It’s bad news for Canadians for multiple reasons. It is the opinion of the judges that the “protections” in the Criminal Code to prevent the Governor in Counsel (GIC) from banning guns that...
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Liberal Party Promises to Ban Sale of Olympic Pistols to Olympic Shooters - PolySeSouvient
The Liberal Party also promises to complete key past commitments: (1) the long-awaited buyback of prohibited weapons, (2) find a solution with respect to the classification of the SKS, ... and close any loopholes regarding the Olympic exemption from the freeze on handgun sales.
https://polysesouvient.ca/Documents...wConference_AnalysisPartyActionsPositions.pdf
The Liberal Party also promises to complete key past commitments: (1) the long-awaited buyback of prohibited weapons, (2) find a solution with respect to the classification of the SKS, ... and close any loopholes regarding the Olympic exemption from the freeze on handgun sales.
https://polysesouvient.ca/Documents...wConference_AnalysisPartyActionsPositions.pdf
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A proud Canadian, BUT
This is only one thing that voters can't change no matter the level of government, scientific studies, common sense or outright illegality.
Makes you wonder what it would be like to be able vote on a change or even to be heard eh?
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On this one issue, Mark Carney sounds a lot like Justin Trudeau
Canada doesn’t have a gun-control problem. And Mark Carney should stop pretending it does.We do have a problem with gun crime, particularly in some of our larger cities. And we also have a problem with intimate-partner violence. These problems need attention and, critically, more resources. What they don’t need is more gun-control laws: everything that should be illegal already is, often several times over.
Yet we keep getting more gun-control laws. We also keep getting longer and longer lists of banned firearms — and, in classic Liberal “deliverology” style, ever-delayed deadlines by which they’re to be confiscated. It’s been five years since then-prime minister Justin Trudeau “banned” assault-style rifles, a totally made-up category, and not a single one has been taken from its owner under the so-called ban.
To riff on the Liberal terminology, that’s “leadership-style governance.” It sounds like leadership, but it doesn’t actually do anything.
Most gun offences in Canada are linked to organized crime and gangs, and most of the guns involved come from the United States via smuggling networks or, sometimes, drones. Every cop I’ve ever spoken to who has knowledge of the subject agrees that further cracking down on legal gun owners via our gun-control laws is futile. But the Liberals keep doing it, perhaps because they like announcing it. Half of me suspects that’s why they’ve never gotten around to actually seizing any guns: if they did, they’d have to stop talking about it. (The other half suspects they just haven’t been competent enough to do it.)
The fact is, most Canadians don’t know much about guns or our gun laws. They’re easy marks for shameless politicians.
But imagine if smugglers were bringing in huge quantities of some new form of booze, booze that was banned and/or tightly regulated here, and criminal groups were selling the smuggled booze and causing havoc. And imagine if the government responded by banning B.C. wines and raising the legal drinking age to 25 and making two pieces of ID mandatory at the LCBO.
You’d know that was absurd. You’d know that was the government just doing something to be seen to be doing something, even though it wouldn’t help.
That’s our past five years of gun control.
Gun control is important. I own firearms, and I have always complied fully with our gun laws, because I support the (theoretical) goal of keeping firearms away from criminals, the mentally unwell and anyone who might threaten another person. Because I support the laws and comply with them, I actually know what they are. That’s why I know that nothing the Liberals have proposed in the past five years has made any sense.
And it’s worse than that. The changes made in recent years have taken a once generally functional system and introduced absurdities to it. Describe a gun to me, and it’s even money if I can guess whether it’s banned or not.
There’s no logic behind any of this. Just vibes. Gun control is ostensibly about regulating the sale, possession and use of firearms by authorized individuals. Canada does that really well. What our gun-control system has become, though, is a machine that generates election ads for the Liberals.
Border security to clamp down on gun smuggling would keep Canadians safer. More resources to combat intimate-partner violence would keep Canadians safer. Every party should support such measures — and every party does.
But none of that is as exciting for the campaigning politician as announcing a new ban on thousands more rifles that the government will get around to collecting at some unknown future date. So that’s what we get.
That’s what we got for the last five years of Trudeau, anyway. There might briefly have been hope that Carney would do better. He’s already disavowed a number of Trudeau-era policies because they didn’t make sense. Gun control à la Trudeau should have been one of them.
But alas, it’s not to be. Indeed, Carney never sounds more like Trudeau than when he’s talking about guns.
Matt Gurney: On this one issue, Mark Carney sounds a lot like Justin Trudeau
Canada has a problem with gun crime, not gun control — and the Liberals should stop pretending otherwise.
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Gun control group urges PM Carney to ensure 'timely delivery' on firearm commitments
OTTAWA — A prominent gun control group is urging Prime Minister Mark Carney to swiftly implement Liberal election promises on firearms and avoid the foot-dragging that left many pledges under the previous government unfulfilled.In a letter to Carney, PolySeSouvient says the mandate for the next public safety minister should include a commitment to "timely delivery" of planned reforms, especially the buyback of banned firearms.
PolySeSouvient includes students and graduates of Montreal's École Polytechnique, where a gunman killed 14 women in 1989.
Since May 2020, the Liberal government has banned more than 2,500 varieties of what it calls assault-style firearms — semi-automatics with sustained rapid-fire capability.
During the recent election campaign, PolySeSouvient said Carney's Liberals were the ones most likely to bring in additional measures to prevent firearm-related violence.
Carney promised to implement an efficient buyback of banned guns and to ensure that classification of new firearm models entering the market is determined by the RCMP and not the gun industry. He also pledged to automatically revoke gun licences from people convicted of violent offences, increase the capacity to track down crime guns and toughen oversight of firearms licensing.
The Conservatives vowed to repeal Liberal measures the party sees as an attack on licensed, law-abiding hunters and sport shooters.
Government officials say some 19,000 unique makes and models of non-restricted firearms remain available for hunting or sport shooting in Canada.
PolySeSouvient's letter says "all the necessary conditions" are in place for Carney to meet Canadians' expectations on gun control.
"All that remains is to appoint a minister who is up to the task, along with a clear mandate," it says.
Carney is set to unveil his new cabinet Tuesday after securing a minority mandate in the April 28 election.
Nathalie Provost, who was shot at Polytechnique and has long worked with the group, ran successfully for the Liberals in a Quebec riding.
PolySeSouvient's letter, dated last Friday, is copied to others, including Provost, current Public Safety Minister David McGuinty and Rachel Bendayan, a former associate public safety minister.
The group says the new public safety minister should be directed to:
— build an incentive package in the buyback program to encourage early compliance;
— conduct meaningful consultations with stakeholders before draft bills, regulations, directives and public education campaigns are made public;
— immediately launch an investigation into the classification of the SKS, a rifle that has been used in mass and police shootings, to find a solution that protects public safety and respects Indigenous rights to hunt;
— eliminate all loopholes, exemptions and exceptions related to magazine capacity.
At the dissolution of Parliament in March, the Liberals were still implementing some elements of gun control legislation that had already received royal assent, including provisions to better respond to cases of firearm-related violence involving intimate partners and families.
PolySeSouvient has asked Carney to avoid a phenomenon it claims to have seen over the last decade — the watering-down of planned or adopted gun measures "through neglect or ineffective or counterproductive regulations."
The group says that legislation approved by Parliament includes a measure sought by gun control and women's groups for years — an automatic prohibition on firearms ownership for those subject to a protection order related to domestic violence or stalking.
But recently tabled enabling regulations arbitrarily exclude orders that are not civil in nature, such as peace bonds made under section 810 of the Criminal Code, PolySeSouvient says.
"This exemption is incomprehensible and illogical, in addition to being incompatible with the legislative intent and the letter of the law," the letter to Carney says. "The exclusion should be immediately removed."
This report by The Canadian Press was first published May 12, 2025.
Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press
